Limp Bizkit vs. Korn
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Limp Bizkit rocks, but Korn is better. Nothing more to say.
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Not too crazy about either, but I HATE HATE HATE Limp Bizkit, so I guess Korn wins out.
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I like 'em both, but...
I think both bands are quite innovative with their music, but, I have the feeling that they're nearing the end of their 15 minutes.
With the exception of the song that LB subitted for the MIdeuce soundtrack, I was really unimpressed with the early releases from LB. The music was O.K., but the lyrics were quite weak. I have Korn's, Illusions, but really, I wasn't all that wow'd. Sorry, just my opinion.
Now, for a band with staying power, I give you... Rush. Sorry, just MHO. Don't beat me too bad...
I think both bands are quite innovative with their music, but, I have the feeling that they're nearing the end of their 15 minutes.
With the exception of the song that LB subitted for the MIdeuce soundtrack, I was really unimpressed with the early releases from LB. The music was O.K., but the lyrics were quite weak. I have Korn's, Illusions, but really, I wasn't all that wow'd. Sorry, just my opinion.
Now, for a band with staying power, I give you... Rush. Sorry, just MHO. Don't beat me too bad...
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Okay - get ready.....
I hope this won't sound like an old fart - Exp doesn't care - and why should he, really.
But I've worked in the Rock & Roll biz since a teen and I like to think that I attempt to remain in touch, at least to some degree with this stuff. After all I do hang with my 17 year old (who has recently started his own band - with my god damn bass too) - AND - I liken the modern day, current Rock & Roll biz with just about everything else - pro-sports, college sports, Broadway, the movies - all that shit - money and big business has fucked it up.
And these two bands mentioned are caught right in the middle of all this shit. I tend to hate them both from a pure biz standpoint. Then again I hate the suits more. Somewhere along the line - they, Fred Dirst and the rest of them made the decision to "play the game." When they did that - they quit rocking. Endorsements? Holly shit - what's the world coming to when a so-called artist can sing about just about any subject and in socially subversive ways too - and then take dollars from Miller? What the fuck is that?
So to my philosophy plays a big part of who I like and who I don't like. Music aside. Example: I like the Black Crows.
Now - the music. I'm a guitar player and even though I enjoy and actually love all styles and tonalities one can wrench from acoustic and electric guitars - I really love crunch - I fell in love with recordings made in the mid-sixties from Link Wray, back then too - just for the crunch.
Now, both these bands obviously have lots of crunch - but I tell ya what...... getting crunch in the 60's was very hard and getting crunch today is easy. I recently bought what's known in music circles and a Line6 Pod, it's an amp emulator. A computer of sorts that "holds" very, very, very true to the original "amp sounds" of all types. You can edit them and modify them to a great deal. I own about 8 guitars now, from a hollow body jazz type, to a very simply Fender Telecaster and - anyone of them I can plug into my Line6 Pod and get way, way crunchy - just like a 1000 other bands. And that's my point. Today crunch is easy - lots of people seem to be using it. So except for vocal differences (and I hear huge similarities in current popular vocal styles too) and lyrical differences - they pretty much sound very similar. To me.
And to make matters worse - the suits are of course involved - lately they're marketing quite a bit of crunch - white guy crunch music - which reminds me - hey Laurel you're no white guy! What makes you such a huge exception here? You are in a vast, deep minority. Do you allow yourself to attend, get groped, surf topless - on a sea of 17 to 20 year old white guys. Laurel? How much testosterone can a lovely young woman want? You must be one hell of a woman.
Anyway - I think you all get my point. My great hope is that "true Rock & Roll artists" will once again rise - eventually, hopefully, from the Internet - but it will be a while I think and even then, after a while the suits will take over and market their mush to the masses. McRock.
Long live crunch - down with the suits!!!!
And please, you young'uns out there - do some home work (you don't have to like it but it's good to expand your knowledge base) and dig up and listen to - Rumble by Link Ray - or one of his more recent tunes Switchblade. Check out Dick Dale too. It won't have the beat you will want, the beat you've become accustomed to - but just listen to the crunch.
Crunch rules - one of the keystone factors to what made Rock & Roll.
http://members.tripod.com/~Tony50/lwray.html
http://www.dickdale.com/
http://www.line6.com/main/main.cfm
I hope this won't sound like an old fart - Exp doesn't care - and why should he, really.
But I've worked in the Rock & Roll biz since a teen and I like to think that I attempt to remain in touch, at least to some degree with this stuff. After all I do hang with my 17 year old (who has recently started his own band - with my god damn bass too) - AND - I liken the modern day, current Rock & Roll biz with just about everything else - pro-sports, college sports, Broadway, the movies - all that shit - money and big business has fucked it up.
And these two bands mentioned are caught right in the middle of all this shit. I tend to hate them both from a pure biz standpoint. Then again I hate the suits more. Somewhere along the line - they, Fred Dirst and the rest of them made the decision to "play the game." When they did that - they quit rocking. Endorsements? Holly shit - what's the world coming to when a so-called artist can sing about just about any subject and in socially subversive ways too - and then take dollars from Miller? What the fuck is that?
So to my philosophy plays a big part of who I like and who I don't like. Music aside. Example: I like the Black Crows.
Now - the music. I'm a guitar player and even though I enjoy and actually love all styles and tonalities one can wrench from acoustic and electric guitars - I really love crunch - I fell in love with recordings made in the mid-sixties from Link Wray, back then too - just for the crunch.
Now, both these bands obviously have lots of crunch - but I tell ya what...... getting crunch in the 60's was very hard and getting crunch today is easy. I recently bought what's known in music circles and a Line6 Pod, it's an amp emulator. A computer of sorts that "holds" very, very, very true to the original "amp sounds" of all types. You can edit them and modify them to a great deal. I own about 8 guitars now, from a hollow body jazz type, to a very simply Fender Telecaster and - anyone of them I can plug into my Line6 Pod and get way, way crunchy - just like a 1000 other bands. And that's my point. Today crunch is easy - lots of people seem to be using it. So except for vocal differences (and I hear huge similarities in current popular vocal styles too) and lyrical differences - they pretty much sound very similar. To me.
And to make matters worse - the suits are of course involved - lately they're marketing quite a bit of crunch - white guy crunch music - which reminds me - hey Laurel you're no white guy! What makes you such a huge exception here? You are in a vast, deep minority. Do you allow yourself to attend, get groped, surf topless - on a sea of 17 to 20 year old white guys. Laurel? How much testosterone can a lovely young woman want? You must be one hell of a woman.
Anyway - I think you all get my point. My great hope is that "true Rock & Roll artists" will once again rise - eventually, hopefully, from the Internet - but it will be a while I think and even then, after a while the suits will take over and market their mush to the masses. McRock.
Long live crunch - down with the suits!!!!
And please, you young'uns out there - do some home work (you don't have to like it but it's good to expand your knowledge base) and dig up and listen to - Rumble by Link Ray - or one of his more recent tunes Switchblade. Check out Dick Dale too. It won't have the beat you will want, the beat you've become accustomed to - but just listen to the crunch.
Crunch rules - one of the keystone factors to what made Rock & Roll.
http://members.tripod.com/~Tony50/lwray.html
http://www.dickdale.com/
http://www.line6.com/main/main.cfm
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PS on this.....
Going over the websites of Link and Dick actually brings tears to my eyes - the history, the influence, the infinite creativity - are undeniable. And most importantly the uniqueness of their art to their time.
I seriously doubt Fred Dirst will ever - ever achieve such shear importance to his art. To Rock & Roll.
Maybe, maybe - but he has to work harder than he is now. And more importantly - he has to do something different - different for his time. Like Link and and Dick did. So far Fred is simply running with the pack.
Going over the websites of Link and Dick actually brings tears to my eyes - the history, the influence, the infinite creativity - are undeniable. And most importantly the uniqueness of their art to their time.
I seriously doubt Fred Dirst will ever - ever achieve such shear importance to his art. To Rock & Roll.
Maybe, maybe - but he has to work harder than he is now. And more importantly - he has to do something different - different for his time. Like Link and and Dick did. So far Fred is simply running with the pack.
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To me, the question is which group makes me get out of my chair and run faster to change the station. It's close, but I'd have to say Limp Bizkit.
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Yeah!
What R Nitelight said....
What R Nitelight said....
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I'll probably get flamed for this
Limp Bizket (Korn not so much) has all the relevance, and most of the talent, of a drunken 17 year old screaming on a streetcorner at 2 am.
Gimme' The Tragicly Hip or Matchbox20 or Our Lady Peace. At least they have something to say.
If you like Korn or Bizkit more power to you.
Limp Bizket (Korn not so much) has all the relevance, and most of the talent, of a drunken 17 year old screaming on a streetcorner at 2 am.
Gimme' The Tragicly Hip or Matchbox20 or Our Lady Peace. At least they have something to say.
If you like Korn or Bizkit more power to you.
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I'm feeling a bit feisty today
And I have to tell you that I personally love both bands but I'd fuck Fred Durst before Jon Davis.
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"It's no good when all that's left is the sex, the sex"--Limp Bizkit
And I have to tell you that I personally love both bands but I'd fuck Fred Durst before Jon Davis.
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"It's no good when all that's left is the sex, the sex"--Limp Bizkit
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Yes, I do realize....
That sex and Rock & Roll do go hand in hand.... but....
Liking a band because you want to lay the leader - well - it's so juvenile. At least I think it is.
By the way - "hating" a bands music for similar sexual reasons is too - juvenile. Hating Elvis or the Beatles by pubescent males simply because the young girls were going nuts and they felt some form of jealousy. And not listening to the music - is simply youthful ignorance.
Liking music, critiquing music, should be undertaken via intellect and is best enjoyed by experienced adults.
12 year old girls like the Backstreat Boys - is nearly meaningless - to art.
That sex and Rock & Roll do go hand in hand.... but....
Liking a band because you want to lay the leader - well - it's so juvenile. At least I think it is.
By the way - "hating" a bands music for similar sexual reasons is too - juvenile. Hating Elvis or the Beatles by pubescent males simply because the young girls were going nuts and they felt some form of jealousy. And not listening to the music - is simply youthful ignorance.
Liking music, critiquing music, should be undertaken via intellect and is best enjoyed by experienced adults.
12 year old girls like the Backstreat Boys - is nearly meaningless - to art.
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Ezzie
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Lighten up, Sparky
I was simply joking about the subject based on the fact that music is my life, my career and a big part of me. I've met Fred Durst after a concert, he's a very nice man no matter what image he gives off. Fred Durst and Jon Davis from Korn are very close friends as a matter of fact, they've done a couple of songs together on "Significant Other" by Limp Bizkit and "Follow The Leader" By Korn.
Now, as for the subject of what there music will do years down the line. Well, I personally don't think that either band cares. I've read article after article regarding both of them and I've read that they are doing this for themselves and their fans. They don't care if they become a big part of "Rock and Roll" history. But in my opinion, they already have. Every few years or so, new bands come on and leave their mark. We've had hard rap, grunge rock, white rap and now we have a angry music which is a cross between rap and grunge. That's where bands like Limp Bizkit and Korn fall in. They have millions of fans and I don't see them giving a rats ass about my "Juvenille" behavior in saying I'd fuck one before the other, hell they might be flattered though considering not many bands care about their fans as well as Limp Bizkit and Korn do.
So, next time you wish to call me and my behavior "Juvenille", make sure you know I work for a recording company as a journalist, and I probably know more about the topic of "Today's music" than you do. And no, I did NOT say I did, I said Probably.
[Edited by Ezzie on 10-19-2000 at 08:58 AM]
I was simply joking about the subject based on the fact that music is my life, my career and a big part of me. I've met Fred Durst after a concert, he's a very nice man no matter what image he gives off. Fred Durst and Jon Davis from Korn are very close friends as a matter of fact, they've done a couple of songs together on "Significant Other" by Limp Bizkit and "Follow The Leader" By Korn.
Now, as for the subject of what there music will do years down the line. Well, I personally don't think that either band cares. I've read article after article regarding both of them and I've read that they are doing this for themselves and their fans. They don't care if they become a big part of "Rock and Roll" history. But in my opinion, they already have. Every few years or so, new bands come on and leave their mark. We've had hard rap, grunge rock, white rap and now we have a angry music which is a cross between rap and grunge. That's where bands like Limp Bizkit and Korn fall in. They have millions of fans and I don't see them giving a rats ass about my "Juvenille" behavior in saying I'd fuck one before the other, hell they might be flattered though considering not many bands care about their fans as well as Limp Bizkit and Korn do.
So, next time you wish to call me and my behavior "Juvenille", make sure you know I work for a recording company as a journalist, and I probably know more about the topic of "Today's music" than you do. And no, I did NOT say I did, I said Probably.
[Edited by Ezzie on 10-19-2000 at 08:58 AM]
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And one last thing
I did read that you've been in the music biz since you were younger. But music changes, all the time. What you thought was good 3 years ago might have completely vanished by now. I know not to get too attached to any band, they come and go so quickly.
I did read that you've been in the music biz since you were younger. But music changes, all the time. What you thought was good 3 years ago might have completely vanished by now. I know not to get too attached to any band, they come and go so quickly.
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I don't know, ladies. I think I'd fuck Jon Davis first. But that's just one man's opinion.
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I hate to sound like an old codger, I feel sorry for the young generation, they don't have any cool bands to look up to. I work with teens on a regular basis, and I'm always asking them what kind of music they like. Some will say country, but what they call country nowadays is '60's rock with a twangy singer.
As fars as new rock goes, there's nothing new about it. There's just new technology, rap and thrash metal make the the car stereos go boom the best. There's no love of music here, just love for the sub-woofers. Big difference.
It's encouraging to me when a few of these teenagers tell me they prefer Zepplin, or Hendrix, at least I feel a little better that I'm not laughed at for listening to "oldies."
As fars as new rock goes, there's nothing new about it. There's just new technology, rap and thrash metal make the the car stereos go boom the best. There's no love of music here, just love for the sub-woofers. Big difference.
It's encouraging to me when a few of these teenagers tell me they prefer Zepplin, or Hendrix, at least I feel a little better that I'm not laughed at for listening to "oldies."
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Hey PH, I think a lot of kids today have a wide range of music they listen to, at least the ones that hang out with me. My son liked Korn & LB, I don't really like either band, I am more into classic rock. A lot of his friends listen to the current top bands, but they also like the classics. I am constantly surprised at the CD's they have in their cars. The popularity of 70's stuff on tv & in the movies has gotten a whole new group of kids excited about Hendrix, Zeppelin, The Who, the bands that I grew up with. My son knew all those bands because I listen to them, but as he got older, he enjoyed their music because it was just good music. He also was into the technology part of it & had planned a career as a sound engineer. The summer before he died, he was able to work in a local recording studio with several up & coming bands. In his DJ set-up, he had everything from C/W, pop, all kinds of rock, some rap & hip-hop & of course, the ever popular "Chicken Dance."
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Me lighten up???? Ezzy, Ezzy, Ezzy.
I didn't happen to think my comments on juvenile sexual attractions and critique of Rock & Roll music and the bands that make it, was necessarily directed "right at you" you simply provided the idea from which I based this small tidbit. Sorry about that.
But onward and upward. Or outward.
As for "places in history" - whether they be pertinent to Rock & Roll or anything else. Rarely does the one who sparks historical deeds of note - know it at the time. Most are "simply doing what they do." The notation in history comes later. Most creators of Rock & Roll - no matter what time period they peaked during - simply, as you say Fred is doing - do it for their fans. All that is obvious.
So educate me Ezz - peg these 2 bands historical or if you will - possible historical contribution to R&R. Now, everybody creates history - even you and I. These 2 bands mere existence and financial realities will create some sort of history. As did/does Barry Manilow. So, to me, it's got to "mean" something fairly big before I would consider it worthy of being called historically important. If you might say - as I suspect you will, that these bands contribute the historical foot note of combining White Rap and Hard Edged 90's Rock - I would then ask: Are they as historically pertinent as the Stones (combining R&B, Blues and 60's rock) or Zeppelin (playing, pretty much straight blues yet in their day, playing it with cutting edge equipment (getting those tones) and a higher caliber of musicianship)
And surely - nothing they do is close to some of the great icons of rock - who literally "boom," created something so utterly new - that it seems like any semblance of it - never existed before. Chuck Berry springs to mind. The Beatles. Hendrix.
And what about Miles - yes Jazz but - ah the creativity.
So, let me know. Show me.
I didn't happen to think my comments on juvenile sexual attractions and critique of Rock & Roll music and the bands that make it, was necessarily directed "right at you" you simply provided the idea from which I based this small tidbit. Sorry about that.
But onward and upward. Or outward.
As for "places in history" - whether they be pertinent to Rock & Roll or anything else. Rarely does the one who sparks historical deeds of note - know it at the time. Most are "simply doing what they do." The notation in history comes later. Most creators of Rock & Roll - no matter what time period they peaked during - simply, as you say Fred is doing - do it for their fans. All that is obvious.
So educate me Ezz - peg these 2 bands historical or if you will - possible historical contribution to R&R. Now, everybody creates history - even you and I. These 2 bands mere existence and financial realities will create some sort of history. As did/does Barry Manilow. So, to me, it's got to "mean" something fairly big before I would consider it worthy of being called historically important. If you might say - as I suspect you will, that these bands contribute the historical foot note of combining White Rap and Hard Edged 90's Rock - I would then ask: Are they as historically pertinent as the Stones (combining R&B, Blues and 60's rock) or Zeppelin (playing, pretty much straight blues yet in their day, playing it with cutting edge equipment (getting those tones) and a higher caliber of musicianship)
And surely - nothing they do is close to some of the great icons of rock - who literally "boom," created something so utterly new - that it seems like any semblance of it - never existed before. Chuck Berry springs to mind. The Beatles. Hendrix.
And what about Miles - yes Jazz but - ah the creativity.
So, let me know. Show me.
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Hey PH, I'm almost there with you...
Ya know every generation "needs" something unique to set them apart - whether we "get it or not."
They need - "Who Let The Dog Out!!!!"
But yes I love turning on the young ones - usually the ones really interested in playing and or learning about music - to the old stuff.
I recently got Black Sabbath's remaster best-of box set. Played it for my son's band mates and asked them to guess who it was. (Yeah sure, they all know about Ozzie but not really all that much.) They were blown away but I kept'em guessing. I told'em the singer was about 18 or 19 at the time of the recording and the the recording was about 30 years old. I told'em the guitar player had most of his two smallest fingers missing. They were freakin'.
They loved it. Zepp too. Then I got'em some Jimi videos and wow. They watch'em over and over again. Then they started renting old stuff - and saw Jimmy page play guitar with a bow - now they had to have a bow.
I love it I tell ya.
Ya know every generation "needs" something unique to set them apart - whether we "get it or not."
They need - "Who Let The Dog Out!!!!"
But yes I love turning on the young ones - usually the ones really interested in playing and or learning about music - to the old stuff.
I recently got Black Sabbath's remaster best-of box set. Played it for my son's band mates and asked them to guess who it was. (Yeah sure, they all know about Ozzie but not really all that much.) They were blown away but I kept'em guessing. I told'em the singer was about 18 or 19 at the time of the recording and the the recording was about 30 years old. I told'em the guitar player had most of his two smallest fingers missing. They were freakin'.
They loved it. Zepp too. Then I got'em some Jimi videos and wow. They watch'em over and over again. Then they started renting old stuff - and saw Jimmy page play guitar with a bow - now they had to have a bow.
I love it I tell ya.
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I'm starting to like you, Sparky
And that's a compliment coming from me, I don't like anyone. LOL
Ok, historical value: I can't speak for Korn because I don't know much about them. I know they've made some interesting (To say the least) songs and have had 3 albums if memory serves.
Now, I'm very passionate about Limp Bizkit, and no, I'm not going to say I wanna fuck Fred Durst again, that's beside the point right now. Limp Bizkit, the band as a whole, have done several things to make their imprint in the music history books. They've stood up for what they believe in when it comes to issues like Napster and giving back to the fans. Fred Durst has been put through the ringer for defending Napster but he has never changed his view. As a matter of fact, they went on a free tour to promote Napster and give back to the fans at the same time. I know that really has nothing to do with their "Music" but I'm getting to that.
In my not so expert opinion, neither band has been around long enough to know if they will have some effect on the music industry. But if you wanna go by numbers, they definetly have had a major effect.
"Clearly, Limp Bizkit's success squashes the recurring notion that rock is dead. Indeed, last week, Bizkit, along with Kid Rock and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, all sold more than 100,000 copies, while Smash Mouth and Blink 182 both posted healthy Top 20 numbers."--Rolling Stone, June 1999
And their newest album, just released Tuesday outdid their other albums, had fans lining up outside stores and some fans crying when stores ran out of copies of it. It blew away old records held by groups/artists like The Backstreet Boys and Britany Spears. Who knows, maybe in 20 years, bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Eminem, and Kid Rock will be immortilized just like Hendrix, Zepplin, Elvis and Janis Joplin. Only time can make history and history repeats itself even if it takes a different form.
And that's a compliment coming from me, I don't like anyone. LOL
Ok, historical value: I can't speak for Korn because I don't know much about them. I know they've made some interesting (To say the least) songs and have had 3 albums if memory serves.
Now, I'm very passionate about Limp Bizkit, and no, I'm not going to say I wanna fuck Fred Durst again, that's beside the point right now. Limp Bizkit, the band as a whole, have done several things to make their imprint in the music history books. They've stood up for what they believe in when it comes to issues like Napster and giving back to the fans. Fred Durst has been put through the ringer for defending Napster but he has never changed his view. As a matter of fact, they went on a free tour to promote Napster and give back to the fans at the same time. I know that really has nothing to do with their "Music" but I'm getting to that.
In my not so expert opinion, neither band has been around long enough to know if they will have some effect on the music industry. But if you wanna go by numbers, they definetly have had a major effect.
"Clearly, Limp Bizkit's success squashes the recurring notion that rock is dead. Indeed, last week, Bizkit, along with Kid Rock and the Red Hot Chili Peppers, all sold more than 100,000 copies, while Smash Mouth and Blink 182 both posted healthy Top 20 numbers."--Rolling Stone, June 1999
And their newest album, just released Tuesday outdid their other albums, had fans lining up outside stores and some fans crying when stores ran out of copies of it. It blew away old records held by groups/artists like The Backstreet Boys and Britany Spears. Who knows, maybe in 20 years, bands like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Eminem, and Kid Rock will be immortilized just like Hendrix, Zepplin, Elvis and Janis Joplin. Only time can make history and history repeats itself even if it takes a different form.
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R Nitelight said:
Yeah! That Davis looks like a cuddler! I like that... Heheh! Now Fred... I think I would come away with a rather sore ass... Ugh!
But back to the subject at hand... I personally would take a listen to Rob Zombie over these two any day of the week! Even then I would rather be listening to Fleetwood Mac or Jethro Tull...
