Logic is dead, long live logic

[rgraham666]

Logic's alright I guess.

I prefer empathy and wisdom.

And the person you're bitching about has none of those qualities either Lucifer.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

The problem isn't really with the logic. The problem is with the premises. If the premises are faulty, then the conclusions are invalid as well.

---dr.M.

 

[Mhari]

Lucifer,

You've tried so, so hard. But in the immortal words of Paul Simon (or was it Art Garfunkle..?):

"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."

I learned long ago not to bother when someone is arguing using no semblance of logic, who changes the "rules" to fit whatever he wants to prove, and who stoops to insults and name-calling when he realizes there's no other way for him to "win".

I also feel it's a bit unfair to wage a battle of wits against someone who is clearly unarmed.

Still *hugs*. I know you tried. You have far, far more patience and tolerance than I do.

I'm content to watch mainly from the sidelines and giggle, or shake my head, or whatever. I've got more important things to worry about than trying to correct the misperceptions of one who clearly wants to remain ignorant.



~M

 

[shereads]

I like to use Boolean logic, when I can get my head around it. Does that count? Normally I'm an incurable romantic, but it's fun to be different sometimes

Alex

You still support those lying, war-mongering Booleans? You twisted bastard!



P.S. Is romance really incurable?

 

[shereads]

The problem isn't really with the logic. The problem is with the premises. If the premises are faulty, then the conclusions are invalid as well.

---dr.M.

I think the threads in question have been collisions between value systems.

No amount of evidence is going to convince Bigot A that he's a bigot, because bigot is a derogatory term for something he considers a virtue: his discerning tastes in skin color, ethnic background, and traditional male/female roles.

Then there's Student Z, who believes the war is right and necessary, and can hardly wait to throw himself into the line of fire alongside his brothers in arms. It's just that right now, he has plans. He'd appreciate it if all the kids his age who don't have plans would take this first shift. In 3 or 4 years when he finishes college, he's almost definitely going to sign up, because military service "looks good on the record."

What can you say to that? Nothing, really.

Warlord B entered the thread by announcing that Student Z is absolutely right for sitting out the war, because after college he can enter the military as a commissioned officer (instead of cannon fodder.)

I don't know what Warlord B said after that. I couldn't look.

Jesus Christ could tap these people on the shoulder and say, "Your values are all wrong; don't make me come down there," and they'd assume he had them confused with someone else.

 

[Mhari]

I think I'm going to have to start stalking shereads...

Are you sure you won't marry me??

~M

 

[shereads]

I think I'm going to have to start stalking shereads...

Are you sure you won't marry me??

~M

I've had marriage, but I've never had my own stalker!

 

[Mhari]

Woohoo, stalking it is!!



~M

(too bad I'm not on enough to make a really *good* stalker...)

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

P.S. Is romance really incurable?

Well if it isn't, they don't have a pill for it yet. I checked. Maybe there is a surgical procedure or something...

EDITED TO ADD: Maybe I could ask Blarney about the procedure. I'm sure he'd know of one... <exuding sarcasm>

 

[Guest]

Isn't he a doctor?

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Best read the thread before I comment, where is it?

Never been much of a one for logic myself, believing in the chaos theory as I do. We never learned it at school as such, other than logical conclusion, the logical conclusion being that you agreed with the tutor no matter how illogical his / her opinion seemed, otherwise you got a slap round the head. It was far less painful to just go with the flow but know in your mind he / she was a total wanker / ess.

Allow me to just warn you of the dangers of looking at this content. It has been proven to infuriate the greater majority of posters at Literotica and has been responsible for a long headache. That said, pop, here's the link to the thread: https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251672

I like chaos and I like logic too. One cannot live without the other. But it is a matter of when to use it. Chaos does not belong in debate just as pure logic does not often belong in religion or humor. Yeah, I got those teachers too. That's why I spent all my time in the corner with a rebellious grin reading Douglas Adams or Ken Kesey.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Isn't he a doctor?

Considering the way he debates, I'd hate to see his treatment of patients:

Ok, I think I have a cold.

Holy shit, your arm needs to be amputated!

What? My arm feels fine. It looks fine too. In fact, it's never felt better. I do have a bad cold.

A cough cough eh. Heh heh. Yes, the amputation of the leg is the only way to alleviate the brain tumor.

What the hell are you on?

Communism has infected your bodily fluids. Fraid we'll have to nuke Russia to cure you.

Are you sure you're the only doctor in town?

Oh, yes. They all left mumbling about how the AMA is going to come down like a sack of bricks and didn't want to even be suspected of being in the same town when that occured". It was a glorious victory for my business.

I see...Wow, my cold is all better now *cough cough*. Really, I'll just be going. <exits>

Damn I'm good. Hmmm, AMA tanks outside. Green...

(Apologies and thanks to both Kubrick and Adams from whom I stole lines from)

 

[rgraham666]

P.S. Is romance really incurable?

If it is, nobody had better try curing me! I like my condition.

 

[SummerMorning]

Uh, Summ and Cloudy: Luci's seriously upset and you've flirt-jacked his thread.

Aunti Perdita

*hangs head in shame*

 

[SummerMorning]

Lucifer,

I started reading the thread, got pissed and disgusted, fired a shot which he completely missed, then left. Arguing with someone like that is like trying to rape a vaccume cleaner. It may feel good in the beginning, but it just sucks in the end.

Cat

*chuckle*

 

[SummerMorning]

The problem isn't really with the logic. The problem is with the premises. If the premises are faulty, then the conclusions are invalid as well.

---dr.M.

Garbage in, garbage out...

...as the good docteur said.

 

[SummerMorning]

Well if it isn't, they don't have a pill for it yet. I checked. Maybe there is a surgical procedure or something...

EDITED TO ADD: Maybe I could ask Blarney about the procedure. I'm sure he'd know of one... <exuding sarcasm>

There is... it's described in detail in Zamyatin's We - when you excise free will (along with critical thinking and reason) you end up with a happy, happy camper...

 

[Guest]

Considering the way he debates, I'd hate to see his treatment of patients

Exactly.

He claims to have cured many people from such a wide variety of injuries and illnesses.

Logic does not enter any of those threads.

*shudder*


(P.S. Or spelling and grammar. Yes, spelling and grammar are also forbidden in his posts.)

 

[neonlyte]

Medicine is a reactive trade, if see you anything that offends, simply remove it.

Of course, this is modern medicine, in previous centuries they used leeches and blood letting.

NL

 

[SummerMorning]

And we had lobotomy

And we had prozac

And now we have...

tadaa...

Prozac for KIDS!

Whoopee!!!