Listen to our Canadian friends, about Hillary

Faneros

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This was sent from Canada to a friend of mine in the States.


I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary Clinton introduced her new
health care plan. Something similar to what we have in Canada. I also heard
that Michael Moore was raving about the health care up here in Canada in his
latest movie. As your friend and someone who lives with the Canada health
care plan I thought I would give you some facts about this great medical
plan that we have in Canada.

First of all:

1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a premium every month
of $96 for Shirley and me to be covered. Sounds great eh. What they don't
tell you is how much we pay in taxes to keep the health care system afloat.
I am personally in the 55% tax bracket. Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes.
A large portion of that - and I am not sure of the exact amount - goes
directly to health care - our #1 expense.

2) I would not classify what we have as a health care plan; it is more like
a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor quick enough so
he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you need an operation" but now
the challenge becomes getting treated or operated on. We have waiting lists
out the ying yang - some as much as 2 years down the road.

3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you, the usual tactic in Canada
is to prescribe drugs. Having a pain here is a drug to take - not what is
causing the pain and why. No time for checking you out because it is more
important to move as many patients thru as possible each hour for Government re-imbursement.

4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.

5) Don't try to get emergency treatment as you may spend hours in the
emergency room waiting for treatment.

6) Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back and it
required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we had to pay
$125 for a splint because it is not covered. Under health care plus, we have
to pay $60 for each visit for him to check it out each week.

7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage and put on a waiting
list. He died before he could get treatment.

8) Government allots so many operations per year. When that is done, no more operations unless you go to your local newspaper and plead your case and embarrass the government - then money suddenly appears.

9) The Government takes great pride in telling us how much more they are
increasing the funding for health care, but the waiting lists never get
shorter. Government just keeps throwing money at the problem but it never
goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to tax us - they don't call
it a tax anymore - it is now a user fee.

10) A friend needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but because she is
a smoker they will not do it, despite paying into the health care system all
these years. My friend is 65 years old. Now there is talk that maybe we
should not treat fat and obese people either because they are a drain on the
health care system. Let me see now, what we want in Canada is a health are
system for healthy people only. That should reduce our health care costs.

11) Forget getting a second opinion; what you see is what you get.

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes,
junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not allowed by law
to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be
jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a hockey player or
athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go figger. Where else in the
world can you spend money to kill yourself but not allowed to spend money to
get healthy.

13) Oh, did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically at tax payer
expense having never contributed a dollar to the system and paying no
premiums?

14) Oh yeah, we now give free needles to drug users to try and keep them
healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your house and
stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay into the health care
system have to pay for their needles because it is not covered by the health
care system.


I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election looms in the
states you will be hearing more and more about universal health care down
there. The advocates will be pointing to Canada. I just want to make sure
that you hear the truth about health care up here and have some food for
thought and are informed and have questions to ask when broached with this
subject.

Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.


God help you if Hillary Clinton is elected President.
 
crazybbwgirl said:
The really sad thing is - most people will read the top post and believe it without even checking further.

*nods* I've gotten into the habit of immediately checking snopes.com any time I run across a post saying they got it in an email or that they found it on a blog. Especiially political issues.

I despise Hillary (Go Obama!) but there isn't much point in letting stuff float without being questioned.
 
ma_guy said:
*nods* I've gotten into the habit of immediately checking snopes.com any time I run across a post saying they got it in an email or that they found it on a blog. Especiially political issues.

I despise Hillary (Go Obama!) but there isn't much point in letting stuff float without being questioned.

I have no use for Hillary eitherh (Go Dennis!) but I think truthiness is good.
 
Is there a snopes for the snopes place? Like dueling truthiness places?

We could discover this is true and Bloody Mary wrote it.
 
The criticism of Emergency Room treatment is what always makes me shake my head.

I've attended the ER on a number of occasions. Canada's ERs are like every other ER in the world. They see patients based on need. For example: I went to the ER one weekend because a terrible ear infection had hit me and caused some severe pain. I needed meds right away to alleviate the pain. I had to wait a little while. The infection was not going to kill me.

I've also been taken to the ER after a car accident and took myself once while suffering from a severe allergic reaction to my medication. On both occasions I was immediately taken to a room and received immediate treatment.
 
Spence99 said:
The criticism of Emergency Room treatment is what always makes me shake my head.

I've attended the ER on a number of occasions. Canada's ERs are like every other ER in the world. They see patients based on need. For example: I went to the ER one weekend because a terrible ear infection had hit me and caused some severe pain. I needed meds right away to alleviate the pain. I had to wait a little while. The infection was not going to kill me.

I've also been taken to the ER after a car accident and took myself once while suffering from a severe allergic reaction to my medication. On both occasions I was immediately taken to a room and received immediate treatment.

The 55% tax rate didn't tip you off? Really, what's the rate.
 
Recidiva said:
The 55% tax rate didn't tip you off? Really, what's the rate.

The tax rate differs province to province. The federal rate is the base rate, the province's and territories then set their own rates based on a percentage of the federal rate.

I'm not a tax accountant, so I couldn't possibly quote the exact rates.
 
Recidiva said:
Is there a snopes for the snopes place? Like dueling truthiness places?

We could discover this is true and Bloody Mary wrote it.


I was thinking the same thing.

It sounded like a white wash for socialized medicine.
 
Recidiva said:
Is there a snopes for the snopes place? Like dueling truthiness places?

We could discover this is true and Bloody Mary wrote it.

If there is I haven't found it yet. Snopes does have their own forum where users do post corrections to their stuff though. I've caught a few "errors" in some of their stuff.


Want to start a site? :)
 
Faneros said:
Oh, I guess I got fooled.....

This is what happens when your opinion on everything comes from copy and paste bullshit.
 
And the truth is probably in between the cut and pasted e-mail and the Snopes commentary trying to discredit it. Why would you not see a bias in the Snopes commentary as well? It jumps around from province to province to justify its negation of the original statements, which is manipulating data as much as the original e-mail. The commentary also refuses to conceed a single point to the e-mail, an immediate tip off that it is also biased.

If even 10% of what is in the e-mail is correct, why on earth would we want to go down that route? We have a good medical system in this country. Why would we want to ruin it, just to feel false compassion for the imaginary downtrodden?
 
vetteman said:
I wonder where Canadians are going to go for their emergency surgery if we institute Hillary care?

I don't know much about Hillary's health care plan, but I have doubts that it will remove the private insurance components of the current system. Canadians with cash, tired of waiting for necessary procedures will still be able to purchase those services in the United States. Or other countries.

Canada is one of three countries in the world that does not allow its citizens to purchase health care services or insurance. The other two are Cuba and North Korea.
 
Spence99 said:
I don't know much about Hillary's health care plan, but I have doubts that it will remove the private insurance components of the current system. Canadians with cash, tired of waiting for necessary procedures will still be able to purchase those services in the United States. Or other countries.

Canada is one of three countries in the world that does not allow its citizens to purchase health care services or insurance. The other two are Cuba and North Korea.
Yeah, I thought that aspect of your system was rather strange when MWF explained it to me.
 
SeanH said:
Yeah, I thought that aspect of your system was rather strange when MWF explained it to me.

Want to hear stranger?

I can buy an MRI for my pet.

I can't buy one for myself unless I go to New York State or Michigan.

Hospitals in Niagara Falls have pamphlet displays full of ads for private clinics across the border.
 
Spence99 said:
Want to hear stranger?

I can buy an MRI for my pet.

I can't buy one for myself unless I go to New York State or Michigan.

Hospitals in Niagara Falls have pamphlet displays full of ads for private clinics across the border.
LOL, that's nuts.
And next time the yanks give you grief about Canadians coming South for private health care, ask them how many yanks go South of their border for cheaper dentistry, drugs and operations.
 
I got as far as the "I pay 55% in taxes" and became dubious. Obviously this was written by an American who has culled questionable material into a vastly exaggerated picture of the Canadian health care system.

I'm not a big fan of our system, but this is mostly a load of bullshit.
 
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