Michael Moore: It's the guns -- but, we all know, it's not really the guns

[KingOrfeo]

better at shooting off his fat ass mouth.

Yes, in the sense that he has artistic talent you never will.

 

[blobfish]

The vast majority of gun deaths occur in poor, urban areas. If the problem were guns, the murder rate in rural areas would be huge. The problem is poverty, and obviously, the government solution to poverty has not worked thus far. In fact, the feds have been incentivizing it since the Roosevelt Administration, with Lyndon Johnson being the greatest offender. When the federal government stops encouraging poverty, the country will improve immensely. That will never happen, of course, because dependence is good for Washington. A dependent populace is a compliant populace.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The vast majority of gun deaths occur in poor, urban areas. If the problem were guns, the murder rate in rural areas would be huge. The problem is poverty, and obviously, the government solution to poverty has not worked thus far. In fact, the feds have been incentivizing it since the Roosevelt Administration, with Lyndon Johnson being the greatest offender. When the federal government stops encouraging poverty, the country will improve immensely. That will never happen, of course, because dependence is good for Washington. A dependent populace is a compliant populace.

Please tell me how you & those you know resist all the incentives the government offers to be poor.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The vast majority of gun deaths occur in poor, urban areas. If the problem were guns, the murder rate in rural areas would be huge. The problem is poverty, and obviously, the government solution to poverty has not worked thus far. In fact, the feds have been incentivizing it since the Roosevelt Administration, with Lyndon Johnson being the greatest offender.

Actually, LBJ's War on Poverty failed only because the Vietnam War drained the funding.

 

[Disgustipated]

better at shooting off his fat ass mouth.

Mike weighs 3lbs less than you.

 

[blobfish]

Please tell me how you & those you know resist all the incentives the government offers to be poor.

They don't. The people that are on the various welfare programs aren't bad people; they simply take what is given. It's no different than accepting the free donuts at a car dealership. If the dealership goes bankrupt because it gave our too many donuts, it's their fault, not the people that took the donuts.

 

[blobfish]

Actually, LBJ's War on Poverty failed only because the Vietnam War drained the funding.

It failed because it was a money pit. Giving people money to be poor makes many people want to stay poor, or, at the very least, uninterested in not being poor. I know this because I've seen it firsthand.

I'm not against small amounts of government aid for people that need it, but the simple truth is that some people just need a swift kick in the ass.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

They don't. The people that are on the various welfare programs aren't bad people; they simply take what is given. It's no different than accepting the free donuts at a car dealership. If the dealership goes bankrupt because it gave our too many donuts, it's their fault, not the people that took the donuts.

You never told me how YOU resist the government's incentives to be poor.

 

[blobfish]

You never told me how YOU resist the government's incentives to be poor.

I choose to make my own money. That's not to say that I and my family weren't on various types of welfare at one point or another; we were. My parents still are. That has nothing to do with my opinions, though. If anything, it makes me more qualified to talk about it.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I choose to make my own money. That's not to say that I and my family weren't on various types of welfare at one point or another; we were. My parents still are. That has nothing to do with my opinions, though. If anything, it makes me more qualified to talk about it.

You really don't want to answer this question, do you?

If you're not receiving government assistance you obviously choose to make your own money. So again, WHY did you come to this decision?

 

[blobfish]

You really don't want to answer this question, do you?

If you're not receiving government assistance you obviously choose to make your own money. So again, WHY did you come to this decision?

Because I can make more money that way, and for ideological reasons.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Because I can make more money that way, and for ideological reasons.

Of course, "ideological reasons" only ever influence a minority.

 

[warrior queen]

Of course, "ideological reasons" only ever influence a minority.

?...until they arm themselves.
Then the ideologists become a force

 

[KingOrfeo]

?...until they arm themselves.
Then the ideologists become a force

This is America. Any "ideologists" may be presumed to be armed already. It never has made any real difference, and it never will.

 

[richard_daily]

Michael Moore is a better man than you.

That's not necessarily saying much.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That's not necessarily saying much.

No, 'tisn't. But it is saying much, that Michael Moore is a better man (and he is indeed a better man, though not nearly the artist) than Stone and Parker, who portrayed him as a "fat socialist weasel" in Team America: World Police.

 

[PoppingTom]

Well, if Moore is correct that the real root of gun violence in America is "our race problem and our poverty problem," there are conceivable ways that shooting would help . . . but it would take a whole lot of shooting, whether the comfortable shoot the poor or vice-versa.

Sadly, not even you read the most important point he made.

"We Americans are incredibly good killers. We believe in killing as a way of accomplishing our goals. Three-quarters of our states execute criminals, even though the states with the lower murder rates are generally the states with no death penalty.

Our killing is not just historical (the slaughter of Indians and slaves and each other in a "civil" war). It is our current way of resolving whatever it is we're afraid of. "



So again: quit bringing shitty arguments.

Shoot. No matter what. Liberals are a problem? Shoot them. Government wants gun control, which, off course, is the same as banning all weapons? Shoot them. Mom and Dad quarrel? Shoot them.

"You have a problem?
Ive got a problem solver
and its name is revolver"

Dr.Dre in "Natural Born Killer"

 

[PoppingTom]

Now poo-pe-head wants to take our gun rights away too?

I's a European prejudice that Americans prefer to use their guns instead of their heads. You've made a good example.

Does it have any redeeming qualities? It needs to shut up. Oh, and so does the Huffington Toast.

Shoot them.

Problem solved.

 

[mercury14]

Our killing is not just historical (the slaughter of Indians and slaves and each other in a "civil" war). It is our current way of resolving whatever it is we're afraid of. "[/i]

Herman Cain was in the top spot for the GOP nomination when he came out with his idea of killing Mexican immigrants with an electric fence. "Just kill them" was an acceptable immigration policy for the Republican party.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

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Да камрад! Мы с вами!

 

[PoppingTom]

Да камрад! Мы с вами!

Arguments?

Zero.

 

[Liar]

And, come to think of it, the only non-documentary Moore film I've ever seen with any gun-violence in it is Canadian Bacon (one shooting only -- an Omega Force soldier is shot by comrades for failing to keep up) -- a comedy which I really can't see as being a bad influence on children.

Wait, Michael Moore made that?

Heh.

 

[PoppingTom]

Funny thing is: yes, he did!