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Mello_SixtyNine said:
I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...police-killed-my-son-110038.html#.VIDSuWTF-8k
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A terrible tragedy.

He very much got right the conflict of interest of having the police and the D.A. investigate themselves.

Didn't mention that the City or County or State always pressures for the officer to be found innocent, because if he isn't they have to pay out huge wrongful death judgments.

I think GREEN becomes more important in these situations than black or white or brown or yellow.


The police are not as good as we want them to be. They aren't as well qualified, as well educated or as well trained.

Step into my time machine and let's take a trip back to the 70's, when those things were improving.

The federal government had created the Law Enforcement Assistance Administration. This agency helped fund research and improvements in law enforcement techniques, equipment, training, etc. They gave me money toward my tuition and books to go to college to study Criminology, requiring me to serve as a law enforcement officer for so many years to pay it back. (Yes, I was an Indentured Servant.) Departments had begun hiring procedures to measure what was between a candidates ears, not just the distance from his feet to his head. More emphasis was being placed on things like Verbal Judo, talking situations to resolution. Not just for the hostage or barricaded suspect negotiators, but for the street cops.

Then came the Reagan administration, and there went L.E.A.A.

Things stopped getting better.

I think we need to bring back the L.E.A.A. (although they'll have to name it something different, so it is their own idea and they get all the credit for it).

And we need to start grooming people to be police officers. And I can hear "what the hell does he mean by that". I mean encouraging those to have an interest to start learning things that will make them cops, and to help them stay away from things that preclude them from being cops.

Can gang members become cops? I hope not. For what I think are obvious reasons.

Should drug users become cops? Some do, and usually get found out and removed.

Should bullies become cops? Hell no. The job of a cop is to enforce the law, not his own version of it or to use the authority to take advantage of others.

Can you find qualified candidates in the low-income minority communities? Well, sure. But why would a black person who has that clean of a background and level of education become a cop? They can make a lot more money in other jobs where employers are looking to hire them to fulfill "quotas".

It is a tough, tough nut to crack.

Would it be proper to have a private fund that would supplement the pay of black officers to make it a more appealing job? Wouldn't that be blatant discrimination?

You have to raise ALL police officer's salaries. In most of the country, it isn't a very well-paying job. Which means you don't get the best and the brightest for the most part. And it shows.

I have some wild and crazy ideas to try to improve things somewhat. I don't think anyone has a real, comprehensive, cure-it-all program.

But any little piece of the problem that we improve on IS an improvement. And we can build on it.

Think Jesse Jackson or Weird Al Sharpton would be interested in helping start a program to recruit and train more black policemen? I have serious doubts about their willingness, and about what kind of candidates they would be putting forth. But I'd be happy to see them give it a shot.
 
BobDownSouth said:
It's a great test bed for the Nuclear Ignore add-on I'm writing though. :cool:
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What we need is a "thread ignore" along with individual ignores.

That would seem efficient for the users. Wouldn't have to scroll through all the bullshit to find the threads that interest you.
 
Balladeer08 said:
What we need is a "thread ignore" along with individual ignores.

That would seem efficient for the users. Wouldn't have to scroll through all the bullshit to find the threads that interest you.
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Baby steps here, officer.

I'm teaching myself how to write j.avascript add-ons.
 
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Kitty92 said:
How does one screen for bullies while recruiting officers?
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That would come from background checks, talking to friends, family, schoolmates, coworkers.

And from the interviews.

I remember one interview with a kid that came in to the room all intense. Just about quivering. Sat down, but didn't sit back in the seat, was right on the front edge, leaning toward the interview panel.

First question he was asked was "Is there any particular aspect of Law Enforcement you'd like to get into?"

Through clenched teeth, he practically screamed "INTERNAL AFFAIRS!" (to give you an idea of the voice, think of Men In Black, the alien wearing the Edgar suit. But more hostile.)

Everyone kind of blanched at the manner of the response. Who the hell yells at the hiring interviewers?

Followup question was "Why is that?"

Same angry/hysterical style reply "BECAUSE I WANT TO GET A DIRTY COP!!!"

You got the feeling nobody was going to be pure enough for this guy. Because he didn't seem quite sane, actually. Nobody could believe the way he behaved. And we certainly couldn't see putting him in a uniform with a gun to confront the civilian population.

Biggest question I had was how he got that far in the process.
 
Balladeer08 said:
That would come from background checks, talking to friends, family, schoolmates, coworkers.

And from the interviews.

I remember one interview with a kid that came in to the room all intense. Just about quivering. Sat down, but didn't sit back in the seat, was right on the front edge, leaning toward the interview panel.

First question he was asked was "Is there any particular aspect of Law Enforcement you'd like to get into?"

Through clenched teeth, he practically screamed "INTERNAL AFFAIRS!" (to give you an idea of the voice, think of Men In Black, the alien wearing the Edgar suit. But more hostile.)

Everyone kind of blanched at the manner of the response. Who the hell yells at the hiring interviewers?

Followup question was "Why is that?"

Same angry/hysterical style reply "BECAUSE I WANT TO GET A DIRTY COP!!!"

You got the feeling nobody was going to be pure enough for this guy. Because he didn't seem quite sane, actually. Nobody could believe the way he behaved. And we certainly couldn't see putting him in a uniform with a gun to confront the civilian population.

Biggest question I had was how he got that far in the process.
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Are you and your peers willing to do the bold?
 
Kitty92 said:
Are you and your peers willing to do the bold?
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They always do background checks. It's just part of the process.

They talked to my 1st grade teacher. I know, because she told my parents. She was a nice lady. We used to go visit at her husband's farm, play in the fields, help milk the cows. She liked my sense of humor, that I would play word games even at that age.

I think she gave me a good recommendation. ;)
 
KingOrfeo said:
The point being, there are a lot of things whites often can get away with in sight of the cops that blacks usually can't.
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Sorry, but your point is false.

As Mike Birbiglia famously remarks, most blacks believe it's OK for them to call each other "the n word", so it should be OK for only whites to call each other "cracker".

Also, I never call a woman "the b word", but if any woman claims a sexual attack, she is believed the majority of the time, & a man is prosecuted & often punished, perhaps for things that never even actually occurred.

...

Such is the case these days, it seems, to a further degree. We have an increasing amount of fiction like "Minority Report" or "Person Of Interest" where people are arrested &/or prosecuted before even committing a crime. Also, it seems while the majority of African-Americans (including celebrities like Lebron, Will Smith's entire family, etc.) seem to be over slavery & the like, the oft-mentioned $10 says that this will be their first mention toward a defense if a situation like Trayvon or Brown happens.

I'm sorry; I admit I'm a never-arrested Caucasian who gets most of my legal knowledge from fiction & shows like "Judge Judy", but I thought the burden of proof started with the prosecution! Then, when we know (or Wilson/Zimmerman admits) they committed the attack, they get charged.

Instead, America (currently continuing to operate under our first African-American President) has turned (at least in the courts) into John K. Toole's Confederacy Of Dunces.
 
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