Mean People, in Today's Society

LittleJade

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This thread is inspired partially by an event that occurred recently, and partially by a book that I'm reading right now, called "Cunt" by Inga Muscio.

The point of this thread isn't to whine or to garner attention- it's to illustrate that meanness is rampant in today's society... and that people have become complacent about it. Apathetic. They shrug, accept it, and get on with things. And that is NOT cool, no matter how you slice it.

It should NOT be okay for someone to treat another person poorly, without any form of punishment. It should NOT be okay for someone to be rude to another person, or cruel, or violent, without society as a whole being disgusted with them. "Give them an inch and they'll take a mile"... allow someone to be rude to you, and they will continue to push the envelope. Allow a society of "someones" to be rude, and crude and mean and cruel, and we end up with violence... simply because society as a whole is not policing itself well enough.

The event that inspired this thread occurred last week. It was lunch-time, and I'd gone down to my favourite little Italian cafe for a panini and a chai. The paninis are grilled while you wait, so you get freshly melted cheese on your sammich. I was standing at the counter, waiting for my sandwich, while other people placed their orders (completely out of the way), when this family came in. Mom, Dad, and three unruly, undisciplined, rude boys. The boys budged in front of people, they made comments about the elderly people in the place, they were loud (in an otherwise rather lovely environment), and they were spoiled. I said nothing, hoping that the owner of the place would say something. Nothing was said. I should have spoken, but did not. This, however, is not the end of this little story, but merely the introduction. This family was not from my city, or even my country. They were from down south, in the great state of Texas... as you could see by their baseball hats, belt buckles, and the patch sewn onto the backpack of one of the children. The three boys were roly poly kids- not thin, but not horribly fat, either. Dad proceeded to purchase 3 chocolate filled croissants and 3 hot chocolates piled with whipped cream- one of each for each child. As the hot chocolates were prepared, they were placed on the counter near me, for the Dad to pick up and hand to his children. As he reached for one, he said, loudly enough for the ENTIRE shop to hear, "Would you fucking MOVE, WIDE LOAD!" I was stunned. I turned and looked at him, more shocked than livid, while the entire shop went silent. The woman at the counter asked the man to apologize, and he responded with "WHY?! She's so fat she's taking up the entire shop". My sandwich was ready at that point, so I took it and left, aware that not one person in the shop had argued after his second outburst, and that the shop had continued to serve the man. I will not be going back to that cafe- they've not earned my patronage.

My point here, is that not one person who'd been sitting in the cafe, had said something to this rude man. His WIFE didn't even say something. The shop owner continued to serve the man and his family, and everyone stayed in their seats. Maybe I'm too idealistic, but had I been serving in the shop, I'd have refused the man service. I would have asked him and his family to leave. Had I been a customer in the shop, I would have asked the man to leave. I would have come to the defense of the person being picked on- not that I needed defending... but I wouldn't have just sat there, and let it slide.

It is NOT OKAY that people get away with this kind of thing. This man openly insulted someone, IN FRONT OF HIS CHILDREN. He was not shunned, not kicked out, not disciplined in any way, which makes him, and his children think that it's OKAY to treat someone like that. And what will his children do with this knowledge, I wonder?

When people are jerks, we need to CALL THEM ON IT. We need to ask that they have a little decency. We need to demand an apology. Meanness should never be tolerated. Rudeness is NEVER okay.

I talk to people all day, every day, in my work. I have been on the receiving end of all colours of rudeness. And I have never tolerated it. I will correct someone who is spouting off on inaccurate information. I will hang up on a person who is cursing at me (I will warn them first that if they continue to swear, I will hang up). I will not be rude. I will not accept rudeness. Often, once I have hung up on an irate client, they will call back later, and apologize. A good lesson is learned- it is NOT OKAY TO TREAT SOMEONE POORLY.

I began this thread as a way to work out frustrations, yes... but also as a forum on meanness, on cruelty. This is a thread that I hope will receive contributions and stories of other meanness you've witnessed or experienced, because those who are being mean or rude or cruel, DESERVE to be made public, DESERVE to be ridiculed, and DESERVE to be shunned.
 
Meanness is the two people you thought were your best friends in the entire world talking shit about you to anyone that will listen. i'm not just talking about "nikki is a fat whore." i'm talking about personal, intimate things that you shared with them in trust and faith...personal business...those "dark" secrets that no one else knows.

Meanness is one half of those two people pretending like they have no idea what is going on when you call her so upset you can barely breathe...while she pretends like nothing is happening and you are still her BFF...
 
On the show Reaper, the DMV is a direct portal to hell. I believe it! I've been there twice this month.

I must say they hire people who seem to become mean or are already mean. I think they work in mean conditions and become soulless.

I swear they take pleasure in making people get in yet another line or having to fill out yet another form and so on.

It's truly a hellish place on earth with Mean People on both sides of the desks and lines that last an eternity.

*shudder*
 
Meanness is the two people you thought were your best friends in the entire world talking shit about you to anyone that will listen. i'm not just talking about "nikki is a fat whore." i'm talking about personal, intimate things that you shared with them in trust and faith...personal business...those "dark" secrets that no one else knows.

Meanness is one half of those two people pretending like they have no idea what is going on when you call her so upset you can barely breathe...while she pretends like nothing is happening and you are still her BFF...

See, now, this is one of those situations where we need to CALL THEM OUT on it. That's bullshit, Nikki. Complete bullshit that they would treat you that way.

I'm sorry.
 
See, now, this is one of those situations where we need to CALL THEM OUT on it. That's bullshit, Nikki. Complete bullshit that they would treat you that way.

I'm sorry.

i have called them out in every way i possibly can without sacrificing my OWN dignity. However, it's one of those "closing the barn door after the horse has already escaped" scenarios...Damage done..you know?!?!

I just keep reminding myself that I could stoop to their level and trash them back, or I can hold my head up high and conduct myself as a lady. I am choosing to be a lady. In the end, their karma will catch up to them, and I will still be happy.
 
LittleJade - I'm so sorry that happened to you. What a pig, seriously.

I think I would probably be shell-shocked in that situation, but reading your post is a good reminder to snap out of it and say something.
 
LittleJade - I'm so sorry that happened to you. What a pig, seriously.

I think I would probably be shell-shocked in that situation, but reading your post is a good reminder to snap out of it and say something.

I would have said something, had I had the wearwithall (sp?) to do it. I was shocked, too. And I know that others in the place were shocked, but still, it's NOT okay that someone got away with that, and was still served. Y'know?
 
I would have said something, had I had the wearwithall (sp?) to do it. I was shocked, too. And I know that others in the place were shocked, but still, it's NOT okay that someone got away with that, and was still served. Y'know?

Totally. I think if it were me, I would get pissed off and say f you, but maybe not. I might run out of there crying. I mean, it all depends. But if it's someone else, I would be worried that maybe that person doesn't want me to bring attention to her - or what do you say. But man, if I had my kid there, and I didn't say anything, I would feel like a total asshole.
 
I live in a remote, rural place, and can't imagine this happening without someone standing up and objecting in a loud voice, "What the fuck is going on here!" or something to that effect. Really, we need to police each other, to let people know when they have gone 'round the bend. Hard to to do, but necessary.
 
As evidenced by the people in the cafe who just sat by and did or said nothing... we are a society that tolerates bad behavior. We tolerate it everywhere and all the time. And because it's tolerated, mean people are empowered to continue it.

I'm stopping there with my comments. I think it's obvious where this can and should go as a discussion and I hope it does. I'll be interested to read it.
 
My God, if he acts that way in public there is little hope for his sons.
 
My God, if he acts that way in public there is little hope for his sons.

Not necessarily. Just because the father is a complete boor doesn't mean the children are doomed to be. Some of the kindest, most considerate people I know were made so by the concious decision NOT to be like their parents. Hopefully those boys will make the choice to recognize that the way their parents act in public is unacceptable and not to emmulate them.

My concern is this; if the father feels free enough to act this way in public, then how does he act at home?
 
There may be many reasons people dont respond. Maybe some were just as shocked as you. Maybe some were afraid of physical retribution if they interfered. That I think that's a more severe comment on modern society, is that you never know if you stand up for someone if they other person is going to be armed or violent.

I think it's awful that it happened to you. I think it's awful that no one stood up for you. I'd like to think I'd step in but I dont know if I would... out of fear.

It seems that at the root of meanness is ignorance and a lack of common decency
 
Littlejade, Hottiemama it is horrible that you went through that. We really do live in a "me" society and too few people take the time to look beyond their own nose even to see their own reflection. When I've found myself in positions where people illustrate their meanness or rudeness (and between work and personal I've encountered it numerous times) I take the highroad, but I point it out. Maybe because I deal with it so often at work I can detach myself. I don't resort to replying with name calling or yelling to a complete stranger. I will simply point out that their behavior is unacceptable and move on. If it's a friend, depending on the offense I will give them the opportunity to correct it. If they don't, they are gone. I feel nothing other than temporary disappointment. I don't waste time hating them. Why give someone the power to effect you when they don't deserve it? Immediate family (including relationships) of course is a different situation. I'll freely be emotional to them when I stand up for myself, but they deserve it.
 
As always, Gandhi is a good example, which I think is what madetotakeit and others are saying. There's never any need or value in hating others. Better to understand them. But that doesn't mean for a minute accepting their behavior. I think we need to stand up for good behavior and against the bad -- and to do so without any hate in our hearts.

Sounds over the top. But it's not. It's just a good way of being.
 
As always, Gandhi is a good example, which I think is what madetotakeit and others are saying. There's never any need or value in hating others. Better to understand them. But that doesn't mean for a minute accepting their behavior. I think we need to stand up for good behavior and against the bad -- and to do so without any hate in our hearts.

Sounds over the top. But it's not. It's just a good way of being.

Absolutely. It helps to consider Karma or what I have seen that seems to have something to it, the Wiccan belief of threefold. The universe has a way of balancing itself. It's never let me down so far and I never have that need to look away from what I see in the mirror.
 
I have often thought that a lot of the rudeness today comes from TV sitcoms. In many of these shows, it is considered funny when people make extremely rude comments, and particularly so when kids do.
 
I think it is a symptom of society's overall loss of manners, dignity and pride in themselves and those around them. While we live in a time when everyone's rights are supposed to be respected and most have an opportunity to make a better life for themselves than their parents and grandparents could, part of the road to getting here has resulted in tossing out manners and an acceptable code of behaviour in favour of loud and uncouth. Apart from Buddhism, I have since I was about 12 always had a copy of Desiderata in my life whether it be a bookmark, wall hanging, recording and have pretty much felt it described how I live my life and wish to live it...especially the parts about avoiding loud and aggressive people...it never fails to bring me a sense of peace to read or recite in my head, but is a fading way of life for many. For anyone who does not know it, if that is possible, here is a copy....

"Desiderata"

"Go placidly amid the noise and the haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.

As far as possible, without surrender,
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even to the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive persons;
they are vexatious to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain or bitter,
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.

Exercise caution in your business affairs,
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals,
and everywhere life is full of heroism.
Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love,
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment,
it is as perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be.
And whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life,
keep peace in your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
"

(by Max Ehrmann)



http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1057/535031040_bdca3d0767_t.jpg Catalina
 
This thread is inspired partially by an event that occurred recently, and partially by a book that I'm reading right now, called "Cunt" by Inga Muscio.

The point of this thread isn't to whine or to garner attention- it's to illustrate that meanness is rampant in today's society... and that people have become complacent about it. Apathetic. They shrug, accept it, and get on with things. And that is NOT cool, no matter how you slice it.

It should NOT be okay for someone to treat another person poorly, without any form of punishment. It should NOT be okay for someone to be rude to another person, or cruel, or violent, without society as a whole being disgusted with them. "Give them an inch and they'll take a mile"... allow someone to be rude to you, and they will continue to push the envelope. Allow a society of "someones" to be rude, and crude and mean and cruel, and we end up with violence... simply because society as a whole is not policing itself well enough.

The event that inspired this thread occurred last week. It was lunch-time, and I'd gone down to my favourite little Italian cafe for a panini and a chai. The paninis are grilled while you wait, so you get freshly melted cheese on your sammich. I was standing at the counter, waiting for my sandwich, while other people placed their orders (completely out of the way), when this family came in. Mom, Dad, and three unruly, undisciplined, rude boys. The boys budged in front of people, they made comments about the elderly people in the place, they were loud (in an otherwise rather lovely environment), and they were spoiled. I said nothing, hoping that the owner of the place would say something. Nothing was said. I should have spoken, but did not. This, however, is not the end of this little story, but merely the introduction. This family was not from my city, or even my country. They were from down south, in the great state of Texas... as you could see by their baseball hats, belt buckles, and the patch sewn onto the backpack of one of the children. The three boys were roly poly kids- not thin, but not horribly fat, either. Dad proceeded to purchase 3 chocolate filled croissants and 3 hot chocolates piled with whipped cream- one of each for each child. As the hot chocolates were prepared, they were placed on the counter near me, for the Dad to pick up and hand to his children. As he reached for one, he said, loudly enough for the ENTIRE shop to hear, "Would you fucking MOVE, WIDE LOAD!" I was stunned. I turned and looked at him, more shocked than livid, while the entire shop went silent. The woman at the counter asked the man to apologize, and he responded with "WHY?! She's so fat she's taking up the entire shop". My sandwich was ready at that point, so I took it and left, aware that not one person in the shop had argued after his second outburst, and that the shop had continued to serve the man. I will not be going back to that cafe- they've not earned my patronage.

My point here, is that not one person who'd been sitting in the cafe, had said something to this rude man. His WIFE didn't even say something. The shop owner continued to serve the man and his family, and everyone stayed in their seats. Maybe I'm too idealistic, but had I been serving in the shop, I'd have refused the man service. I would have asked him and his family to leave. Had I been a customer in the shop, I would have asked the man to leave. I would have come to the defense of the person being picked on- not that I needed defending... but I wouldn't have just sat there, and let it slide.

It is NOT OKAY that people get away with this kind of thing. This man openly insulted someone, IN FRONT OF HIS CHILDREN. He was not shunned, not kicked out, not disciplined in any way, which makes him, and his children think that it's OKAY to treat someone like that. And what will his children do with this knowledge, I wonder?

...i'm sorry this happened to you, i remember you had a similar incident at a sub/sandwich shop that involved a group of males that made derogatory comments about your appearance, and how no one even came to your aid:(

pet:rose:
 
...i'm sorry this happened to you, i remember you had a similar incident at a sub/sandwich shop that involved a group of males that made derogatory comments about your appearance, and how no one even came to your aid:(

pet:rose:

I had forgotten that one. It happened outside, rather than in a shop.. on my way back from it.





Catalina- My mom gave me a copy of the Desiderata when I turned 16- her mom had given her a copy when she turned 16, and I recently gave a copy of it to a dear friend's daughter on her 16th birthday.

I think it's a wonderfully powerful, poignant piece of work.
 
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