Literotica's Policy on Violence in Stories

RLmann

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Hello, all. I recently submitted a story that was intentionally over-the-top in terms of the violence displayed by the main character. The goal was to build up a "hero" for the BTB crowd in Chapter One, and then show what happens as a consequence of his actions in the second chapter.

The plot is very familiar to anyone who reads the LW category on a regular basis: husband finds out wife is cheating, takes revenge on her by cutting off the genitals of her and her lover, and then flees to a foreign country with all her money and their daughter.

Sick shit, but the BTB crowd goes nuts for this plot time and again, and consistently awards such stories with a 4-star rating or higher.

A few days after submitting my story, I received a rejection notification, along with the following message from Laurel and Manu:

"We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused."

I was actually impressed that they rejected my story, as I have had the impression that they don't heavily scrutinize the submissions, based on the number of outlandishly violent tales of revenge that litter the LW category on a daily basis. My hope was that this was some new policy that they were enforcing to finally rid the category of this garbage.

...But then two days later, a story was posted by "FinishTheDamnStory", titled, "Martha Finally Cheats Too Often." This plot of this story is eerily similar to the one I wrote. A man discovers his wife is cheating, so he goes to his neighbors' house (who were the ones she cheated with), burned off the wife's nipples, cut off the husband's penis, left them both lying in a pool of blood, cleaned out all of his bank accounts, and fled to some Latin American paradise, where he lived happily ever after. In the end, he learns that the wife committed suicide because she was so embarrassed and ashamed.

I'd like to know why my story was rejected, but this story was published, given that three of the four main characters were left "seriously and/or permanently physically harmed/abused."

I've made this suggestion many times before, and I'll make it again, in the hope that Laurel and/or Manu actually read this and consider it: this site desperately needs a voluntary editorial committee to screen each submission and ensure that it is placed in the proper category. It would cost nothing, and would greatly improve this site.
 
There's a "report" button on the posted stories. You could report that story for excessive violence and you could also PM laurel directly and ask why yours was rejected but this one was let through. Perhaps she didn't see the violence in her scan through the story. So many are submitted, that he would be impossible for her to read ever story in detail.
 
One person looking through 80 stories a night and barely skimming for the most part is the issue

You are brand new and first stories are always looked at more closely hence your rejection

Finishthedamnstory has been around a little bit so he just gets a quick glance I'm sure.
 
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And it may all hinge on your description or Finishthedamnstory's lack of one describing the actions to take place in the story.
 
In general, there are thousands of stories on Lit where people are killed, murdered, beaten, tortured, etc. This is not limited to the LW category, but is commonly found in many categories, including BDSM, Non-Consent, Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Novels and Novellas, etc.

I think the biggest issue with this type of action, is that it can't happen during sex. Which is exactly the issue pointed out in your rejection:

"We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused."

I don't know what was in your story, but in mine, the action happened years later, and the action was not described, only the aftermath. This is important.

Maybe that will help, I don't know. Good luck getting it cleaned up if you're going to resubmit it.
 
In general, there are thousands of stories on Lit where people are killed, murdered, beaten, tortured, etc. This is not limited to the LW category, but is commonly found in many categories, including BDSM, Non-Consent, Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Novels and Novellas, etc.

I think the biggest issue with this type of action, is that it can't happen during sex. Which is exactly the issue pointed out in your rejection:

"We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused."

I don't know what was in your story, but in mine, the action happened years later, and the action was not described, only the aftermath. This is important.

Maybe that will help, I don't know. Good luck getting it cleaned up if you're going to resubmit it.

You're correct on can't happen during sex.

The issue is I feel-from what I have seen booted/approved here-is there is still some "personal opinion" involved and that is always going to lead to inconsistencies.
 
I have had stories rejected with the same reasoning.

What I did was write a note explaining exactly why I though that the violence was necessary in the story, and that worked - I got them approved. One of them with a slight modification.
 
In general, there are thousands of stories on Lit where people are killed, murdered, beaten, tortured, etc. This is not limited to the LW category, but is commonly found in many categories, including BDSM, Non-Consent, Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Novels and Novellas, etc.

I think the biggest issue with this type of action, is that it can't happen during sex. Which is exactly the issue pointed out in your rejection:

"We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused."

I don't know what was in your story, but in mine, the action happened years later, and the action was not described, only the aftermath. This is important.

Maybe that will help, I don't know. Good luck getting it cleaned up if you're going to resubmit it.

In the opening chapter of my story, Blood of the Clans, a young female is gang raped after watching her parents butchered before her. She is forced to watch her parents and the other villagers being burned and ends up running into the inferno out of shame and disgrace. I'd say that breaks the rule right there, but it was accepted by Laurel and not because she read through it quickly.

I'm not sure why she denied it, but something didn't sit right with her and she usually explains what it was that needs correcting.
 
I think the biggest issue with this type of action, is that it can't happen during sex. ...

Even that can get approved, provided that the premise is right.

For instance, I have a story featuring a female murder fetishist who generally prefer that her victims give her a "hard time" *snicker*. There are also plenty of vampires in the non-human category feeding on struggling humans of both genders during sex and leaving them critically anaemic....
 
Non human and to a somewhat lesser degree eh can get away with anything including beastie and underage because none of the creatures are "real"

Which to me is a cop out because as far as I know none of my characters are real either fiction is fiction
 
What's BTB? :confused:

"Burn the Bitch." This is apparently what most LW readers want to happen to the woman who has sex with someone other than her husband in many cheating stories, whether the husband is in on it or not.
 
"Burn the Bitch." This is apparently what most LW readers want to happen to the woman who has sex with someone other than her husband in many cheating stories, whether the husband is in on it or not.

And to a lesser extent it's BURN THE BASTARD where the cheated wife exacts revenge. I don't think this trope is popular at LW. ;) My last THE BOOK OF RUTH tale (being slowly written now) is heading towards BATBAB (Burn All The Bitches And Bastards) where every cheater of any gender ends up badly. A grand guignol sort of climax. Wham! Only innocent little children will be spared. [/me plays cloying tragic violin music]
 
I wrote a burn the bastard story it stands at 4.46 which is pretty good for LW

But I made the husband a real tool and I think most readers picked up on that and were okay with what happened.

Of course a few knuckle draggers dropped their usual thousand word long detailed comments about how she should have got hers and gave details....

I can't wait to get my Halloween story up and see what the abusers of women faction thing of it. Its a nice middle finger to all of them.

Hopefully the other "factions" over there can enjoy it.
 
I wrote a burn the bastard story it stands at 4.46 which is pretty good for LW
My only BTB in LW had both cheaters obliterated in a flash flood. It won a Red H. So, make sure The Hand Of Fate crushes the malefactors.
 
My only BTB in LW had both cheaters obliterated in a flash flood. It won a Red H. So, make sure The Hand Of Fate crushes the malefactors.

For me the hand of fate involves asshat men getting what they deserve which kind of makes me the "anti-LW" author.

If I wanted to abuse women I could read any of about 30,000 stories here. :rolleyes:

I got some idiot threatening to kill me after "Thanks for the roses" I'm hoping for more of that from this one.
 
For me the hand of fate involves asshat men getting what they deserve...
See, that's blatant discrimination. Fuckwads come in all DNA types. Crush everyone. Except the innocent little children, of course. [/me fiddles again]
 
Literotica's violence policy:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=772348

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=28782
The Laurel(s) said:
In my limited experience, it depends on how the character is portrayed. I've noticed that if the 'victim' is treated with sympathy, readers tend to be less shocked and upset. However, if the story reads like "then the little bitch was split from head to toe", I (as does the author, I'm sure) get lots of hate mail. A little scariness is fun, but if it comes across as exploitative - if the writer seems to delight in the girl's suffering and fear - many reades (particularly women) will be turned off. You may consider putting a one-line warning at the top of the story to let readers know that it contains violence.


What more could you need to know? Tone it down.
 
My only BTB in LW had both cheaters obliterated in a flash flood. It won a Red H. So, make sure The Hand Of Fate crushes the malefactors.

Let me check that hypothesis. In those of my stories involving infidelity I have the following configurations...

Woman cheats...
Hubby forgives her - 7 stories.
Hubby dumps her - 2 stories
Hubby btb's her and loverboy - 1 story

Man cheats...
Wifey kills him - 1 story

At the time of writing I have two red H's neither of which were granted for the "forgiving type". So yeah - the road to fame and fortune on Lit is indeed being tough and unforgiving with the mrs.

It's just so... contrived in many cases. I mean, you don't scrap your car that you are otherwise happy with just because it blows a gasket.... :confused:
 
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It's just so... contrived in many cases. I mean, you don't scrap your car that you are otherwise happy with just because it blows a gasket.... :confused:
Interesting analogy: marriage as a vehicle, and fidelity as a seal. When the fidelity blows, all the juices of the marriage leak out, maybe with some backfiring.

But maybe fidelity is embodied instead in the tires. When a tire blows at speed, the vehicle can spin out of control and crash. Should check the tires more often, eh?

Let me shift metaphors, from marriage as a vehicle, to marriage as a Game. And by some coincidence, I discuss that in my piece WHAT IS CHEATING? (linked in my .sig). Depending on which Game Rules those in a relationship may choose or assume, violations of Rules may result in anything from no response to summary execution.

Shifting back to your metaphor, there may be some drivers who don't mind a blown gasket, as long as the car keeps running -- and others who'll just want to drive it off a cliff. Maybe it depends on how *many* gaskets are blown, eh?
 
Literotica's violence policy:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=772348

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=28782



What more could you need to know? Tone it down.

That doesn't say tone it down as in the site will care, that's telling authors they might get some nasty comments

This site has no desire to curb violence, especially towards women.

Remember you're talking about a site that says it does not allow actual rape stories, but has a category called non consent

So for me anytime "the site" starts talking about rules I hear the Charlie Brown Teacher sound effect.
 
Funny, Hypoxia, I also wrote an essay on cheating called "What Really Is Cheating?"

LOL

As for me, I don't like over the top revenge, and frankly, more burn the bastard stories are over the top than burn the bitch, in that more involve maiming and serious lifelong consequences. I don't mind revenge within reason, however. I also don't like when excessive revenge is treated is more okay for one sex than the other or when the excessive avenger is somehow able to avoid confronting his or her own demons. Or when the excessive avenger is treated with more sympathy by the author than he or she should.

Other than that, burn away. LOL. Within reason.

PS: Though my definition of "over the top" is probably a little subjective, considering that one of my series involves a jilted husband's ghost haunting his faithless wife.
 
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Funny, Hypoxia, I also wrote an essay on cheating called "What Really Is Cheating?"

LOL

As for me, I don't like over the top revenge, and frankly, more burn the bastard stories are over the top than burn the bitch, in that more involve maiming and serious lifelong consequences. I don't mind revenge within reason, however. I also don't like when excessive revenge is treated is more okay for one sex than the other or when the excessive avenger is somehow able to avoid confronting his or her own demons. Or when the excessive avenger is treated with more sympathy by the author than he or she should.

Other than that, burn away. LOL. Within reason.

PS: Though my definition of "over the top" is probably a little subjective, considering that one of my series involves a jilted husband's ghost haunting his faithless wife.

I think you need to go back and check some more LW stories, unless you think wives being gang raped and sold into sexual slavery and repeatedly gang raped is not over the top.

In one, the guy sells his wife to a Mexican whore house and has a video camera mounted in her room so he can watch her get beaten and raped every night.

So keep deluding yourself to make you feel good.

You think burn the bastard stories are over the top because its a guy getting hurt and that's why its so bad.

Don't worry no one is going to hurt your precious little weenie.

Typical male tool and the target audience that lit unfortunately caters to.

Not that you're not entitled to your opinion as we all are, but at least admit your feelings and own your shit.

you don't care for burn the bastard because you can't jerk off to women in pain.
 
Maybe it depends on how *many* gaskets are blown, eh?


Heh - good point.

I guess my problem with many revenge stories is, that a relationship seems to hold very little value in the minds of the protagonists. If you have 15 years of shared history, getting rid of your wife shouldn't be like scrapping a car.

Getting revenge I can understand - goes for the lovers too of course - but I don't see why getting back together is such an undesirable outcome. In fact, I see that as more of a victory for the protagonist compared to killing the wife or having her sold to a brothel or whatever else might happen in a btb story.
 
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