Mexican Earthquake (NOT!)

[amicus]

Mexican Earthquake

A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on
the Richter scale has hit
Mexico .

Two million Mexicans have died and over a
million are injured.

The country is totally ruined and the
government doesn't know where to start with
asking for help to rebuild.


The rest of the world is in shock.

Canada is sending troopers to help the
Mexican army control the riots.

Saudi Arabia is sending oil.

Other Latin American countries are sending
supplies.

The European community is sending food and money.

The United States , not to be outdone, is
sending two million replacement Mexicans.


God Bless America

~~~~~~~~~~

Sent to me by my dippy daughter, she has a strange sense of humor.

amicus...

 

[zeb1094]

If only!

Not that the loss of life would be a good thing, but the trespassers which are currently in our country illegally should be returned to the country from which they have, with stealth crossed our boarders.

 

[cantdog]

Nothing like a good hate thread to wake a person up in the morning. How do we thank you guys?

 

[zeb1094]

Nothing like a good hate thread to wake a person up in the morning. How do we thank you guys?

I spoke no words of hate!

Just expressing my feeling on the invasion from our southern border.

 

[cloudy]

Nothing like a good hate thread to wake a person up in the morning. How do we thank you guys?

Amen, cant.

 

[oggbashan]

If all those US Citizens claiming Irish descent were to return to Eire, they would outnumber the locals. (And drink all the Guinness and Whiskey...)

But how many of them are now Protestant? That could cause a real barney.

Og

 

[zeb1094]

If all those US Citizens claiming Irish descent were to return to Eire, they would outnumber the locals. (And drink all the Guinness and Whiskey...)

But how many of them are now Protestant? That could cause a real barney.

Og

But those Irishman came to this country legally. They passed through imigration, applied for citizenship and were excepted. They followed the law of the land as we, the United States, are a land of law!

 

[entitled]

What a horribly discriminatory thread! The first post did get a giggle (hey, i live where it sounds more like Mexico than the US on a Saturday night) but it went way the hell downhill from there.

Can it stop now?

 

[oggbashan]

But those Irishman came to this country legally. They passed through imigration, applied for citizenship and were excepted. They followed the law of the land as we, the United States, are a land of law!

Of course they did. But those who went during the famine years in Ireland were as poor as Mexicans are now. The Irish, and many other poor people from other countries were accepted, welcomed and became valuable US citizens.

If the US citizens of Irish descent went back to Eire, it would be as tourists. There wouldn't be enough beds to accommodate them, as welcoming as the Irish are.

Og

 

[BlackShanglan]

But those Irishman came to this country legally. They passed through imigration, applied for citizenship and were excepted. They followed the law of the land as we, the United States, are a land of law!

Have you had any experience with immigration law? What we ask people - most of whom have very little money to start with - to go through is ridiculous. Quite seriously, it's beyond me how anyone who wasn't starting with a relatively high level of education and income could possibly make it through that morass. We have friends - well-educated friends in industries that pay well, and who have lawyers helping them - who are three or four years into the process and still waiting. When one bears in mind that part of that process is not leaving the United States if at all possible, not even when all of one's family is living in a different country, one begins to see things in a different light.

The simple truth is that we have a great deal more than the people living on our southern border do. As I see it, we have three realistic options. One is to share with them by making it relatively simple for them to come and work here legally, via some process that would not take years and/or thousands of dollars of legal fees to complete. Another is to help their country become a place that they want to stay - one that has more of the things that we have, so that they won't be so tempted to leave their families and set off on a possibly deadly journey across a desert and past armed border guards in order to earn less than minimum wage at back-breaking labor. Perhaps we could help give them more to look forward to in their own country. Our third alternative, of course, is to do nothing about the first issue (ease of legal access to our country) or the second issue (conditions in theirs) and continue to complain about the fact that they enter our country in large numbers.

They're going to. Poverty, want, and hope for better are tremendous motivators. So long as we're the chief source of hope, they're going to be coming. We should, indeed, be familiar with this fact; those of us who do not trace our ancestry to Native American roots came here for the same reason, and most of our ancestors came when immigration laws were considerably more lax - or indeed, when the laws were "grab what you can." If we're not going to address the causes of illegal immigration, we're fighting the waves of the sea. The most insanely draconian measures did not stop East Germans from deserting to West Germany, and they will not stop Mexicans from coming to the United States so long as we have the things they want and need.

If we make the process of gaining access to the US simple and quick enough that people can do it legally, we can better regulate it and better prevent the growth of smuggling industries that will also work in favor of serious security threats. If we work with Mexico to try to strengthen their infrastructure and government of their people and the resources available, we might be able to make emigration less attractive. But if we concentrate solely on evicting people already here and trying to tighten the borders without any buy-in from those trying to get in, we are doomed to failure. It's a problem capable of absorbing staggering quantities of money and resources without anything, really, to show for it. Why not put the money to something useful instead?

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Have you had any experience with immigration law? What we ask people - most of whom have very little money to start with - to go through is ridiculous.

I agree!

One is to share with them by making it relatively simple for them to come and work here legally, via some process that would not take years and/or thousands of dollars of legal fees to complete.

*nodding*

It's a problem capable of absorbing staggering quantities of money and resources without anything, really, to show for it. Why not put the money to something useful instead?

Why don't we put any of our tax money to "good" use?

Thank you for this, Shang. Brilliant.

 

[zeb1094]

I agree!



*nodding*



Why don't we put any of our tax money to "good" use?

Thank you for this, Shang. Brilliant.

It's not brilliant! It going to bankrupt the United States! When the schools close and the hospitals can nolonger sustain the high influx of patients, will you feel so compasionate for those who are here illegally? For the criminals in our mists, in our houses, in our schools.

It is like me walking into your house and taking your food out of your fridge and walking away. They have come into our house and taken our belonging.

Yesterdays gatherings were their way of thumbing their noses at us.

 

[cloudy]

It is like me walking into your house and taking your food out of your fridge and walking away. They have come into our house and taken our belonging.

Sort of like what was done to us?

 

[zeb1094]

Sort of like what was done to us?

Yes.

So do you want it to happen to you again?

 

[cloudy]

Yes.

So do you want it to happen to you again?

There's a huge difference, though, Zeb. They're not coming here to kill you.

It amuses me to see decendants of immigrants so hypocritical about other immigrants, that's all.

 

[SweetPrettyAss]

But those Irishman came to this country legally. They passed through imigration, applied for citizenship and were excepted. They followed the law of the land as we, the United States, are a land of law!

Not all of them followed the law. Organized crime on the east coast during the 19th century was mostly run by Irish immigrants or second generation.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

It going to bankrupt the United States! When the schools close and the hospitals can nolonger sustain the high influx of patients, will you feel so compasionate for those who are here illegally? For the criminals in our mists, in our houses, in our schools.

what's your solution, Zeb? Deport everyone who is here and "tighten the borders"? (as if... short of a "mexican wall"... how? desperation will find a way)

Shang is right... people WILL look for a way out.

By circumstance, you happened to win the cultural lotto. You were born in America, one of the richest countries in the world... but it was only by chance.

You could be one of those immigrants. Hungry and desperate for something else, looking for hope... any of us could.

I think some compassion is in order, yes. And some reasonable response, rather than something extreme... on either end.

 

[zeb1094]

First of all, I don't consider it hypocritical to want those who wish to immigrate, to do it legally. I welcome them with open arms.

The solution is to have them want to return home. How we do this is not going to be easy but can be done.

There are several solutions that come to mind.

1. No more money transfers by individuals to Mexico or other Latin American county!
2. Fines for employers who hire illegals.
3. Confiscation of all property owned by illegals under the RICO statutes.
4. No public aid of any kind for illegals

Now where do you think they would rather be unemployed, here or back in their country or origin.

 

[entitled]

JUST to latin countries? Not to anywhere else? There ARE other places that have people who are trying to enter as illegal immigrants, you know. That would be quite a double standard.

 

[zeb1094]

what's your solution, Zeb? Deport everyone who is here and "tighten the borders"? (as if... short of a "mexican wall"... how? desperation will find a way)

Shang is right... people WILL look for a way out.

By circumstance, you happened to win the cultural lotto. You were born in America, one of the richest countries in the world... but it was only by chance.

You could be one of those immigrants. Hungry and desperate for something else, looking for hope... any of us could.

I think some compassion is in order, yes. And some reasonable response, rather than something extreme... on either end.

That would be a solution.

I was born here but my greatgrandmothers/fathers immigrated here legally. So yes I could have been one, but I'm not. My ancestors followed the immigration laws of the US.

We won't be the richest for long if the borders to the south are thrown open, we will become the Republik DelNorta!

 

[zeb1094]

JUST to latin countries? Not to anywhere else? There ARE other places that have people who are trying to enter as illegal immigrants, you know. That would be quite a double standard.

In the short term yes. But transfers to the MidEast have already been stopped, so what's the harm?

Would your rather the blood of our/your country flow freely to the south?

 

[neonlyte]

We won't be the richest for long if the borders to the south are thrown open, we will become the Republik DelNorta!

US Trade Deficit 2005 - 804.9 bn$ (805,900,000,000$00) - How would expelling cheap labour reduce the trade deficit considering one of the few countries where you occassionally have trade surplus is Mexico.

 

[entitled]

In the short term yes. But transfers to the MidEast have already been stopped, so what's the harm?

Would your rather the blood of our/your country flow freely to the south?

The harm might lie in cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world. That would pose a problem.

Honestly? Yes, i would rather have "the blood" of the country "flow freely" - in all directions. Those illegal immigrants you seem to have a problem with put 'our own' to shame in many ways. It needs to be shoved in the face of us lazy US citizens. Might serve as a wake up call.

 

[zeb1094]

The harm might lie in cutting ourselves off from the rest of the world. That would pose a problem.

Honestly? Yes, i would rather have "the blood" of the country "flow freely" - in all directions. Those illegal immigrants you seem to have a problem with put 'our own' to shame in many ways. It needs to be shoved in the face of us lazy US citizens. Might serve as a wake up call.

I do agree with you about their work ethic, but that is not what is at question here.

Did they get here legally?
Should they be here?
Should they be sending Americas spending power to the south?
Should they be using up the resources of America?

If you can honestly answer any of these questions with a yes, I will stop post on this thread!

If you answer the first one 'No' then the rest have to be 'No' also!

If you answer the first one 'Yes' then your not being honest with yourself.

 

[entitled]

I do agree with you about their work ethic, but that is not what is at question here.

Did they get here legally?
Should they be here?
Should they be sending Americas spending power to the south?
Should they be using up the resources of America?

If you can honestly answer any of these questions with a yes, I will stop post on this thread!

If you answer the first one 'No' then the rest have to be 'No' also!

If you answer the first one 'Yes' then your not being honest with yourself.

and again i say... You're so full of shit sometimes!

Just because the answer to one question is no does not mean the rest have to be the same. Just because a number of immigrants are illegal does not mean the rest of them are. So...

Possibly.
Yes.
They're not - they're sending their own hard-earned wages that way. i know i couldn't do what many of them do, and seriously doubt you could, either.
Yes. They don't have the resources in their own countries in many cases and should not be condemned to slow deaths because of it.