manchin eying a presidential bid

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=83c33dba161e4fecb19d3d7f9c2e9c53&ei=81

"I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure, to mobilize that moderate sensible, common-sense middle," he said.

Manchin suggested that if he can "reinvigorate" the middle-of-the-road constituency, that would play a major role in whether he would launch a White House bid.

yes, he is a politician of many years' experience; does anyone trust him? i certainly wouldn't. If he could get himself up in the position of president (after all, if trump could do it why not this slimeball?), i could trust him to sell out the country if it meant furthering his own self-glorification.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Doubt he’s going to stop doing this stuff anytime soon

https://x.com/therecount/status/1724855867512705187?s=46&t=D4wPadUSm31flBzHVSwUxA

 

[Lazaran]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=83c33dba161e4fecb19d3d7f9c2e9c53&ei=81


yes, he is a politician of many years' experience; does anyone trust him? i certainly wouldn't. If he could get himself up in the position of president (after all, if trump could do it why not this slimeball?), i could trust him to sell out the country if it meant furthering his own self-glorification.

Joe "Maserati" Manchin always has an angle for self enrichment. I imagine he is receiving some monetary incentive to pursue his third party run.

*nods*

 

[butters]

Joe "Maserati" Manchin always has an angle for self enrichment. I imagine he is receiving some monetary incentive to pursue his third party run.

*nods*

it's a manchin/Romney tour to see if they can drum up enough support for a third party. I'd sooner see Romney than manchin, as Romney seems more genuine about his role as a politician even if i don't agree with a lot of the things he supports.

if it catches fire, will it draw more support from leaving-the-ship republicans or from President Biden?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

it's a manchin/Romney tour to see if they can drum up enough support for a third party. I'd sooner see Romney than manchin, as Romney seems more genuine about his role as a politician even if i don't agree with a lot of the things he supports.

if it catches fire, will it draw more support from leaving-the-ship republicans or from President Biden?

Unlike Manchin, Romney gave a hard no to the prospect of losing another presidential race when he announced his retirement back in September.

When asked about a joint ticket with Manchin on Monday, this was his tongue in cheek answer.

“Oh, my understanding is that America is clamoring for me to run again, just like 2008 and 2012.”

 

[rainsol]

Of course, his Im not running for the senate routine left no doubt. He is not going to be reelected in WV so he has to go find a new job ... They are all alike, feed at the public expenses and have no idea about real work.

 

[Lazaran]

it's a manchin/Romney tour to see if they can drum up enough support for a third party. I'd sooner see Romney than manchin, as Romney seems more genuine about his role as a politician even if i don't agree with a lot of the things he supports.

if it catches fire, will it draw more support from leaving-the-ship republicans or from President Biden?

Romney lost me forever when a woman at a town hall who was working three jobs and couldn’t make it asked him how he would help her.

Romney completely ignored her question and instead declared her the model American worker.

 

[Pad_Foot]

No!!

He will put us back into the age of coal.
That’s his goal., his coal profits
That barely gets him elected on a coal state
He is as bad as Pence supporting tobacco sales!!

Romney?? Lost me when he didn’t say shot about Trump ! Tooooo Late now

 

[Lazaran]

if it catches fire, will it draw more support from leaving-the-ship republicans or from President Biden?

In reply to this question: Every third party effort draws from President Biden more, because the corrupt orange traitor’s supporters (all republicans) are fanatics who will vote for that orange POS regardless.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[YDB95]

In reply to this question: Every third party effort draws from President Biden more, because the corrupt orange traitor’s supporters (all republicans) are fanatics who will vote for that orange POS regardless.

JFC

SAD!!!

I wouldn't be so sure. There are Republicans who don't like Trump, but are still wedded to the silly idea that progressive taxation is somehow socialistic. They'd vote for someone like Manchin.

 

[Lazaran]

I wouldn't be so sure. There are Republicans who don't like Trump, but are still wedded to the silly idea that progressive taxation is somehow socialistic. They'd vote for someone like Manchin.

Disagree.

"republicans" fall in line.

The gaslighting about the potential for "republicans" to vote third party is laughable.

The "republicans " want OTHER PEOPLE to believe they might vote third party so those OTHER PEOPLE will vote third party. Meanwhile, the "republicans" will fall in line and vote for the corrupt orange traitor just like the last two times.

It took the lowest third party buy in in recent history for President Biden to BARELY edge out the corrupt orange traitor in 2020.

That needs to happen again in 2024 for President Biden to have any chance of winning.

JMTCW

 

[YDB95]

The gaslighting about the potential for "republicans" to vote third party is laughable.

I find that's more true of independents who are really Republicans than of actual registered Republicans. The "I'm not a Republican but" crowd will fall in line for Trump, as you say, because they're more partisan than actual party members (who are at least honest with themselves about their partisanship). But Trump will need all the real Republicans to stay in line to have any chance of winning, and a sane conservative alternative could peel off a small but crucial share.

 

[Lazaran]

I find that's more true of independents who are really Republicans than of actual registered Republicans. The "I'm not a Republican but" crowd will fall in line for Trump, as you say, because they're more partisan than actual party members (who are at least honest with themselves about their partisanship). But Trump will need all the real Republicans to stay in line to have any chance of winning, and a sane conservative alternative could peel off a small but crucial share.

The number of "actual republicans" that came out for the corrupt orange traitor in 2020 tells me all I need to know.

The "republicans" are counting on third party candidates peeling away votes from President Biden and Democrats, while the "republicans" fall in line… like they ALWAYS DO.

I can only hope that "The Left" understands the game after what happened in 2016. - My confidence isn’t high that they do.

We shall see.

*nods*

 

[Dribble]

If Biden wasn't such a weak candidate...he would have no worries about any 3rd party stealing votes from him.

 

[LLCox]

Manchin will not run as a Third Party candidate.

 

[ByteMe13]

Dino Joe wouldn‘t win his own state much less any others. he isn’t running for reelection to the Senate because he knows he will lose.
maybe he thinks that if he helps Orange Jesus regain the throne, he will get a cabinet position.

 

[YDB95]

If Biden wasn't such a weak candidate...he would have no worries about any 3rd party stealing votes from him.

You mean like Al Gore didn't? Give me a break...

 

[ByteMe13]

Manchin: “I think if Donald Trump is elected, he will destroy democracy in America.”

Hence, Manchin is considering a 3rd party run for President so he can help Trump get elected.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

This explains why Joe Manchin, Dean Phillips, Michelle Obama, RFK Jr. and other names keep popping up. Six national polls in the last 72 hours screaming what everyone has known for many months.

The fact that Biden is trailing in national polls and battleground polls against a candidate that’s facing criminal and civil trials in multiple courts tells you all you need to know about what an incredibly terrible candidate he is. Does anyone think a Barak Obama or a Bill Clinton would be this deep in the shitter against Trump?

https://x.com/tombevanrcp/status/1725105653318873164?s=46&t=D4wPadUSm31flBzHVSwUxA

 

[ByteMe13]

This explains why Joe Manchin, Dean Phillips, Michelle Obama, RFK Jr. and other names keep popping up. Six national polls in the last 72 hours screaming what everyone has known for many months.

The fact that Biden is trailing in national polls and battleground polls against a candidate that’s facing criminal and civil trials in multiple courts tells you all you need to know about what an incredibly terrible candidate he is. Does anyone think a Barak Obama or a Bill Clinton would be this deep in the shitter against Trump?

https://x.com/tombevanrcp/status/1725105653318873164?s=46&t=D4wPadUSm31flBzHVSwUxA

Biden wasn’t the first choice of most Democrats in 2020 but he was the only candidate that most Democrats could support and the only one that could beat Trump. And there hasn’t been any Democrat since that can make that claim. I’d like someone younger and more dynamic to beat Trump but that person doesn’t exist yet. So I’ll support Joe because he is the only thing standing in the way of a Trump victory and the demise of our constitution and our democratic system of government.

 

[lovecraft68]

For which party?

 

[YDB95]

This explains why Joe Manchin, Dean Phillips, Michelle Obama, RFK Jr. and other names keep popping up. Six national polls in the last 72 hours screaming what everyone has known for many months.

The fact that Biden is trailing in national polls and battleground polls against a candidate that’s facing criminal and civil trials in multiple courts tells you all you need to know about what an incredibly terrible candidate he is. Does anyone think a Barak Obama or a Bill Clinton would be this deep in the shitter against Trump?

https://x.com/tombevanrcp/status/1725105653318873164?s=46&t=D4wPadUSm31flBzHVSwUxA

Clinton trailed Bob Dole in the polls for most of 1995. I trust you know what happened next.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Clinton trailed Bob Dole in the polls for most of 1995. I trust you know what happened next.

Which polls are you referring to? The ones I found don’t show that. But even if Dole had been leading in most polls, Dole was a war hero and a widely respected senator. Not exactly comparable to Donald Trump.

”The Time magazine-CNN poll, with a margin of error of 1.5 percentage points, found that:
In a Clinton-Dole race, 48 percent said they would vote for Clinton and 42 percent for Dole.” October, 1995
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1995/11/12/poll-clinton-slightly-favored-over-dole/

In a poll taken December 15-18, 1995, CNN had Clinton leading Dole 52% to 41%.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9512/budget/12-19/poll/951219budget_4.html

ASKED IN A POLL TAKEN December 6-7 by Yankelovich Partners for Time and CNN how they would vote if the 1996 presidential election "were being held today," 50 percent of respondents said they would support Bill Clinton, just 32 percent Bob Dole. The average of recent polls has Clinton ahead by 10-12 points.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/the-clinton-dole-polls

 

[YDB95]

Which polls are you referring to? The ones I found don’t show that. But even if Dole had been leading in most polls, Dole was a war hero and a widely respected senator. Not exactly comparable to Donald Trump.

”The Time magazine-CNN poll, with a margin of error of 1.5 percentage points, found that:
In a Clinton-Dole race, 48 percent said they would vote for Clinton and 42 percent for Dole.” October, 1995
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1995/11/12/poll-clinton-slightly-favored-over-dole/

In a poll taken December 15-18, 1995, CNN had Clinton leading Dole 52% to 41%.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9512/budget/12-19/poll/951219budget_4.html

ASKED IN A POLL TAKEN December 6-7 by Yankelovich Partners for Time and CNN how they would vote if the 1996 presidential election "were being held today," 50 percent of respondents said they would support Bill Clinton, just 32 percent Bob Dole. The average of recent polls has Clinton ahead by 10-12 points.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weekly-standard/the-clinton-dole-polls

I said "for most of 1995". You're looking only at the end of the year, when Gingrich's government shutdown gave Clinton a big bounce in the polls.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I said "for most of 1995". You're looking only at the end of the year, when Gingrich's government shutdown gave Clinton a big bounce in the polls.

The 2024 election is roughly a year away. The polls show Biden in a very tight race against a candidate facing multiple felony charges in multiple states. He’s in a dead heat in the national average and trailing in key battleground states in 3 different polls taken within the past week.

If we are going to compare today’s race with how the 1996 race looked a year before the election, then we need to look at polls taken around the same time in 95. Clinton was in a much, much better position against a long-time GOP senator who was a WWII hero.

The Biden campaign would be ecstatic if his polling numbers were comparable to Clinton’s in 95. They’re not. His numbers are in the shitter. Joe Biden is no Bill Clinton and Donald Trump is no Bob Dole.