Logic is dead, long live logic

[Lucifer_Carroll]

If anybody has noticed my day long attempt to breed logic in someone lacking it on the other thread, you have my greatest sympathies. The whole sordid thing has left me very drained and with a very bad opinion of my fellow man.

Anyway, my questions are these: Why is logic treated as such a hated presence these days? Why do so few people embrace it, use it in their lives? Why do so many people turn to the coarse yells and shouts of cliches (on both sides mind you) over a build up of arguments? And most importantly of all, why do we as people allow such disdain for logic, the building blocks of our universe, to go unchecked and unpunished? Why is rhetoric and propaganda king (for both sides)? Have we really fallen that far?

-the very tired romantic, Lucifer_Carroll

 

[Guest]

Have we really fallen that far?

-the very tired romantic, Lucifer_Carroll

Well, I have. But my coo-coo land is comfy.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

He's bragging about my departure as if he won a great victory. The comfortable illusion, the glass bubble from which nothing enters or leaves. The idiot never realized that I hadn't been making points against his viewpoints. Not once did he notice.

May I hear from those supporters of logic? Can somebody send me a belief in logic as anything, an ideal, a ghost, even a class? Anything at all would be appreciated.

 

[Guest]

I believe in you, Lucifer. That's all the logic I need right now.

Lou

 

[SummerMorning]

The logically conclusion to such a situation is that there are, among men (and among women), those deserving nothing less than utter and complete domination by those possessed of a certain capacity for logic and reason. It is thus a sad but true thing that a large number of people render themselves unfit for any sort of participation in power and decision-making by their very actions and views which show themselves as the worst and lowliest kind of populist drivel. How to reconcile this with dreams of democracy? A hard task indeed, and indeed one doomed to failure. But then, all is doom, nothing survives.

So, enjoy yourself, have a good time and don't give a f**k about idiots like aforementioned personnage, instead go and have a good f**k with somebody you can have a decent, polysyllabic discussion with afterwards.

(Damn - I can sound like such a priss, eh?)

 

[Liar]

I've been a little out of touch, so I missed that thread. But I know how you feel. I among others fought a long winded and day by day mind numbing battle against a brick wall of ignorance a while ago. Logic did score a few points in that struggle after a while, but it was all too exhausting and frustrating to bother in the end.

I like logic, and am quite good at using it if needed. But we just got to swallow that some people will never accept that 2+2 at the end of the day never is 5.

ps. This has nothing to do with your thread, as I haven't seen it. For all I know, you might be wrong

 

[cloudy]

The logically conclusion to such a situation is that there are, among men (and among women), those deserving nothing less than utter and complete domination by those possessed of a certain capacity for logic and reason. It is thus a sad but true thing that a large number of people render themselves unfit for any sort of participation in power and decision-making by their very actions and views which show themselves as the worst and lowliest kind of populist drivel. How to reconcile this with dreams of democracy? A hard task indeed, and indeed one doomed to failure. But then, all is doom, nothing survives.

So, enjoy yourself, have a good time and don't give a f**k about idiots like aforementioned personnage, instead go and have a good f**k with somebody you can have a decent, polysyllabic discussion with afterwards.

(Damn - I can sound like such a priss, eh?)

Maybe so, Summer, but that AV contradicts you very nicely.

 

[SummerMorning]

Maybe so, Summer, but that AV contradicts you very nicely.

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Are you saying that I'm being ironic and just making fun of the world we live in?

 

[cloudy]

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Are you saying that I'm being ironic and just making fun of the world we live in?

No....I'm just saying I love your AV.

 

[SummerMorning]

*blush*

 

[SummerMorning]

Now you've gone and embarassed me...

Yours is quite attractive too.

 

[cloudy]

Now you've gone and embarassed me...

Yours is quite attractive too.

Thank you. Someone drew it for me - a gift.

Blushes are sexy.

 

[Guest]

Uh, Summ and Cloudy: Luci's seriously upset and you've flirt-jacked his thread.

Aunti Perdita

 

[Alex De Kok]

I like to use Boolean logic, when I can get my head around it. Does that count? Normally I'm an incurable romantic, but it's fun to be different sometimes

Alex

 

[cloudy]

I'm sorry, Lucifer, I didn't mean to threadjack.

The best way to deal with those folks is to walk away from them, honestly.

They won't ever see your point of view - they don't want to. You can't make them, so you get so frustrated that your blood almost boils.

I'm sorry its that frustrating for you. You tried, I have to give you credit.

What's that old quote? "None are so blind as those who will not see."

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Thank you everybody for the support. I really mean it. I sent him one last pm, parting as friendly as I could and explaining what I was trying to say as best as I could. He will ignore it but I don't care anymore. Sadly it all reminds me of the first time I fell in love. It was unrequited and when I left her life forever, I left one final note explaining how I felt and apologizing for an awkwardness I caused in her life because of it. The same bittersweet feeling (though markedly less so) runs through me today.

But, I'm reminiscing and rambling, so I return to my comment and that is thank you. I was feeling a bit alone in my defense of logic but you helped me see that it was the other way around. I know its repititous but thank you.

<the devil sends you all a kiss and a flower>

 

[Liar]

Read the thread now. All I can say is: you had waaay too much patience with that particular brick wall of an antagonist. I say walk away happily, knowing that every sensible person can see that you had logic on your side, and that you have better things to waste your energy on.

At least my antagonists were entertaining. Sheesh.

#L

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

I'm sorry, Lucifer, I didn't mean to threadjack.

The best way to deal with those folks is to walk away from them, honestly.

They won't ever see your point of view - they don't want to. You can't make them, so you get so frustrated that your blood almost boils.

I'm sorry its that frustrating for you. You tried, I have to give you credit.

What's that old quote? "None are so blind as those who will not see."

By all means, enjoy your flirt. This world has far too much sadness and frustration already. The most important thing I've gleaned from this is the memory of why I try and not let myself get too serious. It usually hurts.

Also, he's right. That is an awesome AV. (I'm honored that he thought mine was so nearly as cool as yours that he mistaked the two).

Now in monty python fashion. Right then, carry on, carry on. Wink wink nudge nudge, say no more .

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Read the thread now. All I can say is: you had waaay too much patience with that particular brick wall of an antagonist. I say walk away happily, knowing that every sensible person can see that you had logic on your side, and that you have better things to waste your energy on.

At least my antagonists were entertaining. Sheesh.

#L

Thank you. Speaking as a man who tries to keep control of his anger and emotions, that means a lot to me.

As for entertaining...it was (kind of like a party game where you wait to see when the really tipsy guy is going to collapse) until I noticed that not even bold or enlarged text was registering.

Ah, to quote the beatles "Ob-la-di, ob-la-da. Life goes on, yeah. Oh, how their life goes on."

 

[oggbashan]

Logic was a compulsory subject at my High School in Australia, along with rhetoric. It was part of a subject called English Expression that included grammar, spelling, logic, rhetoric, semantics and precis. Even science geeks and sports jocks HAD to pass English Expression.

Og

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Logic was a compulsory subject at my High School in Australia, along with rhetoric. It was part of a subject called English Expression that included grammar, spelling, logic, rhetoric, semantics and precis. Even science geeks and sports jocks HAD to pass English Expression.

Og

I'm jealous. In America we got misinterpreting great literature 101, where the teacher would impose his/her biases about a book on the class and then ask them to write an essay supporting those views. I had to learn logic and rhetoric the old fashioned way.

Reading Douglas Adams, Terry Pratchett, and Neil Gaiman and watching Monty Python.

 

[Liar]

Reading Douglas Adams, Terry Pratchett, and Neil Gaiman and watching Monty Python.

There are worse ways. Those are good teachers.


Man: Look this isn't an argument.

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, it's just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is.

Mr Vibrating: It is not.

Man: It is. You just contradicted me.

Mr Vibrating: No I didn't.

Man: Ooh, you did!

Mr Vibrating: No, no, no, no, no.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

There are worse ways. Those are good teachers.


Man: Look this isn't an argument.

Mr Vibrating: Yes it is.

Man: No it isn't, it's just contradiction.

Mr Vibrating: No it isn't.

Man: Yes it is.

Mr Vibrating: It is not.

Man: It is. You just contradicted me.

Mr Vibrating: No I didn't.

Man: Ooh, you did!

Mr Vibrating: No, no, no, no, no.

"Arthur looked outside his window and saw a bulldozer. 'Yellow,' he thought."

Best teachers of my life. What they did with the English language still makes me jealous and I can only hope to eventually be able to do half of the stylistic jokes they pulled off.

 

[pop_54]

Best read the thread before I comment, where is it?

Never been much of a one for logic myself, believing in the chaos theory as I do. We never learned it at school as such, other than logical conclusion, the logical conclusion being that you agreed with the tutor no matter how illogical his / her opinion seemed, otherwise you got a slap round the head. It was far less painful to just go with the flow but know in your mind he / she was a total wanker / ess.

 

[SeaCat]

Lucifer,

I started reading the thread, got pissed and disgusted, fired a shot which he completely missed, then left. Arguing with someone like that is like trying to rape a vaccume cleaner. It may feel good in the beginning, but it just sucks in the end.

Cat