Manufacturing & textile jobs gone overseas. R&D jobs now bleeding overseas.

[LJ_Reloaded]

What kind of jobs will America have in the future once cheap labor abroad has moved everything up to and including burger joint order-taking jobs?

Is unrestricted Capitalism the new tool for First World population control?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

America is an oligarchy of bankers who control the government via their control of the distribution of money and the value of government bonds. This means the banks will continue to gamble depositor's money. If they win they keep the profits, if they lose taxpayers foot another round of bailouts.

GM reports its sales of Cadillacs are up 83% from last year; its sales of Chevys are down 22%.

So where we're going is a society of elites and peasants, like Romania or Alabania under communist rule.

LJ youre gonna be back in the cotton fields befo you know it! Liftin' barges, totin' bales, gettin drunk, and goin' to jail.

 

[squarejohn]

What kind of jobs will America have in the future once cheap labor abroad has moved everything up to and including burger joint order-taking jobs?

Is unrestricted Capitalism the new tool for First World population control?

Are you just now noticing that jobs are moving abroad? This has been going on since the 1950's. The principle reason for this is because of government regulations and eye-popping tax bills. The policies of the Obama regime are designed to turn the situation from "bad" to "hopeless."

But America has been in the deep shit before and came out of it better than ever. We'll get through this situation, too.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Are you just now noticing that jobs are moving abroad? This has been going on since the 1950's. The principle reason for this is because of government regulations and eye-popping tax bills.

Untrue. It's wages.

Even if we had a zero tax rate and zero regulations*, we're still at a fatal disadvantage when it comes to the difference in American and Chinese wages.

As for tax rates, if tax rates are so high then why does 1% of America hold a third of the nation's wealth?

For America to compete against China and India we need to lower our standard of living. Or raise tariffs. Cutting taxes and regulations will only result in more collapsing mines, dead workers, unbreathable air and undrinkable water. And jobs will still be going overseas.


* Ever try to breathe the open air in Linfeng, China? It's like smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day. That's what you get when you cut regulations.

 

[squarejohn]

As for tax rates, if tax rates are so high then why does 1% of America hold a third of the nation's wealth?

* Ever try to breathe the open air in Linfeng, China? It's like smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day. That's what you get when you cut regulations.

Typical liberal debate tactic. When faced with a knowledgeable opponent, change the subject by asking irrelevant questions. I won't fall for that.

Come on LJ. I don't think you're a stupid guy. Can't you do better than that?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Typical liberal debate tactic. When faced with a knowledgeable opponent, change the subject by asking irrelevant questions. I won't fall for that.

Come on LJ. I don't think you're a stupid guy. Can't you do better than that?

Typical Conservative debate tactic: when your argument is contradicted by the facts, go "la la la la la la la la!"

It's not irrelevant that the rich own 33% of all the wealth in America. It totally devastates your claim that we're overtaxed. You can't be overtaxed if you end up with a third of the nation's wealth when all the taxing is said and done. Your claim that America is overtaxed is bullshit.

Your claim that we are overregulated is also bullshit. Like I said, if you don't like our regulations, try living in China. You'll eventually choke to death over their unregulated air. Highly relevant, indeed.


Oh and you played another typical Conservative debate tactic: you ran away from me when I put you to the grinder over the fact that it's the differences in WAGES, not taxes or regulations, that cause offshoring. Do the numbers, man. The wage differences outweigh everything else. But you knew that; which is why you were so scared to address it.

You'll just scream "irrelevant! irrelevant!" and close your eyes and ears and run crying back to the Heritage Foundation and Von Mises. All of whom I keep close track of.

 

[amicus]

Pooper Scoopers in New York City Protest! Alert the Media!

As went the horse trade, along with carriage and harness makers, blacksmiths, even horse breeders, buyers and sellers across the nation, that damned automobile put millions of honest, hard working people out of work!

Repeal the automobile!

Amazingly enough, so too the 'iron age' of Detroit Steel and the coal barges on the Great Lakes, were priced out by Japan and Korea as they produced better quality machines at a lower price.

Fighting the transition to a 'service economy', post industrial, post horsie, only the feudal bound labor unions, in Detroit and government service union workers refused to change with the times, and, oops there went the auto industry, bump! (singalong song there)

Wages are a function of the free market place; employees seek the highest pay, employers seek the lowest. Thas the way things work in the free world folks, until, oops, there goes another biz overseas....Social Justice rears its' ugly head and creates the Nanny State of dependent social misfits who wish they were back two centuries ago.

Feel free to sing in harmony...."oops there goes another progressive pimp..."



amicus

 

[Dragonlipz]

Typical liberal debate tactic. When faced with a knowledgeable opponent, change the subject by asking irrelevant questions. I won't fall for that.

Come on LJ. I don't think you're a stupid guy. Can't you do better than that?

SJ - don't insult LJ intelligence.....you MIGHT NOT be stupid.....progressives are smart, conservatives are STOOPID.....thass the fax...........it don't take any brains to be conservative.....it does require a minimal IQ and an ability to apply some reasoning to be a liberal.
You should stick with the conservative stuff - it doesn't tax your meager resources........

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Pooper Scoopers in New York City Protest! Alert the Media!

As went the horse trade, along with carriage and harness makers, blacksmiths, even horse breeders, buyers and sellers across the nation, that damned automobile put millions of honest, hard working people out of work!

So MANY errors here, where to start...

First of all, your analogy states clearly that one technology is being replaced by another. Manufacturing and biotech research are not being replaced. Manufacturing and biotech research are still needed and is still being done. It is not the horse and cart being replaced by something new.

Second of all, your analogy suggests clearly that something new is coming to replace manufacturing and biotech research. You guys have been saying this for years. Yet nothing new has come. There is no new job boom coming.

Any new emerging industry, such as alternative energy, is emerging in China, not the United States. We're offshoring research and production of various components of solar energy systems to China already.

Fighting the transition to a 'service economy',

The service economy is going overseas.

We're fighting the transition to an economy where a handful of people have jobs.

 

[squarejohn]

SJ - don't insult LJ intelligence.....you MIGHT NOT be stupid.....progressives are smart, conservatives are STOOPID.....thass the fax...........it don't take any brains to be conservative.....it does require a minimal IQ and an ability to apply some reasoning to be a liberal.
You should stick with the conservative stuff - it doesn't tax your meager resources........

Yeah man...you right, man...conservatives know dat 2 and 2 is 4, man. Liberals know dat 2 and 2 is 4, too. The problem is...they just can't stand it... Yeah man...you right.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Yeah man...you right, man...conservatives know dat 2 and 2 is 4, man. Liberals know dat 2 and 2 is 4, too. The problem is...they just can't stand it... Yeah man...you right.

LOL, you totally ran away when challenged to show us how tax rates can be so high when the rich own a third of the nation's wealth.

Run, boy, run!

 

[squarejohn]

LOL, you totally ran away when challenged to show us how tax rates can be so high when the rich own a third of the nation's wealth.

Run, boy, run!

I think I understand now, what you're driving at. You think your check from the government will be bigger if the rich are forced to pay more taxes. Is that it? Hell man, I don't know. Why don't you ask your caseworker?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I think I understand now, what you're driving at. You think your check from the government will be bigger if the rich are forced to pay more taxes. Is that it? Hell man, I don't know. Why don't you ask your caseworker?

Hey stupid, I own a business. If the Government cuts my taxes to zero, I'm still OUT of business because the working class schmucks that I insure, have no assets to protect. If I'm paying 50% of my money in taxes, I could stay in business if those schmucks have ASSETS they want me to protect.

Get it yet? Ah yes, you can't, because you simply cannot think for yourself. You Republican-dominated areas of the world are the biggest users of welfare and us liberal areas of America are the biggest contributor of welfare dollars. If America agreed to cut all welfare the Red states would STARVE. Your right wing trailer park mates would be gnawing at your bones.

Now I'll say it again... show us how tax rates can be so high when the rich own a third of the nation's wealth.

Ah yes, you're so afraid of that question by now that this time you're going to run away for good.

You've gotten your ass kicked and all you can do about it is lash out like a hurt child.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

LJ

Youre right, of course; the highest tax brackets pay little/no taxes cuz their money is safely stored in instruments free from taxation. And thats whar we iz; if a bank or megacorp or individual doesnt like the rules they set up shop offshore, and Sam has to get his money from the rest of us.

High tax rates only snag lotto winners who know no better.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

LJ

Youre right, of course; the highest tax brackets pay little/no taxes cuz their money is safely stored in instruments free from taxation. And thats whar we iz; if a bank or megacorp or individual doesnt like the rules they set up shop offshore, and Sam has to get his money from the rest of us.

High tax rates only snag lotto winners who know no better.

And it's funny how some of these offshore tax havens have gone bankrupt. The Cayman Islands and Dubai come to mind; there will be more.

Would be nice if we cracked down on going offshore like that...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

LJ

Back in 1970 Francisco Franco made foreign companies build factories in Spain if they wanted to sell their wares in Spain. It was a solution that worked for Spaniards and the corporations. A Spanish Dodge cost less to build in Spain and cost less to buy, and they werent exported. Chrysler made money and people got jobs.

The Japanese do the same in America. Their cars are built here.

But American companies dont wanna do it cuz they can make tons of money goosing the paperwork to hide costs and slither around taxes. So we need to set limits with Microsoft and Boeing and HP and all the others. If they wanna build airplanes in China and sell them in China, great. But dont import your Chinese made airplanes to the USA. If HP wants to sell computers in the USA, then make them here.