Mlk Was Republican

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FL_KING_BLACK_REPUBLICANS_FLOL-?SITE=FLPET&SECTION=HOME

 

[Boxlicker101]

I believe MLK was pretty much apolitical, at least in terms of party afiliation. However, it would seem certain that he would not have been a Democrat. It was members of the Dem. party that passed all the Jim Crow laws and kept the South rigidly segregated for so long.

 

[Oblimo]

It goes back to attempts to use the content of the I Have a Dream speech as evidence that MLKJr would be against affirmative action and government assistance in general. An affective argument--unless you bother to check your history and find out that MLKJr helped start affirmative action advocacy programs in the first place.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

The Democrats of that day are the Republicans of today. The two parties switched souls around 1964. Why does that fact keep getting left out?

 

[ishtat]

A misread

This shows how misreading one word can lead to very different expectations.

The word mlk occurs in the Hebrew bible (of course written in the Hebrew text).
mlk when translated into English had vowels added (there being none in ancient Hebrew script). It was then spelt and pronounced Moloch. However archaological work in Canaan has revealed that mlk was more usually not the name of an ancient god but the name of the sacrifice made to an ancient god . A typical (attempted) mlk sacrifice is described in Genesis 22.

The Deuteronomist writing in the 7th century BC frequently protested about mlk sacrifices being made in the temple of Yaweh.

It's is a strange and almost apposite coincidence when one contemplates the fate of Dr King.

Sorry for the threadjack. Carry on!

 

[Boxlicker101]

It goes back to attempts to use the content of the I Have a Dream speech as evidence that MLKJr would be against affirmative action and government assistance in general. An affective argument--unless you bother to check your history and find out that MLKJr helped start affirmative action advocacy programs in the first place.

This speech was made in August 1963, and I have no idea what the political registration of MLK was, if he was even a registered voter. The southern states, which were generally run by Dems. were strongly against Blacks being registered to vote, although MLK might have dared their wrath.

When it began, affirmative action was kind of an outreaching but, when that didn't produce the results that federal bureaucrats wanted, it degenerated into quotas, although those were the opposite of the goal of aa. I believe MLK would have strongly opposed hiring, etc. based on race. He certainly was known to do so. I also believe he would have opposed school busing as a waste of time and money that could be better spent improving all schools.

The article says that KKK membership was secretive, but that is not all that true. Many of the leaders, David Duke as an example, were well known, and they were almost always Dems. In the 1940's through the early 1960's, those who opposed integration in the South, Governors Wallace and Maddox to name two of the most notorious, were registered Dems.

The article mentions that Goldwater carried most southern states in 1964, which was true, but the members of Congress from there and the governors were almost all Dems. What I am saying, and I hate to find myself agreeing with Le Jaquelope here, is this: Until the early 1960's, Democrats were the staunchest supporters of segregation and Jim Crow laws. This being the case, I find it hard to believe thaty MLK would have been registered as a member of that party.

 

[S-Des]

The Democrats of that day are the Republicans of today. The two parties switched souls around 1964. Why does that fact keep getting left out?

Perhaps because of lack of accuracy?

 

[S-Des]

What party someone belonged to 45 years ago is so irrelevant, it begs the question why it would even occur to someone to bring up? It should be irrelevant today as well, but unfortunately people keep showing their prejudice and hypocrisies daily. Michael Steele (a successful, intelligent, well-educated black man) was defeated in his run for governor, but not by white people (the majority of whom voted for him)....but by blacks. Of course Steele is black and a Conservative (a no-no for black people, who are supposed to know their place by now ). Just like with any religion, zealots on the Left are more than happy to say hateful, bigoted things about anyone who crosses them (like calling Clarence Thomas or Secretary Rice racist names). They also attacked Conservative Greg Gutfeld who used to blog on HuffPo. He gave out hints that he was actually gay (although the truth is that he's straight and married), and when his blogs became increasingly more Conservative, he was attacked on the basis of his alleged sexuality by the very people who claim they're the ones trying to support it.

Anyone who believes that being in a certain political party puts you in with a more moral group of people is delusional. It is supposed to be about ideas, but since people are flawed, it usually comes down to being as hateful and vindictive as you feel you have to be to win your argument (of course all the time reassuring yourself that it's OK because what you believe is far superior to the other guy).

 

[sr71plt]

What party someone belonged to 45 years ago is so irrelevant, it begs the question why it would even occur to someone to bring up?

Why to get a rise, of course. That and nothing else.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Perhaps because of lack of accuracy?

There's nothing inaccurate about what I said. Southern Democrats switched to the GOP en masse after the civil rights movement challenged and defeated Jim Crow laws. The civil rights movement caused a breakup of the Democratic party coalition in the 1960s.

Basically after that, the racists fled to the GOP and the liberals flooded the Democratic Party.

By all means, show me the inaccuracy there. I'm sure you can find historians who agree with you and not me?

 

[S-Des]

There's nothing inaccurate about what I said. Southern Democrats switched to the GOP en masse after the civil rights movement challenged and defeated Jim Crow laws. The civil rights movement caused a breakup of the Democratic party coalition in the 1960s.

Basically after that, the racists fled to the GOP and the liberals flooded the Democratic Party.

By all means, show me the inaccuracy there. I'm sure you can find historians who agree with you and not me?

First of all, could you please quantify "en masse" (since you obviously have statistics to back up your accusations). Then let's see you provide the numbers of "racists" who joined the Republican party since then. Then we'll cross reference it with the white, working class voters in the states Hillary won at the end who were identified as 'racists' or 'rednecks' (code word) by the Obama campaign or any of a number of Democratic commentators on MSNBC & CNN. After we do the math on that, I'll give it some more thought. If you don't have the numbers to back up your statement, then you're pulling it out of your ass, so I don't have to "prove" anything.

Like with most things, you like to take some portion of truth, then add in a liberal (no pun intended) dose of guesswork, then mix it up and cherry pick the results that you think make you sound smart. Sorry, I'm tired of playing that game.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

MLK flirted with the communists, so he was likely a Democrat.

 

[Guest]

Wow. He's starting early.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/sweetsubsarahh/Monkeys/poo-flinging_monkeyinrange.gif

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SARAH stalk someone else.

 

[sr71plt]

There's nothing inaccurate about what I said. Southern Democrats switched to the GOP en masse after the civil rights movement challenged and defeated Jim Crow laws. The civil rights movement caused a breakup of the Democratic party coalition in the 1960s.

Basically after that, the racists fled to the GOP and the liberals flooded the Democratic Party.

By all means, show me the inaccuracy there. I'm sure you can find historians who agree with you and not me?

This may come as a revelation to you, but there were just a few more Democrats running around the country than just the Dixiecrats in those days, so, of course, your statement was false. Most of the Democrats of that day would, in fact, be Democrats today (if they were alive).

 

[Boxlicker101]

There's nothing inaccurate about what I said. Southern Democrats switched to the GOP en masse after the civil rights movement challenged and defeated Jim Crow laws. The civil rights movement caused a breakup of the Democratic party coalition in the 1960s.

Basically after that, the racists fled to the GOP and the liberals flooded the Democratic Party.

By all means, show me the inaccuracy there. I'm sure you can find historians who agree with you and not me?

You are partially correct, but things didn't happen that fast or quite that way. In 1964, Goldwater won in most of the southern states. In 1968, the white southern voters "flocked", to use your word, to the American Independent Party, under the leadership of George Wallace, and he won most of the southern states in the presidential election that year. Nixon won the southern states in 1972, but it would be more accurate to say that McGovern lost them. Carter won them in 1976; Reagan won all but Georgia in 1980 and Dukakis lost them in 1984.

However, those are the presidential elections. Even through the Eighties, governors and members of congress were mostly Dems. Like most voters, southerners tend to vote for those who best reflect their values and opinions, without paying that much attention to party labels.

By the way, I think it's grossly unfair to say that those who voted for Hillary did so out of racism. If you want to call names, remember that Obama received about 90% of the African-American vote. Hillary usually got a majority of the white vote, but never anywhere near 90%. Maybe some of those who voted for Obama were sexists.

As far as I'm concerned, people vote on whatever basis they prefer. If it is racism or sexism or because they think one candidate will line their pockets better, that is their right.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Martin Luther King WAS Republican. He was a 55 year-old Polish woman from Milwaukee. This has all been a huge mistake.

This is just like the republicans trying to rewrite the history books to show that Hitler was left-wing. National Socialist, see? It was the commies after all!

And Jesus was a capitalist. What bullshit.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DOC

MLK also had a booth at the county fair where he sold tickets to heaven to the rubes.

 

[Boxlicker101]

MLK was born Jan 15, 1929 in Georgia, so he could have voted for the first time in a local election in 1950. At that time, he was a graduate student in Philadelphia. He could have voted for the first time in a pres. election in 1952, choosing between Ike and Adlai. He was a graduate student in Boston at that time. The minimum age was lowered to 18 some time later.

Given the voter registration situation at that time in Georgia, he was probably not registered there. If he was a registered voter in one of those northern cities, how would he have been registered. Consider that the people at that time who were trying to keep down MLK and others were all registered as Dems, would he have been registered to that party or to the GOP.

 

[Boxlicker101]

DOC

MLK also had a booth at the county fair where he sold tickets to heaven to the rubes.

That might have been true during fair time, but usually he sold the tickets at the church where he was a pastor.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

First of all, could you please quantify "en masse" (since you obviously have statistics to back up your accusations). Then let's see you provide the numbers of "racists" who joined the Republican party since then.

I'll answer both challenges with one whack:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

After World War II, the civil rights movement took hold by Republicans. Democratics in the South, however, still voted loyally for their party. The old conservative stalwarts were trying to resist the changes that were sweeping the nation. With the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, it was the final straw for many Southern Democrats, who began voting against Democratic incumbents for GOP candidates. The Republicans carried many Southern states for the first time since before the Great Depression.

Yeah, that's Wikipedia, but can you show me a history book that contradicts this?

Then we'll cross reference it with the white, working class voters in the states Hillary won at the end who were identified as 'racists' or 'rednecks' (code word) by the Obama campaign or any of a number of Democratic commentators on MSNBC & CNN. After we do the math on that, I'll give it some more thought.

I wasn't talking about Hillary's supporters. I was talking about how the former slavery-defending Democratic Party became the anti-discrimination party because so many of its right wing elements ran to the GOP (as shown above). You wanna talk numbers? How about whole states lost to the GOP that never voted for the GOP since the Great Depression? How's that for numbers?

What exactly do you have that contradicts what I said? Or are you just bluffing to keep your head above your own bullshit that's being pointed out to you?

Your militant ignorance of history is getting tiresome.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Martin Luther King WAS Republican. He was a 55 year-old Polish woman from Milwaukee. This has all been a huge mistake.

This is just like the republicans trying to rewrite the history books to show that Hitler was left-wing. National Socialist, see? It was the commies after all!

And Jesus was a capitalist. What bullshit.

Don't tell me you missed the part where we were commanded to <Pastor Hagee mode on>let the people who can't work STARVE!!! <Pastor Hagee mode off>, hang all gay people and slay the unbelievers?

Please tell me you didn't buy into the liberal propaganda...

 

[Guest]

Don't tell me you missed the part where we were commanded to <Pastor Hagee mode on>let the people who can't work STARVE!!! <Pastor Hagee mode off>, hang all gay people and slay the unbelievers?

Please tell me you didn't buy into the liberal propaganda...

Oh, sweetie.

*pats on head*

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Oh, sweetie.

*pats on head*

LOL come on, that was sarcasm.

 

[Guest]

LOL come on, that was sarcasm.

Oh, thank god.

I knew I was drunk - I missed it.