Missouri workers, you thought you could stop bending over and taking it up the ass?

[LJ_Reloaded]

Think again!

http://www.businessinsider.com/missouri-governor-lowers-minimum-wage-2017-7

Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens recently announced the $10 hourly minimum St. Louis workers began receiving two months ago will revert back to the state minimum wage of $7.70 on August 28, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports.

The $10 hourly wage was slated to increase to $11 an hour in January 2018, but Greitens cited economic consequences if he didn't stop the ordinance from going through.

"It will kill jobs," Greitens said of the increase, according to the Post-Dispatch. "And despite what you hear from liberals, it will take money out of people's pockets."

A court battle between the Missouri General Assembly and the City of St. Louis ensued from 2015 until May of 2017, ultimately resulting in the city wage increasing to $10. A new bill in the Missouri Legislature, however, allows Greitens to prohibit any cities from creating their own minimum wage alongside the state minimum wage. Greitens said in his announcement that he will allow the bill to pass.

Greitens' announcement comes amid a wave of states looking to increase their minimum wages, not reduce them. Last March, California Gov. Jerry Brown agreed to raise the state's minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2022. Many individual US cities have earlier plans to hit the same rate.

The Missouri governor's claim that raising the minimum wage "will kill jobs" is unfounded from a research perspective.

Conservatard logic: work for less means you earn more!

Right wingers... finding new ways to split the atom of stupid!

 

[srgreene]

Think again!

http://www.businessinsider.com/missouri-governor-lowers-minimum-wage-2017-7

Conservatard logic: work for less means you earn more! Right wingers... finding new ways to split the atom of stupid!

I have to wonder if all "left wingers" are as banal and as stupidlyinsulting as you sound. Yes, there is a strong argument to made that increasing the minimum wage leads to decreases in income. For example, in Portland (or perhaps it is Seattle) a recent increase in the minimum wage reportedly actually caused a decrease in income for low income workers of about $125 per month as employers responded by decreasing hours or in some cases laying off workers. Fast food companies have responded for several years now by increasing automation.

People like you fail to deal with serious issues in a serious way- the casual insult and cliche suffices in your mind.

If minimum wage laws- which cost tax money to enforce- are so great, why not make it $50 per hour?

More than that, it's not the proper role of government to set compensation rates anyway..

 

[OldJourno]

From the OP: Conservatard logic: work for less means you earn more!

What researchers in Seattle have found is that workers who didn't get purged when the higher minimum wage started worked fewer hours and actually made less money.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

If minimum wage laws- which cost tax money to enforce- are so great, why not make it $50 per hour?

For the same reason you would not make it $1,000.00/ per hour, dumbass.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

From Missouri:


The Governor did us all a favor. Most of this state is rural and the cost of living is pretty darned low. For all but Kansas City and what is left of Saint Louis, the proposed minimum wage made no sense at all economically. That's what you expect your leaders to do. First they caved to social pressure to "do the right thing." But when presented with clear and compelling evidence that the right thing (the broken window) is the wrong thing (the suit not purchased), they decided not to "fix the window" (which wasn't even broken, they just decided not to chuck the brick into it).

If you do not understand the reference, look up Frédéric Bastiat's Broken Window parable...

 

[RobDownSouth]

For example, in Portland (or perhaps it is Seattle) a recent increase in the minimum wage reportedly actually caused a decrease in income for low income workers of about $125 per month as employers responded by decreasing hours or in some cases laying off workers. Fast food companies have responded for several years now by increasing automation.

What researchers in Seattle have found is that workers who didn't get purged when the higher minimum wage started worked fewer hours and actually made less money.

Desperate wingnuts cling to the "But...but...Seattle!" study as some sort of lifesaver. The Seattle study is "deeply flawed", according to researchers. It excludes 60% of all minimum wage workers by design, which includes any and all min wage workers at chain stores. Wal-mart? Excluded. McDonalds? Excluded. Some mighty fine research there!

Including these workers would have shown an overall increase in take home pay, workplace productivity (!!!), and NO reduction in hours. Businesses actually become MORE profitable, because turnover (and related new employee training costs) plummet the higher wages are.

Unlike the Retard Right, I always provide a basis for my claims: LINK to commie magazine Fortune

 

[JohnnySavage]

From the OP: Conservatard logic: work for less means you earn more!

What researchers in Seattle have found is that workers who didn't get purged when the higher minimum wage started worked fewer hours and actually made less money.

So what you are saying, is that the company can get the same amount of work done with fewer labor hours. They were either really bad at the business, or very benevolent.

 

[HisArpy]

Desperate wingnuts cling to the "But...but...Seattle!" study as some sort of lifesaver. The Seattle study is "deeply flawed", according to researchers. It excludes 60% of all minimum wage workers by design, which includes any and all min wage workers at chain stores. Wal-mart? Excluded. McDonalds? Excluded. Some mighty fine research there!

Including these workers would have shown an overall increase in take home pay, workplace productivity (!!!), and NO reduction in hours. Businesses actually become MORE profitable, because turnover (and related new employee training costs) plummet the higher wages are.

Unlike the Retard Right, I always provide a basis for my claims: LINK to commie magazine Fortune

Almost all the legitimate analysis of the Seattle study finds that the information it contains is compelling. While it's only 1 study, and limited, what it found FACTUALLY is not even close to what is being asserted otherwise.

The detractors are concentrating on the "but it doesn't have.... and it excludes..." attack mode style as an attempt to show the study is somehow flawed. However, the data retrieved and analyzed in the study is factual. It's not skewed or "adjusted" to show pre-conceived results.

The REALLY BOGUS news I've been reading are the inferences that once the minimum wage does go down, all those minimum wage workers will instantly have their paychecks adjusted downward too. Really? Prove it with facts, not inferences.

People seem to forget that minimum wage means the minimum wage allowed not the only wage allowed.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Almost all the legitimate analysis of the Seattle study finds that the information it contains is compelling. While it's only 1 study, and limited, what it found FACTUALLY is not even close to what is being asserted otherwise.

The detractors are concentrating on the "but it doesn't have.... and it excludes..." attack mode style as an attempt to show the study is somehow flawed. However, the data retrieved and analyzed in the study is factual. It's not skewed or "adjusted" to show pre-conceived results.

The REALLY BOGUS news I've been reading are the inferences that once the minimum wage does go down, all those minimum wage workers will instantly have their paychecks adjusted downward too. Really? Prove it with facts, not inferences.

People seem to forget that minimum wage means the minimum wage allowed not the only wage allowed.

Exactly.

It never went into effect.

No one had their wage reduced...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Almost all the legitimate analysis of the Seattle study finds that the information it contains is compelling. While it's only 1 study, and limited, what it found FACTUALLY is not even close to what is being asserted otherwise.

It's ONE study that seems to contradict other studies that assert the opposite conclusion. Apparently cherry picking your data leads to the conclusion you want.

The detractors are concentrating on the "but it doesn't have.... and it excludes..." attack mode style as an attempt to show the study is somehow flawed. However, the data retrieved and analyzed in the study is factual. It's not skewed or "adjusted" to show pre-conceived results.

The study excludes any and all "chains", so Walmart and McDonalds among others were excluded. You cannot exclude 60% of the workforce from analysis and claim any sort of factual basis for your conclusion.

The REALLY BOGUS news I've been reading are the inferences that once the minimum wage does go down, all those minimum wage workers will instantly have their paychecks adjusted downward too. Really? Prove it with facts, not inferences.

People seem to forget that minimum wage means the minimum wage allowed not the only wage allowed.

REALLY BOGUS indeed. You made that up. Show us something to support your specious claim or admit that you are a god damned mother fucking son of a lying whore. Nut up or shut up, you candy ass shitbag.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

For the same reason you would not make it $1,000.00/ per hour, dumbass.

These anti minimum wage people are morons. It's like the way they get confused when you tell them that you need 8 glasses of water per day but 100 will kill you. In fact they're too stupid to get that analogy.

 

[srgreene]

From the OP: Conservatard logic: work for less means you earn more!

What researchers in Seattle have found is that workers who didn't get purged when the higher minimum wage started worked fewer hours and actually made less money.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/news/seattle-minimum-wage-15/index.html

 

[srgreene]

So what you are saying, is that the company can get the same amount of work done with fewer labor hours. They were either really bad at the business, or very benevolent.

I don't think those are the only options. For example, a convenience store might cut back on its marginally profitable hours.

You seem to speak as someone with no experience running a small business.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/news/seattle-minimum-wage-15/index.html

UC Berkeley calls bullshit.
http://irle.berkeley.edu/seattles-minimum-wage-experience-2015-16/

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

These anti minimum wage people are morons. It's like the way they get confused when you tell them that you need 8 glasses of water per day but 100 will kill you. In fact they're too stupid to get that analogy.

Yes, but most of us earn well above minimum wage.

Some of those morons run businesses in which they give kids a chance to get work experience while the genius crowd wants to raise the wage to a rate that precludes kids, and a lot of unskilled minority labor. If you're going to pay a top wage to a new untrained worker, you're going to shoot for a HS diploma, strong English skills and the understanding of how to dress for success.


Now genius, don't you feel like a moron?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

UC Berkeley calls bullshit.
http://irle.berkeley.edu/seattles-minimum-wage-experience-2015-16/

UC Berkley is communist-held territory...

 

[Wat_Tyler]

He's gotta hitch up his drawers before he thinks . . . .

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

... and learn not to call them bitches and hoes...


... and not require that every sign in the workplace be bilingual.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Gang signs are like Chinese.


Multilingual and unintelligible to many . . . .

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Face tats and piercings just scream, "Customer Service!"

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Hang up and drive???


How 2002 . . . .


How's about, hang up and work!!!

 

[RobDownSouth]

I guess "HisArpy" is all hat and no cattle.

 

[phrodeau]

From the OP: Conservatard logic: work for less means you earn more!

What researchers in Seattle have found is that workers who didn't get purged when the higher minimum wage started worked fewer hours and actually made less money.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/news/seattle-minimum-wage-15/index.html

Unemployment in Seattle is at an all-time low. People who have had their hours cut can easily find more hours elsewhere.

 

[hsnh]

I guess "HisArpy" is all hat and no cattle.

Looks like Rob is experiencing his 7 minute butt itch again.

The objects of his affection must feel stoked…