Maine Boots Trump from 2024 Ballot

[SmokingFap]

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Trump will be on the March ballot in Colorado and Maine.

 

[SubzeroGirl]

They are running scared.

 

[RoryN]

Two Deplorables triggered immediately.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

They are running scared.

Rory certainly seems to be.

 

[RoryN]

Rory

^^^
RDS.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Seeing how as far as I can they would have to get Trump off every ballot in the nation for this to make any sort of difference.

 

[LLCox]

Win or lose I am LOVING this.

 

[TrailerHitch]

So this is democracy? When you can't beat someone you do all you can to remove them from running? Holy shit the DNC is panicking and it shows.

 

[RoryN]

So this is democracy? When you can't beat someone you do all you can to remove them from running? Holy shit the DNC is panicking and it shows.

Oh?

Republicans Pull Trigger on Plan to Remove Joe Biden From Ballots​

Republican lawmakers in three swing states have announced their plan to remove President Joe Biden from their state ballots.

Aaron Bernstine of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, Cory McGarr of the Arizona House of Representatives and Charlice Byrd of the Georgia House of Representatives released a joint statement on Thursday announcing their plan to remove Biden from the 2024 general election ballots in those three states.

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-pull-trigger-plan-remove-joe-biden-ballots-1855042

 

[Sean Renaud]

So this is democracy? When you can't beat someone you do all you can to remove them from running? Holy shit the DNC is panicking and it shows.

First we're currently 1:1 so its a bit audacious saying we can't win. Funny how we were panicking in 2020 and and got a pretty solid win. In 2022 there was a predicted red wave because Biden was the worst president in history. So seriously THIS is stupid.

 

[TrailerHitch]

First we're currently 1:1 so its a bit audacious saying we can't win. Funny how we were panicking in 2020 and and got a pretty solid win. In 2022 there was a predicted red wave because Biden was the worst president in history. So seriously THIS is stupid.

If there is no fear then why work so hard to eliminate him from the ballot? Admit it, the thought of him running heads up against joey after the past 4 years of shit storm after shit storm scares the absolute shit out of the DNC and you liberal voters.

 

[Veroe]

Seeing how as far as I can they would have to get Trump off every ballot in the nation for this to make any sort of difference.

Well, most of the impartial experts (as much as you can trust them so far off from Nov.) were predicting it to be as close a race as las time. So getting kicked off the ballots of two states can really hurt Trump when it comes to count the electoral college votes. Ans yeah, it won't hurt him as much as if it was California or Texas kicking him off.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Circumventing the right of the people to cast their votes seems highly un-American.

 

[Veroe]

Circumventing the right of the people to cast their votes seems highly un-American.

As un-American as concocting some scheme to send fake electors to circumvent the right of millions of people who already voted like Trump did?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well, most of the impartial experts (as much as you can trust them so far off from Nov.) were predicting it to be as close a race as las time. So getting kicked off the ballots of two states can really hurt Trump when it comes to count the electoral college votes. Ans yeah, it won't hurt him as much as if it was California or Texas kicking him off.

Well so far my understanding is that he was only kicked off the primary which does anybody seriously think he hasn't wrapped up and I mean pretty much the second he announced. The good or at least descent Republicans have been mysteriously retiring. The smart ones did it early.

Either way thanks to that fucked relic of the EC things can be close but you know there are what? Maybe 7 states that we might fuck up. Maine isn't one of them.

If there is no fear then why work so hard to eliminate him from the ballot? Admit it, the thought of him running heads up against joey after the past 4 years of shit storm after shit storm scares the absolute shit out of the DNC and you liberal voters.

There is ALWAYS fear. You're attempting to paint it as a blind panic must escape ship situation. No, because there has been no shitstorm, certainly nothing that was likely to have gone any differently. What's funny and I'll see if I can dig up the two polls because it shows much the media screws with our heads. Most people feel more confident in the market than they have in a wild but we somehow assume we're just so much better than everybody else that they must be doing shit.

Its the same disconnect we have between fantasy and reality. No state is 100% safe. Statically however the stronger the gun laws the safer you are. Every time there is a heat spike we know exactly how many people died in Detroit.

 

[LLCox]

Oh?

Republicans Pull Trigger on Plan to Remove Joe Biden From Ballots​

So early... I scanned it first as Russia pulls trigger... same o same o, huh, trump.

 

[Veroe]

Apparently the Sec. of State in Maine decided it not the state supreme court, but she had both sides represent an argument for and against. But what's interesting to me is that the state GOP argued three points: that the office of the Presidency is not covered by the 14th amendment, that that clause in the 14th isn't self-executing and Congress must be the one to do so, and that by kicking Trump off the ballot the state party's 1st amendment rights of free association has been violated.

1. It's wild that they're not arguing over whether he actually did participate in an insurrection to me.

2. It's wild that the same party that gets so into the plain faced reading of the constitution is equivocating so much on the wording of the 14th amendment. I mean why wouldn't it mean the presidency too when it say an officer of the US? Why isn't that as clear and as unequivocable as the clause in the 2nd amendment that said: Shall not be infringed?

3. Lastly as much as an ordeal as this is for either side I'm glad that this is going in front of the supreme court as biased and as corrupt as our current justices are. This is just the type of fraught and completely unprecedented constitutional issue that they were meant to decide upon.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Circumventing the right of the people to cast their votes seems highly un-American.

Wait, which party do you think is trying to stop people from voting?
Might want to think before you reply.

 

[HisArpy]

Apparently the Sec. of State in Maine decided it not the state supreme court, but she had both sides represent an argument for and against. But what's interesting to me is that the state GOP argued three points: that the office of the Presidency is not covered by the 14th amendment, that that clause in the 14th isn't self-executing and Congress must be the one to do so, and that by kicking Trump off the ballot the state party's 1st amendment rights of free association has been violated.

1. It's wild that they're not arguing over whether he actually did participate in an insurrection to me.

2. It's wild that the same party that gets so into the plain faced reading of the constitution is equivocating so much on the wording of the 14th amendment. I mean why wouldn't it mean the presidency too when it say an officer of the US? Why isn't that as clear and as unequivocable as the clause in the 2nd amendment that said: Shall not be infringed?

3. Lastly as much as an ordeal as this is for either side I'm glad that this is going in front of the supreme court as biased and as corrupt as our current justices are. This is just the type of fraught and completely unprecedented constitutional issue that they were meant to decide upon.

Due process demands that Trump is innocent until proven guilty of insurrection. If he hasn't been charged, let alone convicted, arguing whether he did or didn't violates due process because the "did too" side assumes that he did without a finding of guilt.

Therefore it's pointless to make that argument.


Something else comes to mind here. If a State boots Trump based on political ideology or viewpoint that he committed an unproven insurrection, then the election results are void and the election cannot be certified since removing Trump from the ballot violates the voting rights of the people. That means that if the question isn't settled by the Nov election and Trump isn't on the ballot in the States in question, Congress cannot certify the electoral college results because the electors from the state in issue aren't legitimate because the election wasn't legitimate.

Sending those electors to cast their votes after an unlawful election would be election fraud. Which is one of the charges being brought against Trump. That's something for the states in issue here to think about.

Basically all these States are doing is setting themselves up for failure in court after the election is contested. Which means this is nothing but a temper tantrum designed to do 1 thing - make Trump the bad guy for wanting to be President.

Except it's something the voters are seeing through quite clearly. And that means the gambit has already failed. Not that it had any success in the first place but logic doesn't always work when dealing with children throwing a tantrum.

 

[Veroe]

Due process demands that Trump is innocent until proven guilty of insurrection. If he hasn't been charged, let alone convicted, arguing whether he did or didn't violates due process because the "did too" side assumes that he did without a finding of guilt.

Therefore it's pointless to make that argument.


Something else comes to mind here. If a State boots Trump based on political ideology or viewpoint that he committed an unproven insurrection, then the election results are void and the election cannot be certified since removing Trump from the ballot violates the voting rights of the people. That means that if the question isn't settled by the Nov election and Trump isn't on the ballot in the States in question, Congress cannot certify the electoral college results because the electors from the state in issue aren't legitimate because the election wasn't legitimate.

Sending those electors to cast their votes after an unlawful election would be election fraud. Which is one of the charges being brought against Trump. That's something for the states in issue here to think about.

Basically all these States are doing is setting themselves up for failure in court after the election is contested. Which means this is nothing but a temper tantrum designed to do 1 thing - make Trump the bad guy for wanting to be President.

Except it's something the voters are seeing through quite clearly. And that means the gambit has already failed. Not that it had any success in the first place but logic doesn't always work when dealing with children throwing a tantrum.

Interesting. Perhaps the state GOP in Maine should've asked you to represent their arguments to the Sec. of State there?

the fact of the matter is that we're in completely unprecedented waters on this. It should be interesting to hear what the supreme court decides and why as well as appeals to this or republican retaliation for kicking Biden off their ballots (if they do that rather than threaten it).

Now that two states have kicked off Trump I can see others following after it either through their supreme court rulings or Sec. of state decisions like in Maine...should be an interesting next few weeks.

 

[HisArpy]

Interesting. Perhaps the state GOP in Maine should've asked you to represent their arguments to the Sec. of State there?

Why? The fact is; neither side argued the point you're trying to make. Perhaps it's because they, like me, know that arguing that Trump committed insurrection is a worthless argument. Since it's a worthless argument neither is making, neither side needs my advocacy telling them not to make it.

The other argument can wait until the legal challenges begin after the ballots are printed without Trump's name on them.

the fact of the matter is that we're in completely unprecedented waters on this. It should be interesting to hear what the supreme court decides and why as well as appeals to this or republican retaliation for kicking Biden off their ballots (if they do that rather than threaten it).

The SCOTUS will toss these challenges. What legal vehicle they choose to use to do so is unknown but the outcome is already certain.

Now that two states have kicked off Trump I can see others following after it either through their supreme court rulings or Sec. of state decisions like in Maine...should be an interesting next few weeks.

You mean like California in which the Sec of State attempted to do the same but has now conceded defeat and will allow Trump to remain on the ballot?

Or like Michigan in which the courts decide that the attempt to boot Trump wasn't lawful?

Basically, this is a political ploy with no hope of successful outcome. Once which is only proving that the criminal cases against Trump are also nothing more than political ploys.

The only ones being fooled are the fools who believe everyone is being fooled.

 

[Veroe]

Why? The fact is; neither side argued the point you're trying to make. Perhaps it's because they, like me, know that arguing that Trump committed insurrection is a worthless argument. Since it's a worthless argument neither is making, neither side needs my advocacy telling them not to make it.

The other argument can wait until the legal challenges begin after the ballots are printed without Trump's name on them.



The SCOTUS will toss these challenges. What legal vehicle they choose to use to do so is unknown but the outcome is already certain.



You mean like California in which the Sec of State attempted to do the same but has now conceded defeat and will allow Trump to remain on the ballot?

Or like Michigan in which the courts decide that the attempt to boot Trump wasn't lawful?

Basically, this is a political ploy with no hope of successful outcome. Once which is only proving that the criminal cases against Trump are also nothing more than political ploys.

The only ones being fooled are the fools who believe everyone is being fooled.

I'm not versed in constitutional law enough to argue against you effectively, dude.

Also I'm not going to deny that there isn't a political aspect behind the cases he's dealing with particularly in the timing. That's obvious, but it's also obvious that the charges have merit behind them.

 

[HisArpy]

I'm not versed in constitutional law enough to argue against you effectively, dude.

Also I'm not going to deny that there isn't a political aspect behind the cases he's dealing with particularly in the timing. That's obvious, but it's also obvious that the charges have merit behind them.

You're not alone. 99% of those who are expressing an opinion about Trump's eligibility aren't any more knowledgeable. Yet they, like you, just know that they're right and that the lawyers are wrong.

There's no merit behind the charges. Just as there was no merit in either of the Articles of Impeachment.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

So this is democracy? When you can't beat someone you do all you can to remove them from running? Holy shit the DNC is panicking and it shows.

You took time away from 69ing your father to post this?