Life On Mars?

R. Richard

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I ripped this off the news wires. Interesting!

Exclusive: NASA Researchers Claim Evidence of Present Life on Mars

Wed Feb 16, 3:26 PM ET Science - Space.com

WASHINGTON -- A pair of NASA scientists told a group of space officials at a private meeting here Sunday that they have found strong evidence that life may exist today on Mars, hidden away in caves and sustained by pockets of water.

The scientists, Carol Stoker and Larry Lemke of NASA's Ames Research Center in Silicon Valley, told the group that they have submitted their findings to the journal Nature for publication in May, and their paper currently is being peer reviewed.

What Stoker and Lemke have found, according to several attendees of the private meeting, is not direct proof of life on Mars, but methane signatures and other signs of possible biological activity remarkably similar to those recently discovered in caves here on Earth.

Stoker and other researchers have long theorized that the Martian subsurface could harbor biological organisms that have developed unusual strategies for existing in extreme environments. That suspicion led Stoker and a team of U.S. and Spanish researchers in 2003 to southwestern Spain to search for subsurface life near the Rio Tinto river—so-called because of its reddish tint—the product of iron being dissolved in its highly acidic water.

Stoker did not respond to messages left Tuesday on her voice mail at Ames.

Stoker told SPACE.com in 2003, weeks before leading the expedition to southwestern Spain, that by studying the very acidic Rio Tinto, she and other scientists hoped to characterize the potential for a chemical bioreactor in the subsurface - an underground microbial ecosystem of sorts that might well control the chemistry of the surface environment.

Making such a discovery at Rio Tinto, Stoker said in 2003, would mean uncovering a new, previously uncharacterized metabolic strategy for living in the subsurface. For that reason, the search for life in the Rio Tinto is a good analog for searching for life on Mars, she said.

Stoker told her private audience Sunday evening that by comparing discoveries made at Rio Tinto with data collected by ground-based telescopes and orbiting spacecraft, including the European Space Agency's Mars Express, she and Lemke have made a very a strong case that life exists below Mars' surface.

The two scientists, according to sources at the Sunday meeting, based their case in part on Mars' fluctuating methane signatures that could be a sign of an active underground biosphere and nearby surface concentrations of the sulfate jarosite, a mineral salt found on Earth in hot springs and other acidic bodies of water like Rio Tinto that have been found to harbor life despite their inhospitable environments.

One of NASA's Mars Exploration Rovers, Opportunity, bolstered the case for water on Mars when it discovered jarosite and other mineral salts on a rocky outcropping in Merdiani Planum, the intrepid rover's landing site chosen because scientists believe the area was once covered by salty sea.

Stoker and Lemke's research could lead the search for Martian biology underground, where standing water would help account the curious methane signatures the two have been analyzing.

They are desperate to find out what could be producing the methane, one attendee told Space News. Their answer is drill, drill, drill.

NASA has no firm plans for sending a drill-equipped lander to Mars, but the agency is planning to launch a powerful new rover in 2009 that could help shed additional light on Stoker and Lemke's intriguing findings. Dubbed the Mars Science Laboratory, the nuclear-powered rover will range farther than any of its predecessors and will be carrying an advanced mass spectrometer to sniff out methane with greater sensitivity than any instrument flown to date.

In 1996 a team of NASA and Stanford University researchers created a stir when they published findings that meteorites recovered from the Allen Hills region of Antarctica contained evidence of possible past life on Mars. Those findings remain controversial, with many researchers unconvinced that those meteorites held even possible evidence that very primitive microbial life had once existed on Mars.
 
A blind bloke walks into a shop with a guide dog. He picks the Dog up and starts swinging it around his head. Alarmed, a shop assistant calls out: 'Can I help, sir?' 'No thanks,' says the blind bloke. 'Just looking.'
 
Given the immense numbers of planets, stars and galaxies out there I think it's quite arrogant for us to think that we're the only planet that has life.

What would make us that special in the grand scheme of things?
 
Wildcard Ky said:
Given the immense numbers of planets, stars and galaxies out there I think it's quite arrogant for us to think that we're the only planet that has life.

What would make us that special in the grand scheme of things?

Our ability and willingness to harm each other?
 
Remember, If they attack Earth, they can be repulsed by loudly playing "Indian Love Call" by Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
Remember, If they attack Earth, they can be repulsed by loudly playing "Indian Love Call" by Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald.
Then again, sounds of the Iron Butterfly and the Singing Capon have repulsed almost everybody. :rolleyes:
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
Then again, sounds of the Iron Butterfly and the Singing Capon have repulsed almost everybody. :rolleyes:

Not as much as they do the Martians, though. The duet actually cause Martian heads to explode.
 
Read the article. A new one is out that posits blocks of water ice just below the surface. Thanks Richard :)
 
Boxlicker101 said:
Not as much as they do the Martians, though. The duet actually cause Martian heads to explode.

Damn, that was a cool movie. Tim Burton rocks!
 
A very long time ago, Mad magazine published a bit lampooning the comic strip Prince Valiant. The Mad magazine character would pull out Prince Valiant's "singing sword." The singing sword was not a sword, but an old style beer opener. However, the pulling of the singing sword would cause the playing of a tune. The tune was "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window." Everyone in the area would cover their ears and run screaming from the singing sword.
 
They are desperate to find out what could be producing the methane, one attendee told Space News. Their answer is drill, drill, drill.

NASA has no firm plans for sending a drill-equipped lander to Mars, but the agency is planning to launch a powerful new rover in 2009 that could help shed additional light on Stoker and Lemke's intriguing findings. Dubbed the Mars Science Laboratory, the nuclear-powered rover will range farther than any of its predecessors and will be carrying an advanced mass spectrometer to sniff out methane with greater sensitivity than any instrument flown to date.


How exciting! My guess is that we will be sending a drill up there sooner rather than later. It's too intriguing a theory not to explore.

Hopefully, we won't end up releasing some kind of methane volcano whose eruption alters the universe. ;)
 
rgraham666 said:
Damn, that was a cool movie. Tim Burton rocks!

I thought it was a fun movie too. It also had a political message, that pacifism sucks in the face of a ruthless enemy. I am inclined to agree with the idea.
 
LadyJeanne said:
How exciting! My guess is that we will be sending a drill up there sooner rather than later. It's too intriguing a theory not to explore.

Hopefully, we won't end up releasing some kind of methane volcano whose eruption alters the universe. ;)

Great, just what we need. A cosmic fart to really screw things up.

Cat
 
R. Richard said:
A very long time ago, Mad magazine published a bit lampooning the comic strip Prince Valiant. The Mad magazine character would pull out Prince Valiant's "singing sword." The singing sword was not a sword, but an old style beer opener. However, the pulling of the singing sword would cause the playing of a tune. The tune was "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window." Everyone in the area would cover their ears and run screaming from the singing sword.

I have a copy of that Mad comic. It's VERY old. You must be, what, eighty-five?
 
Sub Joe said:
I have a copy of that Mad comic. It's VERY old. You must be, what, eighty-five?

Actually, I am over 2000 years old; at least in the morning when I have to get up.
 
The next step for Carol Stoke and Larry Lemke, in light of their fantastic martian discovery, is to rename that planet Barsoom!

Then, if their earth mole has a fortuitous accident while exploring subterranean Rio Tinto, they will have nothing left to discover except the giant trees of Venus, and the hidden plateau in Africa where talking apes reside.



:rolleyes:
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
The next step for Carol Stoke and Larry Lemke, in light of their fantastic martian discovery, is to rename that planet Barsoom!

Then, if their earth mole has a fortuitous accident while exploring subterranean Rio Tinto, they will have nothing left to discover except the giant trees of Venus, and the hidden plateau in Africa where talking apes reside.

If the earth mole gets out of control, they could end up in Pellucidar too.
 
The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding,
In all of the directions it can wizz,
As fast as it can go - the speed of light, you know -
12 million miles a minute and that's the fastest speed there is
So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How incredibly unlikely was your birth,
And you'd better hope there's intelligent life somewhere up there
'Cause there's bugger all here on earth.
 
Sub Joe said:
I have a copy of that Mad comic. It's VERY old. You must be, what, eighty-five?

Patti Page recorded "Doggie in the Window" in 1953. I remember hearing it frequently, like syrup in my ears and got tired of it fairly quickly. That would make the comic about 51 years old. That's old, and probably fairly valuable, but there are many collectors' items that are much older. I am not 85, by the way.

As I recall, the name of that particular story was "Prince Violent".
 
Boxlicker101 said:
Patti Page recorded "Doggie in the Window" in 1953. I remember hearing it frequently, like syrup in my ears and got tired of it fairly quickly. That would make the comic about 51 years old. That's old, and probably fairly valuable, but there are many collectors' items that are much older. I am not 85, by the way.

As I recall, the name of that particular story was "Prince Violent".

And the girl he loved, Alota, with the Golden Hair she also had Alota.


I thought your were talking about Betty Paige. I've got a magazines with her in it too, but the Betty Paige paiges are stuck together.
 
Box, why is your banana lying down? Where is he? I need to know by 5:00 PST.

regards, Perdita
 
Boxlicker101 said:
Patti Page recorded "Doggie in the Window" in 1953. I remember hearing it frequently, like syrup in my ears and got tired of it fairly quickly. That would make the comic about 51 years old. That's old, and probably fairly valuable, but there are many collectors' items that are much older. I am not 85, by the way.

As I recall, the name of that particular story was "Prince Violent".

Actually, for you collectors out there, the issue of Mad Magazine is #13 published July of 1955. The particular story was "Prince Violent!"
 
Perdita:
Your new hairstyle is simply mahhhvelous! It has taken years off your appearance.
 
Boxlicker101 said:
Patti Page recorded "Doggie in the Window" in 1953....
Was she the one who was billed "The singing rage . . ." or was that title reserved for whoever sang "She wore an ittsy-bitsy teenie-weenie yellow polka-dot bikini?"

There is no reason why I should tell you that I am aware of that song because of the James Cagney film, "One, Two, Three!"

But, I like doing things for which there is no reason. ;)
 
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