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Middle East Map drawn around ethnic lines

But Muslims are SOOOOOOOOOOO progressive, they shouldn't need borders based on ethnic lines.
 
Even though ethnic/language divisions in Europe are less extreme than in the Middle East, they have been and are causes for violence.

South Tirol in Italy is German speaking. They have limited independence from Italy.

Basques in Spain/France want an independent state and have committed acts of terror in support of their claim.

Belgium is divided between French and Dutch speakers and the government struggles to reconcile the two.

Alsace/Lorraine have swapped between Germany and France.

The former Yugoslavia went to war over ethnic differences.

As for Ireland/Northern Ireland? There are still armed groups fighting for and against a united Ireland although they are now sidelined by the peace process.

Hitler's policy towards German speaking minorities in Czechoslovakia and Poland led to WW2 and is mirrored by Putin's policy in the Ukraine and the Crimea.

In the Middle East:
Kurds in Turkey and Iraq want a separate Kurdistan and commit terrorist attacks in Turkey while the Turkish government treats them as enemies.
 
Yugoslavia was held together only by the iron grip of Tito.

Iraq by Saddam. George 'the Moron" W. Bush's removal of Saddam created the killing ground in Iraq.

Catalans in Spain seek autonomy if not independence.

The recent Scots referendum.

Welsh nationalism is still alive and strong after centuries of English rule.

Here in Canada we have Quebec separatists.

Humans are very tribal. If they don't look like us or talk like us, we generally view them with either suspicion or pity. No one likes to be looked at suspiciously or pitiably.

Who knows with globalization, air traffic and migration, we will all look alike and speak alike in a coupe of thousands years. Hopefully. Either that or we need alien invasion from outer space to unite us as human beings.
 
oggbashan said:
Even though ethnic/language divisions in Europe are less extreme than in the Middle East, they have been and are causes for violence.

South Tirol in Italy is German speaking. They have limited independence from Italy.

Basques in Spain/France want an independent state and have committed acts of terror in support of their claim.

Belgium is divided between French and Dutch speakers and the government struggles to reconcile the two.

Alsace/Lorraine have swapped between Germany and France.

The former Yugoslavia went to war over ethnic differences.

As for Ireland/Northern Ireland? There are still armed groups fighting for and against a united Ireland although they are now sidelined by the peace process.

Hitler's policy towards German speaking minorities in Czechoslovakia and Poland led to WW2 and is mirrored by Putin's policy in the Ukraine and the Crimea.

In the Middle East:
Kurds in Turkey and Iraq want a separate Kurdistan and commit terrorist attacks in Turkey while the Turkish government treats them as enemies.
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Utter nonsense.
 
Hard_Rom said:
Would look like this and be far more peaceful

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JeMNLRUnAoY/T8kO0gModBI/AAAAAAAACF4/G1Fn55u8Ba4/s640/Middle+East+Map.gif

Europe's map drawn around language is much closer to real political borders

http://www2.newton.k12.ma.us/~kathy...fied_Languages_of_Europe_map.svg.gif?src=.PNG

But could still be tweaked.
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That's the sort of Orientalist clap trap and racism that the neoconservative nut jobs push.

And we know how right they are about everything.
 
In the case of the middle eastern boundaries we can lay the blame with the British and French in 1916 - Sykes–Picot Agreement. Personally I think the first world war didn't go on long enough. Maybe if a few more aristocratic assholes had been killed off, the world would be a happier place. The arrogance of the ruling elite of those times is breath-taking
 
The Durant line drew a boundary right through the middle of the Pashtun people. Like arbitrarily dividing France in half.
 
Since the publication of Edward Said's Orientalism in 1978, much academic discourse has used the term "Orientalism" in a more restricted sense, to characterize a perceived patronizing Western attitude towards Eastern societies that is used to justify Western imperialism. In Said's analysis, the West essentializes these societies as static and undeveloped—thereby fabricating a view of Oriental culture that can be studied, depicted, and reproduced. Implicit in this fabrication, writes Said, is the idea that Western society is developed, rational, flexible, and superior, while Oriental societies embody the opposite values.[2]
 
What do I think of Western civilization? I think it would be a very good idea.

Mahatma Gandhi
 
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