Michael Moore's Open Letter To President Obama On Afghanistan

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Dear President Obama,

Do you really want to be the new "war president"? If you go to West Point tomorrow night (Tuesday, 8pm) and announce that you are increasing, rather than withdrawing, the troops in Afghanistan, you are the new war president. Pure and simple. And with that you will do the worst possible thing you could do -- destroy the hopes and dreams so many millions have placed in you. With just one speech tomorrow night you will turn a multitude of young people who were the backbone of your campaign into disillusioned cynics. You will teach them what they've always heard is true -- that all politicians are alike. I simply can't believe you're about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn't so.

It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government. WE tell the Joint Chiefs what to do, not the other way around. That's the way General Washington insisted it must be. That's what President Truman told General MacArthur when MacArthur wanted to invade China. "You're fired!," said Truman, and that was that. And you should have fired Gen. McChrystal when he went to the press to preempt you, telling the press what YOU had to do. Let me be blunt: We love our kids in the armed services, but we f*#&in' hate these generals, from Westmoreland in Vietnam to, yes, even Colin Powell for lying to the UN with his made-up drawings of WMD (he has since sought redemption).

So now you feel backed into a corner. 30 years ago this past Thursday (Thanksgiving) the Soviet generals had a cool idea -- "Let's invade Afghanistan!" Well, that turned out to be the final nail in the USSR coffin.

There's a reason they don't call Afghanistan the "Garden State" (though they probably should, seeing how the corrupt President Karzai, whom we back, has his brother in the heroin trade raising poppies). Afghanistan's nickname is the "Graveyard of Empires." If you don't believe it, give the British a call. I'd have you call Genghis Khan but I lost his number. I do have Gorbachev's number though. It's + 41 22 789 1662. I'm sure he could give you an earful about the historic blunder you're about to commit.

With our economic collapse still in full swing and our precious young men and women being sacrificed on the altar of arrogance and greed, the breakdown of this great civilization we call America will head, full throttle, into oblivion if you become the "war president." Empires never think the end is near, until the end is here. Empires think that more evil will force the heathens to toe the line -- and yet it never works. The heathens usually tear them to shreds.

Choose carefully, President Obama. You of all people know that it doesn't have to be this way. You still have a few hours to listen to your heart, and your own clear thinking. You know that nothing good can come from sending more troops halfway around the world to a place neither you nor they understand, to achieve an objective that neither you nor they understand, in a country that does not want us there. You can feel it in your bones.

I know you know that there are LESS than a hundred al-Qaeda left in Afghanistan! A hundred thousand troops trying to crush a hundred guys living in caves? Are you serious? Have you drunk Bush's Kool-Aid? I refuse to believe it.

Your potential decision to expand the war (while saying that you're doing it so you can "end the war") will do more to set your legacy in stone than any of the great things you've said and done in your first year. One more throwing a bone from you to the Republicans and the coalition of the hopeful and the hopeless may be gone -- and this nation will be back in the hands of the haters quicker than you can shout "tea bag!"

Choose carefully, Mr. President. Your corporate backers are going to abandon you as soon as it is clear you are a one-term president and that the nation will be safely back in the hands of the usual idiots who do their bidding. That could be Wednesday morning.

We the people still love you. We the people still have a sliver of hope. But we the people can't take it anymore. We can't take your caving in, over and over, when we elected you by a big, wide margin of millions to get in there and get the job done. What part of "landslide victory" don't you understand?

Don't be deceived into thinking that sending a few more troops into Afghanistan will make a difference, or earn you the respect of the haters. They will not stop until this country is torn asunder and every last dollar is extracted from the poor and soon-to-be poor. You could send a million troops over there and the crazy Right still wouldn't be happy. You would still be the victim of their incessant venom on hate radio and television because no matter what you do, you can't change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge.

The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can't be won over by abandoning the rest of us.

President Obama, it's time to come home. Ask your neighbors in Chicago and the parents of the young men and women doing the fighting and dying if they want more billions and more troops sent to Afghanistan. Do you think they will say, "No, we don't need health care, we don't need jobs, we don't need homes. You go on ahead, Mr. President, and send our wealth and our sons and daughters overseas, 'cause we don't need them, either."

What would Martin Luther King, Jr. do? What would your grandmother do? Not send more poor people to kill other poor people who pose no threat to them, that's what they'd do. Not spend billions and trillions to wage war while American children are sleeping on the streets and standing in bread lines.

All of us that voted and prayed for you and cried the night of your victory have endured an Orwellian hell of eight years of crimes committed in our name: torture, rendition, suspension of the bill of rights, invading nations who had not attacked us, blowing up neighborhoods that Saddam "might" be in (but never was), slaughtering wedding parties in Afghanistan. We watched as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were slaughtered and tens of thousands of our brave young men and women were killed, maimed, or endured mental anguish -- the full terror of which we scarcely know.

When we elected you we didn't expect miracles. We didn't even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn't even function as a nation and never, ever has.

Stop, stop, stop! For the sake of the lives of young Americans and Afghan civilians, stop. For the sake of your presidency, hope, and the future of our nation, stop. For God's sake, stop.

Tonight we still have hope.

Tomorrow, we shall see. The ball is in your court. You DON'T have to do this. You can be a profile in courage. You can be your mother's son.

We're counting on you.

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com

P.S. There's still time to have your voice heard. Call the White House at 202-456-1111 or email the President.
 
Every right winger here is befuddled.

For lack of a better term.

"HUH WHAAAA?? How can we spin this against MM?"

:confused:
 
The thing is that during the election Obama was very clear about being for an escalation in Afghanistan and everyone was "Ya! You're right!" and now everybody is "What the fuck you doing that for?"
Make up your minds.
 
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The thing is that during the election Obama was very clear about being for an escalation in Afghanistand and everyone was "Ya! You're right!" and now everybody is "What the fuck you doing that for?"
Make up your minds.

Well, after he got out of Iraq, I think was the plan.

Then go and kill Osama, and be done with it.
 
I stopped reading when he said how much he hated those %#@(& generals, then called Obama's opposition "haters."

He's nothing but a fat tub of goo who makes less sense than Oreo.
 
The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can't be won over by abandoning the rest of us.
 
The thing is that during the election Obama was very clear about being for an escalation in Afghanistan and everyone was "Ya! You're right!" and now everybody is "What the fuck you doing that for?"
Make up your minds.
Obama is a massively smart dude, a pure politician, a ninja and a pussy. Anyone who didn't see all those elements in play during the campaign wasn't paying attention.

His staff is pretty much all ninjas, though. They play the long game. They'd better be careful not to let too many irreversible story lines take hold before they start turning stuff around, or president Palin is going to get a lot of credit for the seeds these guys are planting.
 
I stopped reading when he said how much he hated those %#@(& generals, then called Obama's opposition "haters."

He's nothing but a fat tub of goo who makes less sense than Oreo.
Moore was right. McChrystal should have been fired.
 
Besides twenty percent of the population, who gives a fuck what three hundred pounds of chewed left wing bubble gum thinks?:rolleyes:
He was criticizing Obama. This must have given you some serious attraction/revulsion issues.
 
Obama is a massively smart dude, a pure politician, a ninja and a pussy. Anyone who didn't see all those elements in play during the campaign wasn't paying attention.

His staff is pretty much all ninjas, though.
That's quite a personality contrast. I would like to hear more of your take on the residence of both qualities in the same person.

Moore was right. McChrystal should have been fired.
For what exactly? Requesting the necessary resources to accomplish the mission with which he had been charged?
 
That's quite a personality contrast. I would like to hear more of your take on the residence of both qualities in the same person.

He's deeply intelligent, and plays policy like a poker game: if you're playing the odds, you don't change your game just because the cards aren't coming out right now. Hold tight and they'll turn.

That's the ninja part. He's strategically unflappable.

On the other hand, he's got to learn to step on a toe or two instead of braining out the best path between feet. Sometimes the fact of bold action is more important than the reason for that action. He's got to stop trying to keep everyone happy. He's the president. Keeping everyone happy makes you a pussy, and a pussies--even very smart ones--are not good American presidents. Which brings us to...

For what exactly? Requesting the necessary resources to accomplish the mission with which he had been charged?
He didn't request. He subverted the request process and leaked his desire to the media in order to force Obama's hand. Right or wrong, he should have been fired. (See above re: toes and action.)
 
He's deeply intelligent, and plays policy like a poker game: if you're playing the odds, you don't change your game just because the cards aren't coming out right now. Hold tight and they'll turn.

That's the ninja part. He's strategically unflappable.

On the other hand, he's got to learn to step on a toe or two instead of braining out the best path between feet. Sometimes the fact of bold action is more important than the reason for that action. He's got to stop trying to keep everyone happy. He's the president. Keeping everyone happy makes you a pussy, and a pussies--even very smart ones--are not good American presidents. Which brings us to...


He didn't request. He subverted the request process and leaked his desire to the media in order to force Obama's hand. Right or wrong, he should have been fired. (See above re: toes and action.)

I agree with this. It was a shit thing to do.
 
I think he should give "his" hand picked field commander exactly what he wants. Obama is not a trained military commander. This country has spent millions on the military education of "his" general, I say let him do his job. If Obama doesn't want to fight the war, isn't up to the job, wants out, he should tell the country and order our military out of there. There is no "other way" between victory or defeat. If the President has no confidence in his general he should relieve him, he shouldn't vacillate or pretend he knows more about military strategy than the generals when lives are on the line.

Personally, I'd rather see them all brought home now, than to be commanded by cowards in the national command authority. I've seen exactly where that leads.

What would you have liked to see your idol George Bush do then.

He forgot all about these guys and this war for 8 years, dude.

Not to mention he managed to keep this war and the iraq invasion off the financial books.
 
I think he should give "his" hand picked field commander exactly what he wants. Obama is not a trained military commander. This country has spent millions on the military education of "his" general, I say let him do his job. If Obama doesn't want to fight the war, isn't up to the job, wants out, he should tell the country and order our military out of there. There is no "other way" between victory or defeat. If the President has no confidence in his general he should relieve him, he shouldn't vacillate or pretend he knows more about military strategy than the generals when lives are on the line.

Personally, I'd rather see them all brought home now, than to be commanded by cowards in the national command authority. I've seen exactly where that leads.

thank you for that. I actually agree with a great deal of it.
 
I think he should give "his" hand picked field commander exactly what he wants. Obama is not a trained military commander. This country has spent millions on the military education of "his" general, I say let him do his job. If Obama doesn't want to fight the war, isn't up to the job, wants out, he should tell the country and order our military out of there. There is no "other way" between victory or defeat. If the President has no confidence in his general he should relieve him, he shouldn't vacillate or pretend he knows more about military strategy than the generals when lives are on the line.

Personally, I'd rather see them all brought home now, than to be commanded by cowards in the national command authority. I've seen exactly where that leads.
This is naive, Vette. Generals own wars, but Presidents own peace. The geopolitical considerations in play go beyond what the generals say. Theirs is one of several equally pertinent voices.

The place for his input was up the line of command. Creating a political trap for your own president does nothing to win either the war or the peace. And considering the broader implications of a broken country is no one's cowardice.
 
Didn't even read the letter

Moore's just a douch who twists facts and fabricates things in order to generate interest in himself and his movies. Perhaps, sometimes his aim or intentions are good/right/whatever..but I just can't believe anything he says anymore. He has crap for credibility. :mad:

He just irritates the piss out of me...
 
Moore's just a douch who twists facts and fabricates things in order to generate interest in himself and his movies. Perhaps, sometimes his aim or intentions are good/right/whatever..but I just can't believe anything he says anymore. He has crap for credibility. :mad:

He just irritates the piss out of me...
Who the fuck cares what you think?
 
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