Little Timmy McVeigh's Victims?

[Aussie Worm]

So did his victims re-materialise and the moral order of the USA and the world improve?

I bet not.

 

[Mistress]

No but the worlds a damn better place since we have one less bastard to worry about.

 

[unusuallyconfused]

No, but perhaps someone else who had those thoughts would be deterred. I don't know all the answers, but when you hear statistics of how much crime is cut down in death penalty states, it makes you wonder. I am surely not jumping in glee, I am not particularly happy, I just think that if his death saves others from committing therefore saving lives, I personally feel he forfeited his life for the better good. What is his life worth. Perhaps those that have been saved. I don't know, it just seems like a good tradeoff to me in the whole scheme of things.

 

[Aussie Worm]

No but the worlds a damn better place since we have one less bastard to worry about.

But you wouldn't have to worry about him in a maximum security prision. Out of sight, out of mind.

No, but perhaps someone else who had those thoughts would be deterred. I don't know all the answers, but when you hear statistics of how much crime is cut down in death penalty states, it makes you wonder.

I would like to see these statistics. Because i have seen stats that show the death penalty is not a deterant in the USA or any other country with the death penalty.

 

[Mistress]

...and you won't have to worry about him in a maximum security prision.

Yeah but in a prison he's still alive and getting fed to where all those babies he killed arent...

 

[Todd]

Oh you mean a maximum luxury jail don't you?

Where all the most hardened , evil, vile criminal get a free education, free health care, free clothes, free cable tv, free food.

I like the idea of that jail called "tent City" I saw it on TLC once, the warden amkes the guys live in tents on the ground out doors in the desert.

 

[Aussie Worm]

NOBODY has the right to take anyone elses life and especially not in the name of 'JUSTICE.'

 

[fgarvb1]

No escape and no parole... his case is sent to a higher court.

now he can explain his actions to someone who knows exactly what happen.

 

[Aussie Worm]

Assuming that higher court exists of course.

 

[fgarvb1]

if i was wrong, and i not the first part still holds true.

 

[KillerMuffin]

First of all, don't assume that everyone in the US supports the death penalty or what happened. Many of us were blinded by our own ignorance and weren't aware that federal death penalties were still in force. Currently only a handful of states still execute for state level crimes.

Secondly, the man committed treason and attempted to overthrow the government. We've historically killed these sorts of people for centuries in all nations. Conspiring to overthrow the government is something that can be done from the safety and comfort of a life sentence so he would not have been rendered harmless by serving in prison. Most good drug lords in the US run their businesses despite incarceration, for a corollary.

Whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent, it happened. Something must be learned from it. Death penalty opponents can use this to stop more people from being killed. Somehow I don't think you've furthered the cause an iota by blindly attacking a bunch of people on a porn board. You haven't given a single good argument against the penalty, merely put everyone on the defensive and in the position of defending something they may not support and may not have the least idea how to change.

I would suggest you revamp your strategy if you want the legislation in a foreign country to change.

 

[Chuckus]

The world is free of wasted human space. Slime ball has gone onto a much worse place (for him it will be, am sure of it)

 

[Guest]

I don't wish death upon anyone. And even hearing that this bastard died, made me a little sad. Not so much being sad for him.... but sad because of the whole situation. Sad that he showed no remorse and that he was 'in good spirits' before he died.

I believe that his life should've ended the way that his victims lives ended. Only slower....so he could feel every single pain that many of his victims felt.

 

[SungHi]

I can't say anything about killing that McVey person because my hatred of him does not allow reasonable thinking. I can say this, that I hate when his lawyer and other people call him 'Tim'. Tim? hey good buddy, have a beer Tim? Are we gonna start calling Hitler by his first name?

But at the risk of being ripped limb from limb, I do get way sick of hearing about 'luxury' prisons. I am not saying that us cons don't deserve a horrible time inside, but am telling you, whoever you are, that I did 345 days inside and until you do, maybe don't make so light a what it's like.

No cable, no cool food, no going to do a pee without asking some dumb fat guard who usually toll ya to wait. Many a time I sat and peed myself. Sleeping in a five by eight cage with two other women and doing things every night you just do not wanna know about. So I am not saying I didn't deserve it, or that it shoulda been easy, but I can't help getting all froofey at yuppy guys telling me how 'luxurious' it was.

Now I am in trouble and people will yell at me.

 

[Aussie Worm]

First of all, don't assume that everyone in the US supports the death penalty or what happened. Many of us were blinded by our own ignorance and weren't aware that federal death penalties were still in force. Currently only a handful of states still execute for state level crimes.

I never assume anything. I have seen facts that state most people in the USA would oppose capital punishment if the criminal got life imprisionment with no parole.

Secondly, the man committed treason and attempted to overthrow the government. We've historically killed these sorts of people for centuries in all nations. Conspiring to overthrow the government is something that can be done from the safety and comfort of a life sentence so he would not have been rendered harmless by serving in prison. Most good drug lords in the US run their businesses despite incarceration, for a corollary.

Many countries have abolished the dealth penalty except for treason and warcrimes.

Whether it's right, wrong, or indifferent, it happened. Something must be learned from it. Death penalty opponents can use this to stop more people from being killed. Somehow I don't think you've furthered the cause an iota by blindly attacking a bunch of people on a porn board. You haven't given a single good argument against the penalty, merely put everyone on the defensive and in the position of defending something they may not support and may not have the least idea how to change.

I haven't attacked anyone. If people have taken it that way, ahwell thats the way the cookie crumbles.

Maybe I would feel better about the USA if they canceled Friends and destroyed all copies of Barney the Dinosaur.

 

[SungHi]

Well I can vote for the Friends thing. Canceling it. I mean, who would wanna meet those people for real?

 

[Chuckus]

and I will second the vote to destroy that damn purple dinosaur!!!

 

[*Lazer*]

I will never support the murder of another person.

It does not deter crime. It does not "teach" anything to the type of person who commit the most violent of crimes. I will not stop seeing Tim as a person. If I do I am just a breath away from being in the same mindset that allowed that horrible act to occur. It is a FACT that innocent people have died in this country for crimes they did not commit. How can anyone rationalize the legal murder of an innocent person. It does not bring healing or hope. It does not bring anything but a empty hollow loss of hope. Besides the fact that it is racist, it demeans us as a society, renders all that we espouse suspect. It is like admitting that murder is justified and when we make that a reality then we are not far from the mindset that allowed the crime in the first place.

 

[Closet Desire]

Deterance...

A well known fact of human nature is that few criminals believe they will be caught. It doesn't enter their mind because they think they've worked out all the contingencies (if they are smart) and it never occurs to them (if they are dumb). McVeigh wasn't worried. He was travelling north on I-35 with a concealed weapon and expired license plates (the original reason he was stopped).

Fanatics don't always care if they are caught and many, in fact, choose to go up with their creation.

The bombers of the World Trade Center were so sure they would get away that one of the genuises actually tried to get his deposit back on the Ryder truck (he only had a child's ticket to return overseas and needed the money to upgrade the ticket...terrorism on a budget...go figure).

Countries that are more brutal about their death penalties and other maiming punishments don't seem to deter the drug dealers either for the same fundamental psychological reasons. They don't believe they will be caught.