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Calamity Jane

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Or, what exactly IS a 'suspected terrorist' and do I need to censor myself online?

Bush Signs Anti-Terrorism Bill

By JESSE J. HOLLAND
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (Oct. 26) - President Bush on Friday signed a sweeping anti-terrorism bill into law, giving police and intelligence agencies vast new powers to ''counter a threat like no other our nation has ever faced.''

''Today, we take an essential step in defeating terrorists while protecting the constitutional rights of all Americans,'' Bush said in an East Room ceremony even as the government grappled with a series of anthrax cases that may be linked to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

''This government will enforce this law with all the urgency of a nation at war,'' Bush said.

The legislation, while somewhat weakened from the administration's original proposal, expands the FBI's wiretapping and electronic surveillance authority and imposes stronger penalties for harboring or financing terrorists. It increases the number of crimes considered terrorist acts and toughens the punishment for committing them.

The bill also gives police wide-ranging new anti-terrorism powers to secretly search people's homes and business records and to eavesdrop on telephone and computer conversations.

''This law will give intelligence and law enforcement officials new tools to fight a present danger,'' Bush said.

The ceremony, attended by Vice President Dick Cheney, lawmakers and uniformed law enforcement officials, came one day after Attorney General John Ashcroft said the Justice Department will begin using the new powers immediately.

''Upon the president's signature, I will direct investigators and prosecutors to begin immediately seeking court orders to intercept communications related to an expanded list of crimes under the legislation,'' he said.

Lawmakers, worried about possible abuse of the new wiretapping and surveillance powers, placed a four-year cap on that part of the legislation.

''It gives us the time to investigate whether there were any outrageous abuses,'' Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said.

The House and Senate approved Bush's anti-terrorism package in less than two months, skipping much of the normal committee process in their haste. Lawmakers say they still came up with a good bill.

''The gestation period has been a few weeks. But it's a heck of a lot better than to have given birth to a monster, and we didn't do that,'' said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., the Senate Judiciary Committee chairman.

Critics disagreed. ''It is still dangerous legislation, and unfortunately there are still too many weaknesses in the bill that could end up curbing and infringing fundamental civil rights and liberties,'' said Ralph Neas, president of the liberal People For the American Way.

Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., was the only senator to vote against the package. ''This bill does not strike the right balance between empowering law enforcement and protecting civil liberties,'' Feingold said.

Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, senior Republican on the Judiciary Committee, retorted: ''I don't know anybody in this country who's afraid of their law enforcement people at this time. They're afraid of terrorism.''

The new legislation allows nationwide jurisdiction for search warrants and electronic surveillance devices, including legal expansion of those devices to e-mail and the Internet. It also authorizes the use of roving wiretaps, in which officials get orders that allow them to tap whatever telephone a person uses instead of one telephone at a time.

Senators also insisted on tacking money-laundering stipulations into the bill to thwart the flow of money to terrorist groups and protect the U.S. banking system from illicit money.

The House inserted an expiration date for the new wiretapping and electronic surveillance powers. Under the bill, Congress has to renew the anti-terrorism legislation before Dec. 31, 2005, or the eavesdropping sections expire.

Ashcroft and Bush fought strongly against that provision, but Republican leaders in the House told them the bill could not muster a majority without it.

AP-NY-10-26-01 1150EDT

Copyright 2001 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.
 
Am I the only one to think the title: Director of Homeland Security sounds fascist?

What if it was Director of Motherland Security, is that communistic?
Director of Fatherland Security? German fascist.
Where does the phrase "homeland" enter into the lexicon of Americana?
 
Marxist said:
Am I the only one to think the title: Director of Homeland Security sounds fascist?

What if it was Director of Motherland Security, is that communistic?
Director of Fatherland Security? German fascist.
Where does the phrase "homeland" enter into the lexicon of Americana?

no, you're not the only one who is bothered by the title of that office. it's just a wee bit disturbing to a lot of us.

just wait until Resident Shrub lets Herr Ashcroft loose with this new law... let the inquisition begin!
 
The feds have bought 30,000 acres in New Mexico just to fence in Pagan Cows. I'd be afraid. Very afraid.
 
I don't think so

in case no has noticed
WE ARE AT WAR HERE!
one of the first things that goes in a war is civil liberties.
Then where do you think that terrorists are going to hide?
anywhere they can.
I will agree that there could be some instances of abuse, however, we can't have it both ways.
We want justice, but we don't want to be incovinced by the pursuit of it.
We want to be free to do everything
but want to cry foul when someone says, this may not be the time for that.
 
Re: I don't think so

IA951 said:
in case no has noticed
WE ARE AT WAR HERE!

Really? I thought you were in the business of hitting Red Cross food warehouses...

Never mind the Brits are coming...

:D
 
Re: Re: I don't think so

p_p_man said:


Really? I thought you were in the business of hitting Red Cross food warehouses...

Never mind the Brits are coming...

:D
[/QUOTE

As if the British never made mistakes.
I think you fail to recognize that this war affects you as much as it affects us...
 
Re: I don't think so

IA951 said:
in case no has noticed
WE ARE AT WAR HERE!
one of the first things that goes in a war is civil liberties.
Then where do you think that terrorists are going to hide?
anywhere they can.
I will agree that there could be some instances of abuse, however, we can't have it both ways.
We want justice, but we don't want to be incovinced by the pursuit of it.
We want to be free to do everything
but want to cry foul when someone says, this may not be the time for that.


Easy for you to say...I doubt you are an Arab-American as I am.Frankly I don't care to be roughed up because of my ancestry.The USA is better than that...I thought.


CH
 
Re: I don't think so

IA951 said:
in case no has noticed
WE ARE AT WAR HERE!
one of the first things that goes in a war is civil liberties.
Then where do you think that terrorists are going to hide?
anywhere they can.
I will agree that there could be some instances of abuse, however, we can't have it both ways.
We want justice, but we don't want to be incovinced by the pursuit of it.
We want to be free to do everything
but want to cry foul when someone says, this may not be the time for that.


You are AT WAR ? For me, it looked more like a personal vendetta...shall all the evil doers piss their pants.

Civil liberties go down the drain and that is normal ?

So what are u fighting for in Afghanistan ?
 
Re: Re: I don't think so

Gaultier said:



You are AT WAR ? For me, it looked more like a personal vendetta...shall all the evil doers piss their pants.

Civil liberties go down the drain and that is normal ?

So what are u fighting for in Afghanistan ?

First of all I was speaking to AMERICANS
second, what do you think WE are fighting for?
Terrorism knows no bounds
It's very sad indeed that AMERICA had to discover it this way, but better late than never I guess.
So be netural all you want.
 
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