Literotica Survivor Contest 2002!!
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Points:
1. An E is three points. Regular submission is two points.
2. Immunity points are awarded through participation in the Feedback, Author, and Discussion forums. Three people are eligible for an immunity each week. Immunities begin in February. Minimum requirements for an immunity: 1 post reflecting the purpose of each forum. In case of too many persons eligible for an immunity it's based on the amount of feedback posts in the feedback board. Top 3 get it.
3. Any additional submissions in one of the used categories counts as one point in a category marked "additional submissions."
4. Posting in 10 categories is 5 points. Posting in 15 categories is an additional 5 points. Posting in 20 categories is an additional 10 points. Posting in all categories is an additional 15 points. Immunities count toward posting totals.
Rules:
Everything submitted between 1/1/02 and Midnight 12/31/02 is eligible. Posting date is not relevant.
You may not "collect" immunities. You must use them on the board. For example, if you win an immunity you must use it in one of the categories as one point. You may not get the E points or regular submission points if you later submit in that category. If you don't use the immunity by the end of the week, you lose it.
You must keep your submissions current. The best way to do this is to have a post in Laurel's survivor update thread and with each new category posted in you edit and update. For example if you post a new one in Anal with an E, you would edit your first post enter the category and then the number of points. Anal - 3 If you choose to use an immunity for Lesbian, you would edit your post and enter Lesbian - 1. The reason for this is to avoid the use of a big board and to keep all posts coherent for the end of the year.
All updates will be done on the honor system. Anyone caught cheating will be removed from the contest. It's easy to catch you doing it, too.
1. An E is three points. Regular submission is two points.
2. Immunity points are awarded through participation in the Feedback, Author, and Discussion forums. Three people are eligible for an immunity each week. Immunities begin in February. Minimum requirements for an immunity: 1 post reflecting the purpose of each forum. In case of too many persons eligible for an immunity it's based on the amount of feedback posts in the feedback board. Top 3 get it.
3. Any additional submissions in one of the used categories counts as one point in a category marked "additional submissions."
4. Posting in 10 categories is 5 points. Posting in 15 categories is an additional 5 points. Posting in 20 categories is an additional 10 points. Posting in all categories is an additional 15 points. Immunities count toward posting totals.
Rules:
Everything submitted between 1/1/02 and Midnight 12/31/02 is eligible. Posting date is not relevant.
You may not "collect" immunities. You must use them on the board. For example, if you win an immunity you must use it in one of the categories as one point. You may not get the E points or regular submission points if you later submit in that category. If you don't use the immunity by the end of the week, you lose it.
You must keep your submissions current. The best way to do this is to have a post in Laurel's survivor update thread and with each new category posted in you edit and update. For example if you post a new one in Anal with an E, you would edit your first post enter the category and then the number of points. Anal - 3 If you choose to use an immunity for Lesbian, you would edit your post and enter Lesbian - 1. The reason for this is to avoid the use of a big board and to keep all posts coherent for the end of the year.
All updates will be done on the honor system. Anyone caught cheating will be removed from the contest. It's easy to catch you doing it, too.
Hecate
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I am in !
Even though I haven'T really understood the immunity system yet ... but I hope I will figure it out eventually. But maybe you can take a minute again and try to elaborate the "what to do to get immunity points" section again? Where do we post? what about do we post? and ... are you gonna tell me if I am eligible for an immunity point????
Even though I haven'T really understood the immunity system yet ... but I hope I will figure it out eventually. But maybe you can take a minute again and try to elaborate the "what to do to get immunity points" section again? Where do we post? what about do we post? and ... are you gonna tell me if I am eligible for an immunity point????
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Count me in as well.
One suggestion.
I reckon it would be better to drop the Editorial choice to attract bonus points.
As this is down to personal choice, it doesn't make for a fair and unbiased voting system. The stories that attract an (E) are those that the editor personally likes and personal selections shouldn't be considered.
The Immunity system seems to work fine.
Right, I'm under starters orders....
One suggestion.
I reckon it would be better to drop the Editorial choice to attract bonus points.
As this is down to personal choice, it doesn't make for a fair and unbiased voting system. The stories that attract an (E) are those that the editor personally likes and personal selections shouldn't be considered.
The Immunity system seems to work fine.
Right, I'm under starters orders....
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KillerMuffin said:
this is the only one I have a problem with, as a incompetant writer this means no chance at all for an imunity point cause the only feedback I could give is if someone posted about my story.
Author forum like I would have any thing to say beisdes stories are words words are letter.
and the story discussion, well I am as eloquant as a bever in winter. "Uh that story made me cum, that story was too wordy"
So can we revamp this one point a bit to be more fair to "everyone"
OH yeah I am in for the 2002 contest, whats a contest without at least one whiner?
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Hey, it was just some thoughts. Add your own ideas!
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I've changed my mind about...
the immunity system.
For my old brain it seems a tad complicated!
Can't we keep it in the form of a competition like Survivor. I find it easy to select a name (or whatever) than to start calculating feedback totals and such.
Again it's only those who get feedback, if there are no outright selections from the post writing section of the Immunity, will be eligible for immunity.
Not all of us get feedback...
The competition is about writing stories.
The immunities should br based on something which is luck (like Survivor) than having a competition within a competition.
I think that's all my thoughts...
For now anyway
ppman
the immunity system.
For my old brain it seems a tad complicated!
Can't we keep it in the form of a competition like Survivor. I find it easy to select a name (or whatever) than to start calculating feedback totals and such.
Again it's only those who get feedback, if there are no outright selections from the post writing section of the Immunity, will be eligible for immunity.
Not all of us get feedback...
The competition is about writing stories.
The immunities should br based on something which is luck (like Survivor) than having a competition within a competition.
I think that's all my thoughts...
For now anyway
ppman
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I didn't mean getting feedback. I meant giving feedback on others' stories. Specifically constructive criticism. I should be more clear. You'd think I'd learn to do that by now, wouldn't you?
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my thoughts....
I agree with those who suggested another immunity challenge - something more luck-like and less time intensive. I - selfishly - would rather spend the little time I have to write my stories and the even less online time I will have to hang out with my friends and discuss the fun stuff *s* The first option with the feedback boards etc. is very very honorable and I wil take the hint to put up more feedback so KM *winks* you converted another feedback-slacker *g* I like the thought though that you have to make up your mind as to what categories you want to use the points in instead of having simply extra points!
As for the E's - I too think we shouldn't give extras for that. I write the way I write and the way many people like (at least they say so now and then) - but maybe not the way Laurel likes... does that make my story less good in general? Lucky those who get the E's, those are sure "story pushers" in number of hits so we are as authors rewarded already by increased volume of readers, right?
On the down side - I have critisized a lot now but really can't come up with any constructive ideas for the immunity challenge so I shall retreat now and torture my poor little mind in that respect.
I agree with those who suggested another immunity challenge - something more luck-like and less time intensive. I - selfishly - would rather spend the little time I have to write my stories and the even less online time I will have to hang out with my friends and discuss the fun stuff *s* The first option with the feedback boards etc. is very very honorable and I wil take the hint to put up more feedback so KM *winks* you converted another feedback-slacker *g* I like the thought though that you have to make up your mind as to what categories you want to use the points in instead of having simply extra points!
As for the E's - I too think we shouldn't give extras for that. I write the way I write and the way many people like (at least they say so now and then) - but maybe not the way Laurel likes... does that make my story less good in general? Lucky those who get the E's, those are sure "story pushers" in number of hits so we are as authors rewarded already by increased volume of readers, right?
On the down side - I have critisized a lot now but really can't come up with any constructive ideas for the immunity challenge so I shall retreat now and torture my poor little mind in that respect.
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i'd like to try it agan as well; i'll have more time to be online for reasons so pathetic i'd rather not divulge. i think a good idea would be to give an extra point or two for every three pages to a story. i know that the writers in this contest wouldn't write three pages of shit, so it would be a good challege, i think. then again, i'm an idiot.
i'd like to try it agan as well; i'll have more time to be online for reasons so pathetic i'd rather not divulge. i think a good idea would be to give an extra point or two for every three pages to a story. i know that the writers in this contest wouldn't write three pages of shit, so it would be a good challege, i think. then again, i'm an idiot.
I'll live with whatever rules people come up with. I said on the other thread that I thought there should be a bonus for over 10 000 hits. Laurel can easily verify. I also think there should be 1 point credit for more than four stories submitted in a calendar month OR an author can earn an immunity point by submitting more than five stories in a calendar month. How about we give two bonus points for every 5 Es accumulated? That would really push those of us who are lucky enough to receive them but wouldn't seriously disadvantage those who don't.
Just a few ramblings.
Just a few ramblings.
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as for the "number of stories per month" ... I don't like that idea to be honest ... all I will do is wait till I have four or how many ever stories finished and submit them at once ... then none in a while till I have accumulated some more. I don't really see what that has to do with any achievment in regards to deserving extra points ... or did I misunderstand the concept?
The E's - I don't mind putting some LIGHT extra bonus to those *shruggs shoulders* so whatever you want to do with it is fine as long as it doesn't influence the competition too severly.
As for number of hits - *again shrugging shoulders* since I have not the faintest idea to the number of hits my stories get I am fine with it. I guess it is a slight advantage for the "well known" writers and a little less good for the newcomers who haven't got a name yet. Like me, I simply read new stuff by KM usually - just becasue KM wrote it. And I know many others do - but as I said - I really don't mind that one....
Story length - can we (if we should decide on it) agree on a certain number of words please????
ok, off again - and still wrecking my brain for a neat immunity challenge *sighs*
The E's - I don't mind putting some LIGHT extra bonus to those *shruggs shoulders* so whatever you want to do with it is fine as long as it doesn't influence the competition too severly.
As for number of hits - *again shrugging shoulders* since I have not the faintest idea to the number of hits my stories get I am fine with it. I guess it is a slight advantage for the "well known" writers and a little less good for the newcomers who haven't got a name yet. Like me, I simply read new stuff by KM usually - just becasue KM wrote it. And I know many others do - but as I said - I really don't mind that one....
Story length - can we (if we should decide on it) agree on a certain number of words please????
ok, off again - and still wrecking my brain for a neat immunity challenge *sighs*
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Whew, that is awfully complicated KM. It makes my brain hurt just to think about it.
How about this?
1. Participants are split into tribes. The tribe with the losing score has to vote someone off.
2. The score is the rating * the number of votes.
3. Person with the highest score on each team has immunity.
4. Every month there is a new random category. Scores for stories written in for that category are doubled as far as the immunity challenge is concerned.
Maybe somehow work a chain story into the mix so that personal interactions help to determine who is voted off.
How about this?
1. Participants are split into tribes. The tribe with the losing score has to vote someone off.
2. The score is the rating * the number of votes.
3. Person with the highest score on each team has immunity.
4. Every month there is a new random category. Scores for stories written in for that category are doubled as far as the immunity challenge is concerned.
Maybe somehow work a chain story into the mix so that personal interactions help to determine who is voted off.
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Yes! The chain story is a series called Survivor. We determine the setting in advance and the story is about our interactions with one another and the other tribe members.
The score for the chain story is double the points to be added to the team total.
The score for the chain story is double the points to be added to the team total.
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Couture said:
OUCH!
I can't see why immunity points can't be taken from something on TV like they were in Survivor.
Winning football teams for that week's matches for instance, with a limit on the number of games listed.
I'm almost tempted to volunteer to run that side of things myself using the English Football League. But we should probably keep it an "American Affair".
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For an imunity once a month I can offer the main event of that months WWF Pay Per View.
I can make it fair by building up the entire history of why that match is occuring, what key wins against one another etc. so that everyone knows fully what is happening and understands why. instead of two unknown names to pick from.
I can only do this once a month and have it begun build up 2-1 week bbefore hand and the voting coould go till 5pm est the day of the ppv.
that leaves 3 other weeks a month for someone else to come up with.
PS- it would be nice to have diversified immunity challege pool so more people stand a chance.
ie. 4 weeks a month
one week Ppman's english football/rugby
one week Todd-'o'-Vision's wwf ppv
one week Killer Muffin's latest reality tv show
one week ???'s ????
I can make it fair by building up the entire history of why that match is occuring, what key wins against one another etc. so that everyone knows fully what is happening and understands why. instead of two unknown names to pick from.
I can only do this once a month and have it begun build up 2-1 week bbefore hand and the voting coould go till 5pm est the day of the ppv.
that leaves 3 other weeks a month for someone else to come up with.
PS- it would be nice to have diversified immunity challege pool so more people stand a chance.
ie. 4 weeks a month
one week Ppman's english football/rugby
one week Todd-'o'-Vision's wwf ppv
one week Killer Muffin's latest reality tv show
one week ???'s ????
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And this year we've got the World Cup being held...
That takes care of the period from June to July...
And that's truly international - you could choose America each time they play if you want, thus combing your Survivor choice with supporting your soccor team to win the Cup!
There's plenty of things we could use.
pp
That takes care of the period from June to July...
And that's truly international - you could choose America each time they play if you want, thus combing your Survivor choice with supporting your soccor team to win the Cup!
There's plenty of things we could use.
pp
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Racking my brain here.
Do we need the element of chance here to make it interesting? You know, the guess a survivor's name and get an immunity point for the week?
Would we be better off if we had something more "controllable" from the author's standpoint?
Say, rather than guess who wins, if you write an extra story in a category, you get an immunity point toward the other?
I don't actually see how immunities helped any in the first place, after looking over the big boards and the results. Do we need them?
Could we just do this as a totalling thing?
I also move that previous winners be stricken from winning.
Do we need the element of chance here to make it interesting? You know, the guess a survivor's name and get an immunity point for the week?
Would we be better off if we had something more "controllable" from the author's standpoint?
Say, rather than guess who wins, if you write an extra story in a category, you get an immunity point toward the other?
I don't actually see how immunities helped any in the first place, after looking over the big boards and the results. Do we need them?
Could we just do this as a totalling thing?
I also move that previous winners be stricken from winning.
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You could make it so that there are 3 ways of earning 2 points in a category:
1) Get an "E" (if you still want those) or an "H".
2) If your story gets nominated as one of that month's category nominations (which depends on reader votes).
3) Write two stories in the category.
If you DO decide to do the immunity point situation, it should be drawn out well in advance to prevent lagtime. IMHO
1) Get an "E" (if you still want those) or an "H".
2) If your story gets nominated as one of that month's category nominations (which depends on reader votes).
3) Write two stories in the category.
If you DO decide to do the immunity point situation, it should be drawn out well in advance to prevent lagtime. IMHO
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Please include me in the contest; though, obviously, I disagree with Muff that those who finished in the top 5 should be disqualified from placing in the top spots. Otherwise, where's the incentive to try harder this year? I came in fifth--this year, I want to *win*.
Also, I'd be perfectly happy with the immunity system going the way of the Dodo. It's about the stories, and being prolific, in my opinion. Of course, this could just be because I don't tend to watch television, so I'm biased.
I really like the idea of making "H's and Category nominations count for something. It takes some of the pressure off Laurel, and it means that those who write popular (but not Laurel's cup of tea) stories will still get recognized. Nice ideas, whoever came up with those.
Whenever we get to counting, will somebody give me a buzz so I can join?
RS
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Also, I'd be perfectly happy with the immunity system going the way of the Dodo. It's about the stories, and being prolific, in my opinion. Of course, this could just be because I don't tend to watch television, so I'm biased.
I really like the idea of making "H's and Category nominations count for something. It takes some of the pressure off Laurel, and it means that those who write popular (but not Laurel's cup of tea) stories will still get recognized. Nice ideas, whoever came up with those.
Whenever we get to counting, will somebody give me a buzz so I can join?
RS
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My finalised thoughts...
1) Immunity is necessary. It relieves the pressure on authors who find it distateful (or even impossible) to write into certain categories. Immunity will give them a chance to pick up points they may never have received.
2) As the choice not to write into a category is the author's own, then an Immunity point should be a "wild card" system (like Survivor). If they don't win they don't get the point, which they wouldn't have had in the first place anyway.
3) I think we should dump the 'E' but make the 'H' count towards an extra point. If the story gets read and is popular enough to gain an 'H' status, it should be recognised in the scoring system.
4) I would not go with the monthly nomination idea, as with this it's all to do with timing. A story would have to be submitted early in the month to have a chance in gaining the necessary nomination based on readers' votes. And if they fail one month they would have to repeat for the next. Authors are not machines. I write when the mood takes me.
I'd also be against the idea of writing two stories to one category as this would not be challenging enough. The reason I personally like Survivor is that I'm restricted to one story per category, which enables me to chance my arm with categories I would never have attempted if it wasn't for the competition.
Whereas with the 'H' idea the earlier in the year a story is submitted the better. It would also get a lot of us working earlier and not leaving everything until the last minute. My main problem!
When do we start?
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I also don't think it would be a good move to disqualify previous winners from winning again. Everyone should have an equal chance at the start, forgetting the previous results. And as RisiaSkye says, where's the incentive if you know you can't win. No matter how well you've written and how many readers voted for you to help you gain extra points?
1) Immunity is necessary. It relieves the pressure on authors who find it distateful (or even impossible) to write into certain categories. Immunity will give them a chance to pick up points they may never have received.
2) As the choice not to write into a category is the author's own, then an Immunity point should be a "wild card" system (like Survivor). If they don't win they don't get the point, which they wouldn't have had in the first place anyway.
3) I think we should dump the 'E' but make the 'H' count towards an extra point. If the story gets read and is popular enough to gain an 'H' status, it should be recognised in the scoring system.
4) I would not go with the monthly nomination idea, as with this it's all to do with timing. A story would have to be submitted early in the month to have a chance in gaining the necessary nomination based on readers' votes. And if they fail one month they would have to repeat for the next. Authors are not machines. I write when the mood takes me.
I'd also be against the idea of writing two stories to one category as this would not be challenging enough. The reason I personally like Survivor is that I'm restricted to one story per category, which enables me to chance my arm with categories I would never have attempted if it wasn't for the competition.
Whereas with the 'H' idea the earlier in the year a story is submitted the better. It would also get a lot of us working earlier and not leaving everything until the last minute. My main problem!
When do we start?
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I also don't think it would be a good move to disqualify previous winners from winning again. Everyone should have an equal chance at the start, forgetting the previous results. And as RisiaSkye says, where's the incentive if you know you can't win. No matter how well you've written and how many readers voted for you to help you gain extra points?
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The problem with H's is that they aren't permanent. Mine run in and out of the letter all the time. You can conceivably carry an H for a short set of time, then lose it. Does it still count? Or must you carry the H for the full year? How do we deal with voter fraud in this instance? There is no way to prove an H once it's gone, so how do we deal with someone who claims to have an H is and is currently carrying a 3.19?
H's aren't permanent so they aren't viable. E's are because they are permanent. W's could be worth something as well. Perhaps honorable mentions in the monthly contests since there are records of those.
I like the notion of E's, but I know that it makes Laurel uncomfortable and it isn't strictly fair since this contest is about prolificness, not Laurel's idea of what's good writing. However, I think that there has to be a way for an author to earn more than the base point in a story so that ties won't be a problem.
I agree that if immunities are included then it must be based on a random element.
H's aren't permanent so they aren't viable. E's are because they are permanent. W's could be worth something as well. Perhaps honorable mentions in the monthly contests since there are records of those.
I like the notion of E's, but I know that it makes Laurel uncomfortable and it isn't strictly fair since this contest is about prolificness, not Laurel's idea of what's good writing. However, I think that there has to be a way for an author to earn more than the base point in a story so that ties won't be a problem.
I agree that if immunities are included then it must be based on a random element.
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I was actually just thinking of myself in the "winner's can't win" column since I picked up the big prize. I want to make sure things are fair.
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KillerMuffin said:
You have to forget about winning last time.
All things start afresh.
That's why putting more influence into the readers' hands is good thing. As it would be their votes that would give the extra points.
Unless I've missed something gain...
I saw the point from Laurel about any Immunity would have to be planned well in advance. The World Soccer Cup starts in June for 8 weeks, Wimbledon in June as well for two weeks, I'm sure Todd could tell us about Wrestling. There are quite a few long term events taking place we could use.
I don't even mind the Survivor programme again! After all it's all luck anyway.
If you need help and you decide to go ahead I'm happy to handle the World Soccer Cup and/or Wimbledon.
