Mentions of childhood

[Nezhul]

How far can you get with those on lit?

Obviously, no sexualizing it in any way. That I understand.
And I also know that you can actually mention childhood as long as it's not sexualized in any way. Like an adult character talking about childhood memory of riding a bike is totally cool with lit.

But I have an edgy topic here. I'm writing a hucow story (for those who don't know it's a special type of fetish pet play that involves lactation and milk and stuff).
Now, I was developing a character and wrote this sentence:
"Mom used to brestfeed me and sister untill we were four."

And then I stopped. I have no idea if this is acceptable. Or is it pushing it too far? I know I don't mean anything sexual by it, but could anyone get rubbed the wrond way by this?
I'd appreciate your opinion.

 

[extreme_hetro_sex]

How far can you get with those on lit?

Obviously, no sexualizing it in any way. That I understand.
And I also know that you can actually mention childhood as long as it's not sexualized in any way. Like an adult character talking about childhood memory of riding a bike is totally cool with lit.

But I have an edgy topic here. I'm writing a hucow story (for those who don't know it's a special type of fetish pet play that involves lactation and milk and stuff).
Now, I was developing a character and wrote this sentence:
"Mom used to brestfeed me and sister untill we were four."

And then I stopped. I have no idea if this is acceptable. Or is it pushing it too far? I know I don't mean anything sexual by it, but could anyone get rubbed the wrond way by this?
I'd appreciate your opinion.

I think it's fine because breast feeding is a non-sexual activity.

 

[oggbashan]

I think it's fine because breast feeding is a non-sexual activity.

But not if the breast feeding went on to an unusually late age.

In the movie The Last Emperor the emperor, as a child, was breastfed into late childhood. It actually happened but the movie's use of it was to demonstrate how unusual his upbringing was. He was totally divorced from normal society.

 

[lovecraft68]

Hmm....you know my first reaction was to agree with it should be fine because breast feeding is not a sexual act...

However, because you're writing a hucow story which is based on lactating, breast feeding does feed that fetish. It shouldn't in the context of young children, but you never know.

best bet is to submit it and see, maybe if you want put something in the notes field explaining it.

 

[Nezhul]

Ah, putting it in the notes is a good idea. I guess I'll do that, and if it's no good by Laurel's opinion, I can just erase two sentences and it won't affect the story much. Not like it's an essential point.

 

[Domesticity]

Because it's a hucow story you're probably using it to indicate it's a reason this person has fetishisized breastfeeding which can then invoke sexual thoughts about a 4 year old breastfeeding. To be clear, breastfeeding a 4 year old is still not a sexual act. What you're implying, apparently, will make the reader imagine a 4 year old engaging in a sexual act so I'd say omit. (I'd venture to guess that someone who wasn't nursed would be way more likely to have a hucow fetish than someone who had plenty and weaned on their own).

 

[KindofHere]

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[Hard_Rom]

Not in context with a hucow story. Strikes to close to home. Corporal punishment of children was once acceptable. Story of spanking teen girl would come across as sexual in a discipline story.

"breast fed until later than most' would be better.

 

[NotWise]

Because it's a hucow story you're probably using it to indicate it's a reason this person has fetishisized breastfeeding which can then invoke sexual thoughts about a 4 year old breastfeeding. To be clear, breastfeeding a 4 year old is still not a sexual act. What you're implying, apparently, will make the reader imagine a 4 year old engaging in a sexual act so I'd say omit. (I'd venture to guess that someone who wasn't nursed would be way more likely to have a hucow fetish than someone who had plenty and weaned on their own).

Breastfeeding might be more sexual than you think--though probably not for the child.

Some women are aroused by the act and I've read letters from women who admitted to breastfeeding children past their 3rd birthday because of the arousal. My wife is a former midwife, birth and lactation coach, and childbirth trainer (now an RN). She told me that if women didn't get something from breastfeeding then there would be less of it. Breastfeeding (at least in the US) has become somewhat stigmatized and in most contexts it's no longer necessary.

 

[Nezhul]

Yea, but doesn't like "Later than most" still refers to children?
Or do you mean that it refers to smaller children who can be less easily sexualized?

I'm confused.

 

[Domesticity]

Breastfeeding might be more sexual than you think--though probably not for the child.

Some women are aroused by the act and I've read letters from women who admitted to breastfeeding children past their 3rd birthday because of the arousal. My wife is a former midwife, birth and lactation coach, and childbirth trainer (now an RN). She told me that if women didn't get something from breastfeeding then there would be less of it. Breastfeeding (at least in the US) has become somewhat stigmatized and in most contexts it's no longer necessary.

If a woman is turned on by breastfeeding and continues to do it because of this sexual gratification then she is molesting her kid. Just because a child molester chooses to use breastfeeding as a way to victimize her child does not mean breastfeeding is sexual, it means some sick person is turning something nonsexual into something disgusting.

 

[NotWise]

If a woman is turned on by breastfeeding and continues to do it because of this sexual gratification then she is molesting her kid. Just because a child molester chooses to use breastfeeding as a way to victimize her child does not mean breastfeeding is sexual, it means some sick person is turning something nonsexual into something disgusting.

I've always taken that view, though this may be somewhat of an overstatement.

Getting back to the OP, that means that relating "I was breastfed until I was four" is similar to saying "I was molested as a child."

 

[Nezhul]

If a woman is turned on by breastfeeding and continues to do it because of this sexual gratification then she is molesting her kid.

No it doesn't.
If she'd force her child to feed on her, then yes, perhaps.
But if the child wants to breastfeed then it's completely okay. It's much WORSE if she were to stop breastfeeding because she felt guilty, because in fact mother's milk is very beneficial to the growing child, and many doctors promote breastfeeding as long as possible.

As for sexual desire, It's just the way how women are wired. Their arousal and milking reflex are interlinked heavily. She just can't stop feeling those things. It's wrong to let the child suffer by denying him milking because she feels aroused. It's not like she'd ever done something harmful to the child.

Getting back to the OP, that means that relating "I was breastfed until I was four" is similar to saying "I was molested as a child."

That's just insulting on so many levels. You are a fucking mysogynist and a moron if you think like that.
Next you will claim that women are molesting their children by imprisoning them in their belly for 9 months for their sick amusement. Way to go, Pedofinder General.

Women who brestfeed their children for longer are MOLESTING them? WTF? You take the most beautiful and loving maternal instinct and pervert it because you have some garbage in your head!

 

[HandsInTheDark]

You are a fucking mysogynist and a moron if you think like that.

Justifiable or not, this is how threads get closed. This is a return to the bad old days of AH, pre-mod.

We're writers here. Edit your post to express your opinion more artfully, without making claims you can't prove.

 

[Nezhul]

Let this thread be closed then. This is what I think of narrow-minded people like him.

I am offended. Why don't he delete his post to rid this thread of such bullshit? Then I would edit mine.

And how can I not prove them? Saying those things is misogyny. There's no going around it. And it's also so stupid and based on nothing, that I can safely call him a moron for that.

This thread is resolved enough for me, I have heard a few very good opinions. I can make my judgment based on that. If the mods feel the need to close the thread because of my words and not the crap that man is blabbering - feel free.
But it's not right to just let such statements slide and ignore them. If you see garbage - throw in in a trash bin.

 

[NotWise]

Let this thread be closed then. This is what I think of narrow-minded people like him.

I am offended. Why don't he delete his post to rid this thread of such bullshit? Then I would edit mine.

And how can I not prove them? Saying those things is misogyny. There's no going around it. And it's also so stupid and based on nothing, that I can safely call him a moron for that.

This thread is resolved enough for me, I have heard a few very good opinions. I can make my judgment based on that. If the mods feel the need to close the thread because of my words and not the crap that man is blabbering - feel free.
But it's not right to just let such statements slide and ignore them. If you see garbage - throw in in a trash bin.

It's getting a little late in Ekaterinburg, isn't it?

I don't believe I've ever been called a misogynist before, and some of the other things I've been called here are pretty rare.

 

[Domesticity]

Reread my post. If a woman breastfeeds a child because it turns her on that is, imo, a sexual violation of said child. I believe a child should be nursed until he or she weans without being forcefully weaned. I've seen a 6 year old nurse and thought it was perfectly normal because it was obviously not for the sexual pleasure of the mom.

 

[Bramblethorn]

And then I stopped. I have no idea if this is acceptable. Or is it pushing it too far? I know I don't mean anything sexual by it, but could anyone get rubbed the wrond way by this?
I'd appreciate your opinion.

I wouldn't normally consider breastfeeding as sexual content, but in a story based on a breastfeeding fetish that's another matter. If it were me I'd leave that out.

Side note: babies who are breastfed generally have better health outcomes, but causation ain't correlation. You'd probably find that babies who are brought home from the hospital in a Rolls-Royce grow up healthier than average too - not because a Rolls is good for the baby, but because the kind of parents who can afford a Rolls can also afford to look after their child.

Breastfeeding does have genuine health benefits, and it's very important in places where the water supply isn't safe. But by my understanding (don't have a cite handy) many of the other benefits that are statistically associated with breastfeeding aren't caused by it; it's that Rolls-Royce effect. Parents who are enthusiastic and have time to spend looking after their kids are more likely to breastfeed, and also more likely to do other stuff that's good for the kid.

(I mention this because people who can't breastfeed for one reason or another are often made to feel like formula = child abuse, and that really isn't fair.)

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Let this thread be closed then. This is what I think of narrow-minded people like him.

I am offended. Why don't he delete his post to rid this thread of such bullshit? Then I would edit mine.

And how can I not prove them? Saying those things is misogyny. There's no going around it. And it's also so stupid and based on nothing, that I can safely call him a moron for that.

This thread is resolved enough for me, I have heard a few very good opinions. I can make my judgment based on that. If the mods feel the need to close the thread because of my words and not the crap that man is blabbering - feel free.
But it's not right to just let such statements slide and ignore them. If you see garbage - throw in in a trash bin.

I personally have had more than a bellyful of people here making confident assertions about others which are entirely fact free, including assertions of pedophilia, abuse, gay hate, being a rapist, miso-some-gender, etc.. All over things people have typed. It eventually got so bad a moderator had to be appointed.

If you don't like what someone has to say, you put them on ignore. It's not hard to learn to do this and it's an effective solution. And much easier than the better alternative, which is to shake your head, hold your tongue and move on. I have half a dozen people on ignore, and the main reason is they comfidently assert false facts and don't recant when called on it.

You can call someone a moron when you have their IQ tested. In the meantime, all you've done is encourage a fight between someone who thinks protecting children is important and someone who thinks a mother's right to feed her child as works best for her is important. It's an unwinnable fight and either of your optinions about is it completely meaningless. If you really want to argue, learn about Private Messages.

You can't delete other people's posts, so ranting about them is not "putting them in the trash". It's stirring it up, getting more people sucked into a poiintless argument, and getting potentially useful threads locked. You accomplish nothing with your actions but bringing down the value of the neighborhood.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Children are supposed to be weaned when they can eat solid food. Why prolong it? Is it for the health of the child or other reasons? World wide the average is 2-4 years. But much of this is due to shortages of food. Breastfeeding also delays a return to fertility. In Western cultures it can bring criticism. If done entirely for the benefit of the child it is acceptable. Any other reason, crosses lines.

As a natural healthy food source for children it has no place in a fetish story. I'm now thinking it should not even be mentioned.

 

[Nezhul]

If you don't like what someone has to say, you put them on ignore. It's not hard to learn to do this and it's an effective solution.

Ignoring bullshit is not a solution. It only lets the problem develop and spread further, to a point where you can't ignore it anymore but it's already too late to do anything about it.
I strongly disagree with a policy of ignooring things and letting them go. It always backfires in the end.

Why prolong it? Is it for the health of the child or other reasons?

Today many doctors advise to feed the child as long as it wants to be fed milk. If the child reaches out for it this means it still gets beneficial nutrients from this.
That's how I heard it anyway.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Ignoring bullshit is not a solution. It only lets the problem develop and spread further, to a point where you can't ignore it anymore but it's already too late to do anything about it.
I strongly disagree with a policy of ignooring things and letting them go. It always backfires in the end.

Oh look, it's still September.

(If you understand this 20+ year old reference, you were a VERY early user of the internets.)

You're on ignore. Fights will go wherever you do and I'm uninterested in watching.

 

[TamLin01]

Breastfeeding is not a sexual act, for a mother or for a child. Even at four, it's not sex, it's not sexualized, and it's not a fetish. It's fine.

In fact, even if it WAS sex, referencing it years later in the story, in the off the cuff way that you've presented it here, would be all right.

But it's not. So that's it.