Major victory for men's rights - false rape accusation costs university $254K

[LJ_Reloaded]

This ought to teach at least one university not to fuck with a man's right to due process.

http://missoulian.com/news/local/mo...cle_a3881f4e-d522-11e5-8b82-73598bda98c4.html

Montana to pay former Griz QB Jordan Johnson $245K in settlement

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“Officials at the University of Montana – people who were in positions of great power – were unfair and biased. Their misconduct made my family and me suffer unnecessarily, both emotionally and financially,” he wrote.

In a criminal case in 2013, a jury acquitted Johnson of sexual intercourse without consent. Both his student code of conduct and criminal cases were part of Jon Krakauer book “Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town,” which was published last year.

The accusations also came against the backdrop of a U.S. Department of Justice investigation into whether rape allegations were being mishandled by the university, police and Missoula County prosecutors. Federal prosecutors signed settlement agreements with the university, the city and county prosecutors that called for changes in reporting, responding to and oversight of sexual assault cases.

The accusations against Johnson initially prompted an internal university investigation that is the subject of his settlement. That investigation led to a recommendation for Johnson's expulsion by a university court that handles complaints of student conduct violations. The expulsion recommendation was appealed and upheld by university President Royce Engstrom.

 

[Doom_Guy]

Yes, but many college women are frequently slipped sedatives in their drinks at parties and then later gang raped while unconscious.

Furthermore, photos and videos of these rapes are often taken with the assailants wearing pantyhose over their heads to mask their faces, which occasionally show up on porn websites.

This phenomena has become extremely common at large state universities, especially "party schools" where the student body consists largely of drunk obnoxious 20-something imbeciles and dumb submissive girls who give into them.

That's not to say that at least some rape accusations are fabricated so that greedy women and their shyster lawyers can try and sue the falsely accused defendant and the college in hopes of filling up their pockets with loads of money, but statistically most rape accusations in college turn out to be truthful.

If you are a young woman attending college and you don't want to be victimized by obnoxious, beer-guzzling, and hormone-raging idiots, then you need to take the following precautions.

*Don't accept drinks from anyone
*Stay close to your friends
*Always have someone with you (preferably a well-trusted male)
*Always carry mace/taser/cellphone with you
*Always stay on guard

If you don't follow these simple steps to protect yourself, get drunk and submit to strangers, and then end up being raped, you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Yes, but many college women are frequently slipped sedatives in their drinks at parties and then later gang raped while unconscious.

Furthermore, photos and videos of these rapes are often taken with the assailants wearing pantyhose over their heads to mask their faces.

Those dudes are a problem, and occasionally like with Steubenville they only get a short time in jail.

That's a problem.

But innocent men getting punished for shit they didn't do is also a problem. And in this case it became a very expensive problem for a school that ignored a man's due process rights.

Due process is not passe'. That is the lesson this school just got taught.

 

[Doom_Guy]

Those dudes are a problem, and occasionally like with Steubenville they only get a short time in jail.

That's a problem.

But innocent men getting punished for shit they didn't do is also a problem. And in this case it became a very expensive problem for a school that ignored a man's due process rights.

Due process is not passe'. That is the lesson this school just got taught.

I thought that 1st degree sexual assault is one of the most severe crimes that we have a law for (similar to murder, kidnapping, drug trafficking, arson, pedophilia) and carries with it up to a life sentence?

How could these people get off with short jail sentences and/or probation?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I thought that 1st degree sexual assault carries with it up to a life sentence?

How could these people get off with short jail sentences and/or probation?

Athlete privilege?

 

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[LJ_Reloaded]

Well...playing devil's advocate here, but you might have a case to blame the rapist(s).

Ya ain't gonna get through to people like that with this kind of common sense.

 

[Ishmael]

Well...playing devil's advocate here, but you might have a case to blame the rapist(s).

Just maybe. About the only thing that can be said about these affairs is that the woman's word is becoming less and less "taken as faith" without forensic evidence and corroborative testimony.

Many a black man were sent to prison, or worse, on the word of a woman who was trying to 'protect' her virtue to the community. And just as many white men as well. According to researchers as many as 27% of all rape allegations are false.

Obviously, even to take the larger percentage, 73% are true. The problem is that the false accusations begin to undermine the credibility of those that were truly victimized.

I once advocated that false accusers, false accusers of any sort, of any crime, of any gender, be sentenced to the same penalties as those they accused would have been sentenced to. I've rethought that to some degree. The issue becomes one of maliciously accusing vs. honest mistakes and/or mental illness. I do stand by my original thoughts should malicious motives be proved. But how to write that law?

Ishmael

 

[Vagina_Dentata]

In the future, all sexual relations must be digitally recorded as evidence and stored on the cloud...in the cloud...whatever the cloud is.

 

[Pairaclities]

The way I see it, this is only a "victory" for MR if the accused is a member of a MRO.
Otherwise, it is a victory for a college student who was wrongly accused and happens to be a man.

Men's rights organizations can claim whatever they want, however it usually requires the consent and participation of the subject to validate the claim. Does he know you are claiming this on his behalf?

 

[lovecraft68]

Well...playing devil's advocate here, but you might have a case to blame the rapist(s).

Nah, this is lit, its always the woman's fault.

 

[lovecraft68]

This will be evened out when TN pays hundreds of thousands and possibly more for sweeping sex predator Peyton Manning and several other athletes assaults under the rug. That law suit is going to cost that university a lot of money, but it won't stop them from continuing to turn out thug football players nor will it deter any other university to keep letting these animals get away with whatever they want.

This will be the third time the victim of 'innocent' Manning will be paid off, interesting for someone innocent to pay out twice already, no?

 

[BotanyBoy]

This will be evened out when TN pays hundreds of thousands and possibly more for sweeping sex predator Peyton Manning and several other athletes assaults under the rug. That law suit is going to cost that university a lot of money, but it won't stop them from continuing to turn out thug football players nor will it deter any other university to keep letting these animals get away with whatever they want.

This will be the third time the victim of 'innocent' Manning will be paid off, interesting for someone innocent to pay out twice already, no?

Now now....you know damn well football players are like politicians and billionaires.

They are simply above the law.

 

[renard_ruse]

I had a friend from Missoula many years ago. He used to call their newspaper The Miserable Missoulian because of its obnoxious bias. I had never heard of it before.

I see its still around, at least online. Lol.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Now now....you know damn well football players are like politicians and billionaires.

They are simply above the law.

Not always.

 

[Tigersman]

Those dudes are a problem, and occasionally like with Steubenville they only get a short time in jail.

That's a problem.

But innocent men getting punished for shit they didn't do is also a problem. And in this case it became a very expensive problem for a school that ignored a man's due process rights.

Due process is not passe'. That is the lesson this school just got taught.

Most of the time, due process is ignored by universities when a girl/women reorts a rape on campus. The female students are told to report rape to the campus police rather than doing like they should, reporting it to the real police.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Most of the time, due process is ignored by universities when a girl/women reorts a rape on campus. The female students are told to report rape to the campus police rather than doing like they should, reporting it to the real police.

Bingo. Take it to a fucking jury. Colleges cannot jail actual rapists, and jail is what real rapists need.

 

[Doom_Guy]

Most college athletes are dumb jocks who think with their dicks and not their minds.

 

[Tigersman]

Most college athletes are dumb jocks who think with their dicks and not their minds.

The college jocks inherited their attitudes about women from their fathers. The fathers married bimbos as no intelligent woman would have them.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

The college jocks inherited their attitudes about women from their fathers. The fathers married bimbos as no intelligent woman would have them.

But college jocks get like 40% of the sex that goes on in college.

 

[lemonbread]

*Don't accept drinks from anyone
*Stay close to your friends
*Always have someone with you (preferably a well-trusted male)
*Always carry mace/taser/cellphone with you
*Always stay on guard

If you don't follow these simple steps to protect yourself, get drunk and submit to strangers, and then end up being raped, you have no one to blame but yourself.

So women should live life prepared to be assaulted, and if she isn't prepared to take on an assailant, then she asked for it? Seriously?

Women shouldn't have to follow any 'simple steps' to not be raped. They should just not be raped. End of story.

You heard it women! Let's be careful how we dress, how much we drink, and who we go out with. You never know when you might just provoke and innocent helpless man into raping you. Good one.

 

[BotanyBoy]

So women should live life prepared to be assaulted, and if she isn't prepared to take on an assailant, then she asked for it? Seriously?

Not that she asked for it but yes. You should always be aware of your surroundings and not make decisions that put you in really bad/vulnerable situations because like it or not scum is around and it will fuck you given the chance.

Women shouldn't have to follow any 'simple steps' to not be raped. They should just not be raped. End of story.

Should being the operative word.

Reality is that's not likely to happen anywhere on the planet any point in any of our lives.

So as much as you should be safe if you don't want to be raped it's probably not a good idea to roofie yourself and strip naked poll dancer style before a 20 hr coma at some hoodrat block party you went to by yourself where known thugs, pimps, and gang bangers will be in attendance. Because you're probably going to get fucked.

You heard it women! Let's be careful how we dress, how much we drink, and who we go out with. You never know when you might just provoke and innocent helpless man into raping you. Good one.

You really should be careful, because reality> ideology.

 

[lemonbread]

Not that she asked for it but yes. You should always be aware of your surroundings and not make decisions that put you in really bad/vulnerable situations because like it or not scum is around and it will fuck you given the chance.



Should being the operative word.

Reality is that's not likely to happen anywhere on the planet any time in our lives.

So as much as you should be safe if you don't want to be raped it's probably not a good idea to roofie yourself at some hoodrat block party you went to by yourself where known thugs, pimps, rapists and gang banger will be in attendance.
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You really should be careful, because reality> ideology.

But saying it's anyone's fault except for the rapist is not an option. Your actions never justify someone else's actions.

A girl could go get drunk and pass out at a rapey frat party. She might get raped. That was careless. But her doing that does not make any part of that rape her fault. She did not make anyone do it. She may have made herself more accessible to the rapist, but It was only the action of the rapist that resulted in a rape. (Edit: Maybe 'caused a rape' is a better phrase here.)

Don't get me wrong, I smell what you're stepping in. But the only person who can absolutely stop a rape, is the person who has the opportunity to do it. The actions of a rapist are never a woman's fault regardless of her attire, how drunk she is, where she's at, how many guards she has around, etc. Yes, we have to be careful, because that's the world we live in. I wasn't saying we don't. I was saying blaming a woman for the action of her rapist is deplorable. It is only the rapist who rapes someone.

Edit again: Please regard my use of female and male terms here as just an example. Rape does not only affect female victims and male perpetrators.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh I think we're getting confused here.

Doom_Guy was the one who said "If you don't follow these simple steps to protect yourself, get drunk and submit to strangers, and then end up being raped, you have no one to blame but yourself." He's saying she's at fault.

Botany_Boy was not saying that at all. He was saying that predators will predate and, outside of the realm of who's at fault (because all of us except maybe Doom_Guy agree the rapist is at fault), there's another thing to consider: how to avoid becoming prey.

It's like when you leave your front door open and some thief comes and takes your TV... you're not at fault for him stealing your shit, but you didn't lock your door...

 

[lemonbread]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh I think we're getting confused here.

Doom_Guy was the one who said "If you don't follow these simple steps to protect yourself, get drunk and submit to strangers, and then end up being raped, you have no one to blame but yourself." He's saying she's at fault.

Botany_Boy was not saying that at all. He was saying that predators will predate and, outside of the realm of who's at fault (because all of us except maybe Doom_Guy agree the rapist is at fault), there's another thing to consider: how to avoid becoming prey.

It's like when you leave your front door open and some thief comes and takes your TV... you're not at fault for him stealing your shit, but you didn't lock your door...

I get that. I was just clarifying my position, not accusing Botany_Boy of saying anything he didn't say.