Lindsey Lohan…”The Parent Trap”…

[amicus]

What with the recent flurry in the Media, with Paris Hilton, Anna Nicole, and Britney Spears…who cares and if so, why? I wondered why no such ‘flurry’ with Lindsey Lohan; who is she anyway?

But….surfing the channels, as I do from time to time….a remake of the “Parent Trap” which I recall as “Haley Mills”, daughter of Donna Mills, an acting family, and a newer version of an older German play or film…came to mind and I saw the name, “Lindsey Lohan”…so I watched the Disney like film and discovered a child actress with talent.

You can ‘google’ as I did and discover who this person is, if you wish.

Suffice it to say, that when the Media demands the DUI, suspended license, drug possession charges are levied….I wonder, I really wonder, if these, ‘special people’ in our world, are subject to common law.


Not that it matters….


Amicus…

 

[S-Des]

She was a decent enough child actress, although her last few films have been bombs. She's more famous for everyone perving on her as she went from 16-18, waiting for the inevitable nude scenes when she was old enough (there was even a website that had a countdown clock for when she'd be 18 and legal). She's spent the last three years dealing with her demons (an incredibly irresponsible mother and negligent father will do that), and is losing the battle.

As for this incident, yup, she's going to jail. She chased her assistant's mom (the whole thing on video) in a car at speeds up to 100mph while drunk and driving on a suspended license. Then to put a cherry on top of her day, the police found coke in her pocket while they were booking her. The three men she was with are all turning on her, and apparently she ran over one of them (injuring his foot) at the start of the chase. The other two have accused her of saying, "I don't give a shit, I'm a celebrity . . . they can't do anything to me." We all know judges love to hear that.

 

[amicus]

She was a decent enough child actress, although her last few films have been bombs. She's more famous for everyone perving on her as she went from 16-18, waiting for the inevitable nude scenes when she was old enough (there was even a website that had a countdown clock for when she'd be 18 and legal). She's spent the last three years dealing with her demons (an incredibly irresponsible mother and negligent father will do that), and is losing the battle.

As for this incident, yup, she's going to jail. She chased her assistant's mom (the whole thing on video) in a car at speeds up to 100mph while drunk and driving on a suspended license. Then to put a cherry on top of her day, the police found coke in her pocket while they were booking her. The three men she was with are all turning on her, and apparently she ran over one of them (injuring his foot) at the start of the chase. The other two have accused her of saying, "I don't give a shit, I'm a celebrity . . . they can't do anything to me." We all know judges love to hear that.

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Yeah, I get all that, S-Des, but Steven Hawkings, gets a break, and Albert Einstein was a fuckwad in his personal life and so was Lindberg and Roosevelt and Eisenhower, who diddled his driver in England while constructing the D-Day invasions...

And Nicole Kidman, the 'shoplifting' thing a few years ago....my query was...maybe there are, 'special' people in this world, who give us great things and benefits...are maybe...just a bit beyond common law?

Not saying it is so, or should be...just asking...


Amicus...

 

[cloudy]

And Nicole Kidman, the 'shoplifting' thing a few years ago....my query was...maybe there are, 'special' people in this world, who give us great things and benefits...are maybe...just a bit beyond common law?

Not saying it is so, or should be...just asking...


Amicus...

That was Winona Ryder, not Nicole Kidman.

And, the answer to your question is no. They're human, just like the rest of us.

 

[CeriseNoire]

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Yeah, I get all that, S-Des, but Steven Hawkings, gets a break, and Albert Einstein was a fuckwad in his personal life and so was Lindberg and Roosevelt and Eisenhower, who diddled his driver in England while constructing the D-Day invasions...

And Nicole Kidman, the 'shoplifting' thing a few years ago....my query was...maybe there are, 'special' people in this world, who give us great things and benefits...are maybe...just a bit beyond common law?

Not saying it is so, or should be...just asking...


Amicus...

I've thought about that in the past. I can see these "special people" making a mess of their personal lives, or indulging in various legal vices, perhaps to cope with being somewhat out of the ordinary.

But putting them beyond the law worries me, because the next question is where do we put the boundaries for "special ones"? Do we let them consistently batter people? Rape? Murder?

 

[tickledkitty]

I actually feel sorry for her. She's obviously ill. Going through something like that, even if it is your own fault, is horrible. But going through it in the media spotlight? I can't even imagine. She's probably surrounded by a bunch of enablers and hangers on who will be no help to her at all in the recovery process. It's just sad.

 

[glynndah]

Hayley Mills wasn't the daughter of Donna Mills. She was the daughter of John Mills and the niece of Juliet Mills.

 

[gauchecritic]

In my vague almost non-existent research, carried out over many decades and now straight from the top of my head, there are two main reasons for 'entertainer quick burn' as I've just popularly named it. One is what I call the 23/15 syndrome and the other is 'no higher' trauma.

The 23/15 syndrome is that particular kind of pairing that often occurs when a 23 year old meets and is attracted to a 15 year old (not paedophilia just simple age difference attraction) The 23 year old is bound to lead a 15 year old into activities that they wouldn't normally come into contact with at that age. Sex, drinking, x-rated movies and so on. (yes I know that lots of 15 year olds in this day and age have a large experience of all these but I was 15 in the 70's and it's my theory anyway).
Young entertainers meet their 23 year old usually in the shape of agents who are willing to give in to absolutely any demands whatsoever from their proteges (or gravy trains), in effect promoting self-destructive behaviour.

'No higher' trauma is the effect of expending nervous energy in return for applause. It's a tremendous high and lots of entertainers seek its equivalent in drink, drugs etc

Sex and drugs < rock and roll. (< less than =) doesn't trip of the tongue so easily.

 

[S-Des]

In my vague almost non-existent research, carried out over many decades and now straight from the top of my head, there are two main reasons for 'entertainer quick burn' as I've just popularly named it. One is what I call the 23/15 syndrome and the other is 'no higher' trauma.

The 23/15 syndrome is that particular kind of pairing that often occurs when a 23 year old meets and is attracted to a 15 year old (not paedophilia just simple age difference attraction) The 23 year old is bound to lead a 15 year old into activities that they wouldn't normally come into contact with at that age. Sex, drinking, x-rated movies and so on. (yes I know that lots of 15 year olds in this day and age have a large experience of all these but I was 15 in the 70's and it's my theory anyway).

That may have some merit. Lindsay has a propensity for dating much older men (more than double her age). One would guess it's obviously her trying to replace her missing father, but I'll leave that to professionals. Now she hangs with kids her own age who are complete enablers. Guys who want to do her, girls who want to hang out in her circles and meet famous people, other famous people who are almost as screwed up as her, etc . . . Someone gave her cocaine a week out of rehab, so it's not like she has people looking out for her best interests (or if she does, she's not listening to them). Like I said, she's going to jail for this one, perhaps it'll be a bit of a wake-up call.

 

[amicus]

That was Winona Ryder, not Nicole Kidman.

And, the answer to your question is no. They're human, just like the rest of us.

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"...RYDER VERDICT: In case you haven't heard, Winona Ryder was found guilty Wednesday in her shoplifting case. But the actress's lawyer, Mark Geragos, says he will petition for a new trial. Ryder was found guilty of two felonies, vandalism and grand theft, but not of commercial burglary. That count would have required the jury to believe Ryder's shoplifting spree was premeditated. Juror Walter Fox said on Thursday morning's "Today" show that the surveillance tape showing Ryder leaving the Beverly Hills Saks Fifth Avenue store with stolen merchandise was the most damning evidence against her...."

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I stand corrected, thank you.

Amicus

 

[amicus]

Hayley Mills wasn't the daughter of Donna Mills. She was the daughter of John Mills and the niece of Juliet Mills.

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"...Hayley Mills was born to actor John Mills and playwright Mary Hayley Bell on April 18, 1946, in London, England. Her full name is Hayley Catherine Rose Vivien Mills. She is the sister of actress Juliet Mills, and of Jonathan Mills. I have heard that Jonathan is a film director now. Juliet is still acting as well. You may have seen her on the American soap opera, "Passions."

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Thank you also for the correction...

I trust that et al, will be as fastidious when my posts contain other faulty data of a more important nature...I hasten to add that I had never knowingly seen a film with Lindsey Lohan in it and was startled to run across her name as a child actress in the aforementioned film.

Guess I need to search even trivial comments....thanks again.

Amicus...

 

[amicus]

In my vague almost non-existent research, carried out over many decades and now straight from the top of my head, there are two main reasons for 'entertainer quick burn' as I've just popularly named it. One is what I call the 23/15 syndrome and the other is 'no higher' trauma.

The 23/15 syndrome is that particular kind of pairing that often occurs when a 23 year old meets and is attracted to a 15 year old (not paedophilia just simple age difference attraction) The 23 year old is bound to lead a 15 year old into activities that they wouldn't normally come into contact with at that age. Sex, drinking, x-rated movies and so on. (yes I know that lots of 15 year olds in this day and age have a large experience of all these but I was 15 in the 70's and it's my theory anyway).
Young entertainers meet their 23 year old usually in the shape of agents who are willing to give in to absolutely any demands whatsoever from their proteges (or gravy trains), in effect promoting self-destructive behaviour.

'No higher' trauma is the effect of expending nervous energy in return for applause. It's a tremendous high and lots of entertainers seek its equivalent in drink, drugs etc

Sex and drugs < rock and roll. (< less than =) doesn't trip of the tongue so easily.

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That 23/15 thing is an interesting take on things, Gauche, interesting.

Just read a brief bio of Ms. Lohan, seems like a difficult childhood, reminds me of the girl in "Stick It", the Judge said to her something like, "A lot of people have bad parents, we have to get over it."

I noticed also, scanning the films Lohan has made that there seems to be a lack of quality selection of scripts chosen for her at a very early age.

It was just a small puzzle to me as Paris Hilton was headline news for weeks and Ms. Logan is seldom mentioned after the initial event...dunno...


amicus...

 

[Vermilion]

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"...Hayley Mills was born to actor John Mills and playwright Mary Hayley Bell on April 18, 1946, in London, England. Her full name is Hayley Catherine Rose Vivien Mills. She is the sister of actress Juliet Mills, and of Jonathan Mills. I have heard that Jonathan is a film director now. Juliet is still acting as well. You may have seen her on the American soap opera, "Passions."

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Amicus...

Her son, Crispian Mills, was a fairly prominent musician in the mid-ninties music-scene, as a member of the band Kula Shaker. He's (apparently) headed for a comeback soon...

They lived on the same road as me when I was in my teens. She's still a very beautiful woman.
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<name dropping to cheer herself up>

 

[Vermilion]

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That 23/15 thing is an interesting take on things, Gauche, interesting.

Just read a brief bio of Ms. Lohan, seems like a difficult childhood, reminds me of the girl in "Stick It", the Judge said to her something like, "A lot of people have bad parents, we have to get over it."

I noticed also, scanning the films Lohan has made that there seems to be a lack of quality selection of scripts chosen for her at a very early age.

It was just a small puzzle to me as Paris Hilton was headline news for weeks and Ms. Logan is seldom mentioned after the initial event...dunno...


amicus...

I think general feeling is more vindictive towards Paris, because she didn;t 'earn' her money and fame ... well... not by working as Lindsay Lohan did.

Just a guess...

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[BonsaiBeauty]

I think Lindsay Lohan is an untalented and overrated celebrity. When you compare her to real actresses, such as Naomi Watts, Jennifer Connelly, Juliette Binoche, Cate Blanchett, etc., she is just a joke. The girl is not even pretty. I have no sympathy for her and I don't like her.

 

[gauchecritic]

The girl is not even pretty. .

 

[CharleyH]

Too many damned freckles, but she does have talent, at least more talent than most Hollywood actors and actresses. People love to hate people. I see her as a cute kid with a party streak not unlike anything I've ever experienced or that many (in my crowd) have experienced. Tabloids either make her a villain or make her a victim of her upbringing. Personally? She just seems like a crazy college chick with a van full of ass holes in this instance, not one of whom offered to drive, pay for a cab or otherwise tell her to call a limo. Great friends.

 

[amicus]

Not that it matters in the least, but I was in Drama Club for a while in college, a hunnert or so years ago, was in a few plays, even the lead in Dracula....I discovered very early on that I had no acting talent at all.

However, it did enable me to have, I think, a better appreciation of those who do, and Lindsey Lohan at age eleven, playing the dual role of twin sisters, one with a 'Brit' upbringing did, in my opinion, a fantastic job in the role(s).

I don't recall seeing any of her other films....and 'pretty', is rather a subjective thing, is it not?

amicus...

 

[lesbiaphrodite]

I just feel very badly for the poor girl. She's only 21 years old and is fighting an up-hill battle against substance abuse. That alone is a Herculean task, even for the seasoned adult, let alone for a child. I just hope for her sake that she takes time out from her lifestyle to get some REAL help at a SERIOUS rehab. She needs at least a 90-day program where they don't let you go out to work out at the gym or use your blackberry or whatever. She needs to be divorced from her lifestyle in order to overcome her substance abuse issues or she'll never quit.

 

[CharleyH]

I just feel very badly for the poor girl. She's only 21 years old and is fighting an up-hill battle against substance abuse. That alone is a Herculean task, even for the seasoned adult, let alone for a child. I just hope for her sake that she takes time out from her lifestyle to get some REAL help at a SERIOUS rehab. She needs at least a 90-day program where they don't let you go out to work out at the gym or use your blackberry or whatever. She needs to be divorced from her lifestyle in order to overcome her substance abuse issues or she'll never quit.

You assume she is fighting a substance abuse problem - that's the problem with news and tabloids and America. Do you KNOW she is an alcoholic? Do you have insider info? Maybe she just likes to party like a regular girl or guy her age? Maybe her friends are dicks for letting her drive after a party night? It's interesting that no tabloid has ever discussed the friends who were in the car.

 

[Vermilion]

Not that it matters in the least, but I was in Drama Club for a while in college, a hunnert or so years ago, was in a few plays, even the lead in Dracula....I discovered very early on that I had no acting talent at all.

However, it did enable me to have, I think, a better appreciation of those who do, and Lindsey Lohan at age eleven, playing the dual role of twin sisters, one with a 'Brit' upbringing did, in my opinion, a fantastic job in the role(s).

I don't recall seeing any of her other films....and 'pretty', is rather a subjective thing, is it not?

amicus...

Hey, look, I think she's an OK actress, but her 'Brit' impersonation was truly appalling. The accent, the approach, everything.

Thing is, she used to be stunning - look at her in the 'Freaky Friday' remake, it was since she went anorexic, tanorexic and blonde/black that she lost her looks. As a milk-skinned, curvy redhead she was truly stunning.

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[lesbiaphrodite]

You assume she is fighting a substance abuse problem - that's the problem with news and tabloids and America. Do you KNOW she is an alcoholic? Do you have insider info? Maybe she just likes to party like a regular girl or guy her age? Maybe her friends are dicks for letting her drive after a party night? It's interesting that no tabloid has ever discussed the friends who were in the car.

Well, I am basing my thoughts on what her mother has said about the situation, and I presume her mother knows. If I'm wrong, then it won't be the first time. But, I saw her mother interviewed on E and she pretty much said Lindsay had a problem with coke and booze...

 

[Vermilion]

Well, I am basing my thoughts on what her mother has said about the situation, and I presume her mother knows. If I'm wrong, then it won't be the first time. But, I saw her mother interviewed on E and she pretty much said Lindsay had a problem with coke and booze...

it's possible her mum is trying for the sympathy vote...

 

[amicus]

Hey, look, I think she's an OK actress, but her 'Brit' impersonation was truly appalling. The accent, the approach, everything.

Thing is, she used to be stunning - look at her in the 'Freaky Friday' remake, it was since she went anorexic, tanorexic and blonde/black that she lost her looks. As a milk-skinned, curvy redhead she was truly stunning.

x
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'appalling..'...perhaps to you...but to this, 'crude' American, who has also traveled London, I found it acceptable, as I do many American, non British speaking actors and actresses who make the attempt. Besides, it was a fiction and a comedy, not a set piece in English manners.

And, I remind you, she was eleven years old at the time and I know what normal girls that age are capable of; I still maintain she gave a superlative performance.

I don't watch films like "Freaky Friday" or "Mean Girls", which, if I recall, was one she did; nor do I know anything about anexoria or what the hell ever tanorexic is, and as I stated before, I know nothing else about her and only recognized her name when I noticed it in the program notes.

Perhaps I did not state it or make it clear, it was simply surprise to see her name as the child actress in that film as I had never paid any attention to her before the recent incident.

Amicus....

 

[Vermilion]

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'appalling..'...perhaps to you...but to this, 'crude' American, who has also traveled London, I found it acceptable, as I do many American, non British speaking actors and actresses who make the attempt. Besides, it was a fiction and a comedy, not a set piece in English manners.

And, I remind you, she was eleven years old at the time and I know what normal girls that age are capable of; I still maintain she gave a superlative performance.

Mostly I blame the director who had obviously never been to England in their life and created a little girl who looked like she'd stepped out of the 1950s... they may as well have pasted Hayley Mills in. English children are not so different from American ones, even the rich ones. My sister was the same age when that was released, made it easy to do a comparison. I still think she's a good actress, I'm just saying that the general concept of Americans playing 'Brits' (we're english, by the way, or scottish, or welsh, or whatever - you wouldn't like to be mistaken for a Canadian, no doubt) is a bit iffy as you rarely manage to pull the accent or mannerisms off.

I don't watch films like "Freaky Friday" or "Mean Girls", which, if I recall, was one she did; nor do I know anything about anexoria or what the hell ever tanorexic is, and as I stated before, I know nothing else about her and only recognized her name when I noticed it in the program notes.

Perhaps I did not state it or make it clear, it was simply surprise to see her name as the child actress in that film as I had never paid any attention to her before the recent incident.

Amicus....

This was in reference to those people debating her attractiveness. Just because you were the OP does not mean every subsequent comment is directed at you.

And tanorexic is those people who over-tan and end up orange.