Liberals or Control Freaks?

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David C. Stolinsky
Tuesday, Sept. 3, 2002

Are you a "control freak"? Do your family and friends complain that you always need to be in control? This is a common psychological problem with which many of us have to deal. It causes difficulties in personal life.

But consider what political and social positions a "control freak" might take.

Obviously, extremes of both Left and Right yearn to be in control. Indeed, they try to control virtually every aspect of life. The underlying motivation of totalitarianism may be an insatiable urge to be in control.

But what about the less extreme? What about ordinary people with impractical ideas? Might an urge to be in control – or at least to seem in control – play an important role in their thinking?

To take a common example, what do we do when we hear that someone has been murdered, robbed or raped? Often the first question we ask is "Where did it happen?" Certainly we want to know if a criminal is loose near us. But beyond that, we want to avoid feeling afraid.

We want to tell ourselves, "I don't go to 'bad' parts of town late at night. I don't hang out in bars or seedy motels. I don't carry large amounts of cash. I don't drive a flashy car. I don't dress like a slut. That couldn't happen to me. I'm safe."

Avoiding unsafe behavior is wise. To the extent that we learn from others' mistakes, we are being intelligent. But if we convince ourselves that we are perfectly safe if we avoid certain behaviors, we are being stupid.

We are blaming the victim in order to give ourselves a false sense of security.

We are, in effect, denying the existence of the most dangerous thing in the world – human evil. Not second-hand smoke, pesticides, industrial pollution, SUVs or global warming. Not poverty, racism or guns. Human evil.

It's frightening to realize that there are people who want to do evil things. It's frightening to think that there are people who rob the poor, carjack ordinary cars, rape elderly women, harm children, or murder people with whom they have no quarrel. Just because they want to. Because they enjoy it. Because they have no moral restraints.

Looking evil in the face is difficult. No one wants to be frightened and disgusted by looking at something horribly ugly. But we must. Otherwise, we deceive ourselves into believing that we can control everything by avoiding risky behavior and thinking good thoughts.

We fool ourselves into thinking that if we avoid fat, eat "organic" food, don't smoke, and jog three miles a day, we will live forever. And if we don't expose children to second-hand smoke or peanuts, and if we remove swings and monkey bars from playgrounds, our kids will always be healthy and safe.

We delude ourselves that we will all be safe and happy if only we ban guns, reduce pesticide use, build no new power plants or dams, ban SUVs, fund more programs for the poor, treat women like men, and force airport screeners to search elderly ladies from Omaha instead of young men from the Middle East.

Not one of these actions affects the main cause of human suffering in any way. Not one affects human evil.

The key delusion underlying all these unsuccessful attempts to explain anti-social behavior is that something we did caused the trouble. So if only we stop doing it, all will be well. That is, we are in control.

But even though we live in the richest, most powerful nation on earth, there are limits to what we can do. We can barely control ourselves, much less the whole world. To a considerable degree, we are not in control.

To religious people, this is neither surprising nor frightening. They know that God is in control, so they don't have to be. They know that if they do their best, He will do the rest. They don't think that they are the center of the universe. They value life and health, of course, but they value other things, too – goodness, for example.
But secular people have no such assurance. They strive to make this world perfectly safe and risk-free, because they don't believe in the next world. Life and health are their supreme goals.

They can't blame evil for human suffering – they don't believe in evil. When President Bush called terrorist states an "axis of evil," they objected not because they don't believe these states are evil, but because they don't believe anything is evil.

The closest they come to calling some action evil is to say "That's sick." People who do evil may also be sick. The sickness may be treated by psychiatry, though to date little success has been achieved in treating anti-social personality disorder and almost no success in treating pedophilia. Surely research should continue. But I must admit that I don't look forward to effective behavior control – it's sure to be misused.

We can use what help science gives. But science is the search for knowledge of the physical universe. It has nothing to say about the moral universe. It can describe precisely the trajectory of a bullet, but it can't tell us whether murder is wrong. If we want answers to the ultimate questions, we must look elsewhere. And that's a big "if."

It may be painful or even frightening, but we must see reality for what it is. Most criminals hurt people because they enjoy hurting people. Not because of guns, poverty, racism, social injustice, or anything else we can control. Criminals hurt people because they lack good values and have bad values. It's that simple, and that complex.

Liberals often feel the need to be in control, but the irony is that they reject the one course that might actually give them some control. They oppose all efforts to restore ethical values to our schools. They object whether these values are taught on a religious or a secular basis.

They oppose behavior codes, dress codes, abstinence education, and even posting the Ten Commandments. Then they are shocked – shocked! – when value-free education produces value-free graduates.

And, of course, value-free people do things that make liberals feel even more frightened and out of control. And so it goes.

Non-religious people often ignore the effects of religion, both good and bad. They tend to see everything in economic terms. Marx's "Communist Manifesto" was published in 1848, and almost everything he predicted proved false. Yet liberals and leftists (if there's a difference any more) still share his viewpoint.

Many liberals see 9-11 in economic terms. They assume that people hate us not because of religious fanaticism and a desire to murder "infidels." They narcissistically assume that everyone is like them – interested only in material things.

So they assume 9-11 must have been about oil. They think we attacked Afghanistan not to remove a brutal regime that nurtured the terrorists who attacked us, but merely to build a pipeline. How materialistic. How egocentric. How false.

People crash airliners into office towers not because of what we did wrong, but because of who we are. We are free; they are totalitarians. We respect women's rights; they see women as property, even in the next world. (Remember the 72 virgins?) We are democratic; they have contempt for ordinary people. We advocate religious pluralism; they spit on it.

All these issues dwarf economics, but not in the liberal mind. All these issues reflect fundamental differences on the question of good and evil. This time, it's not the economy, stupid.

In a final spasm of attempted control, some people go so far as to swallow and regurgitate the lies of our enemies. They whisper that al-Qaeda may – may – have carried out the attack on 9-11, but it was really the "hidden hand" of the CIA pulling the strings – for oil, of course.

That is, we attacked ourselves. The illusion of control is preserved, even in the face of devastating evidence to the contrary.

In order to act effectively, we need to see things clearly, and not with our vision clouded by obsolete and discredited theories that try to explain everything on the basis of economics. These theories give only the illusion of control.

If you doubt this, look at the Soviet Union. It imploded despite attempts to control everything. Or rather, it imploded because of attempts to control everything.

After the film "Titanic" caused a sensation, and "Titanic" books and memorabilia were on sale everywhere, I saw a man with a T-shirt that made me laugh out loud. The legend on the shirt said "The ship sank. Get over it."

The Marxist-leftist-liberal ship sank some time ago. Get over it.

You can learn a lot from movies. As the police chief in the film "Fargo" said to the murderer, "There's more to life than money, you know."

I enjoyed that film, partly because I was born in Fargo. And the message is a valuable one. There's more to life than economics. For starters, there's good and evil.

Dr. Stolinsky is retired after 25 years of teaching in medical school. He writes from Los Angeles on political and social issues. He may be contacted at dcstolinsky@prodigy.net.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/9/2/172116.shtml
 
Fascinating article!

The author has presented some interesting thoughts and observations.

I take minor exception to one association he makes based on personal knowledge, observation and opinion, though.

He notes that the secular community lack the assurance of control and thus are possessed of the motivation to make the world risk free.

Being an atheist, how much more secular does one get? Yet I fully understand that life is fraught with risk. In fact, I ridicule and disdain the idea that laws or other practices can eradicate risk from human life. I grant that possessing a certain awareness and attention to one's surroundings can lessen or minimize those risks but they can never be eliminated. That is just reality.

One must be aware and congizant of that fact and the mind is man's means to deal with these varied and ever-present risks.

Those to whom Dr. Stolinsky refers as secular are those whom I see as holding a fervent religious-like belief in a value-free, standard-free set of ambiguous and arbitrary tenets by which they think everyone should live. To my perception, this is manifestation of a moderate to severe deprivation of coherent contact with reality which makes me question their competence to run their own lives, much less the lives of others. Yet they hold to the irrational premise that they are the ones somehow gifted with some greater wisdom which makes them the chosen ones to whom we lesser should be looking for the way in which to live our lives.

And the political agendas and programs the institute or seek to institute seem to support my hypothesis.
 
I've always felt Man is in control, that we each have to hold ourselves to something nobler lest we be just animals. Now God used to be that standard, and I understand why. What I do not understand is the way we discarded personal responsibility when we discarded God. That only leaves the State (and Stalin grinning at us from the tomb).
 
Great post Bro. The author 'gets it'.

UB, I didn't read into the secular as much as you did. Although the author made reference to religion, I believe that the main point was values.

The values of "Thou shalt not murder.", "Thou shalt not lie.", etc. are more than religious utterings. They are pretty sound rules for an orderly society. You and I can argue whether they have the force of God behind them, but I think that we would agree that in and of themselves they aren't bad rules to live by.

The other point that I see the author dwelling on is the empty quest for security. And that this security is somehow based on control of the actions of others through the blunt instrument of goverment.

The only control that anyone ever really has is over their own life. And that control is tenious at best. You hope for the best and prepare for the worst. There is this myth that if we stay out of the 'bad' parts of town that we'll be 'safe'. From what? Look at your local police log. Most burglaries take place in the better parts of town. Why? Well, as the man said, "That's where the money is."

The impetous of society today is to have things "done for you", as opposed to doing things yourself. As we migrate further and further from English Common Law to Roman Law, this will only get worse. We will become the secular equivalents of the Islamic Fundamentalist's whereby all law and punishment is codified and there will be no ability on the part of the jurists to apply justice to the case's. Justice will have been pre-defined regardless of the circumstances.

Ishmael
 
They can't blame evil for human suffering – they don't believe in evil. When President Bush called terrorist states an "axis of evil," they objected not because they don't believe these states are evil, but because they don't believe anything is evil.
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At first I'll disagree with this, even South Korea was pissed because the statement is undermining the negotiation and effort the North Koreans have been putting forth for several years. Everyone knows what the Axis of Evil speech was about, he wanted to make an official verbal threat to Iraq without declaring war, so he added the other two.
 
Non-religious people often ignore the effects of religion, both good and bad. They tend to see everything in economic terms. Marx's "Communist Manifesto" was published in 1848, and almost everything he predicted proved false. Yet liberals and leftists (if there's a difference any more) still share his viewpoint.
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Again, is every word, sentence and paragraph in Marx's Manifesto wrong? Is it so bad to see that management needs labor just as much as labor needs management. His viewpoint was a book full of ideas, Redwave is the one in 100,000 leftists that fully subscribe.
 
We fool ourselves into thinking that if we avoid fat, eat "organic" food, don't smoke, and jog three miles a day, we will live forever. And if we don't expose children to second-hand smoke or peanuts, and if we remove swings and monkey bars from playgrounds, our kids will always be healthy and safe.
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What a profound statement this is, many liberals are interested in preserving our environment. It shouldn't be surprising that many liberals are interested in preserving our life through healthy living-exercise, no smoking, and vegetables without chemicals-sounds smart to me. Somehow playgrounds got included, I bet there are more rock climbers, snowboarders, mountain bikers, surfers, etc participants of marginally dangerous sports that lean to the left. We are all scared of the monkey bars though.
 
70/30 said:
They can't blame evil for human suffering – they don't believe in evil. When President Bush called terrorist states an "axis of evil," they objected not because they don't believe these states are evil, but because they don't believe anything is evil.
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At first I'll disagree with this, even South Korea was pissed because the statement is undermining the negotiation and effort the North Koreans have been putting forth for several years. Everyone knows what the Axis of Evil speech was about, he wanted to make an official verbal threat to Iraq without declaring war, so he added the other two.

Yep, and so were some other folks that can only look at the world through the veil of politics.

That's to bad. Because they are evil. They have with malice aforethought murdered and starved their own citizens for no other reason than to further their own political goals. Idiology is more important in their world than human life.

Now, calling a spade a spade may be offensive to some. But it doesn't alter the fact that it's still a spade.

Evil requires no understanding. None at all. It just must be dealt with and the sooner the better. If a man is intent on killing me, my family, or that of my neighbor it is not necessary that I 'understand' his motives. It is only necessary that I kill him before he can accomplish his goals. If he can be captured and brought to justice, fine. But that is secondary to the main objective and that is to preserve my life, or my families life, or my neighbors life. And those preservations are the distictions of a free society versus a totalitarian state.

Of the three states mentioned in the "Axis of Evil" speech it is interestning to note that Iran actually took it as a wake up call. While the fundamentalists still control the Army and a good portion of the budget, it appears that 'Joe' citizen is weary of the fundamentalist regime and the winds of change may be blowing in that particular country once again.

Ishmael
 
Most Libs hate Iranians and Iraqis call them what you want. However, including North Korea so the muslims don't think it is about religion offended quite a few. DPRK is trying to come to agreements with South Korea (who the USA is its chief ally) it does not help the situation to threaten them. There are greater threats to global stability but it was more convenient to add North Korea.
 
Originally posted by Ishmael
Great post Bro. The author 'gets it'.

UB, I didn't read into the secular as much as you did. Although the author made reference to religion, I believe that the main point was values.

The values of "Thou shalt not murder.", "Thou shalt not lie.", etc. are more than religious utterings. They are pretty sound rules for an orderly society. You and I can argue whether they have the force of God behind them, but I think that we would agree that in and of themselves they aren't bad rules to live by.

The other point that I see the author dwelling on is the empty quest for security. And that this security is somehow based on control of the actions of others through the blunt instrument of goverment. . .
Ishmael
My interpretation was based on his juxtaposition of religion and secular as the alternatives and seemingly implied the exclusive alternatives.

But from my perception, most of the Liberals/collectivists adopt, adapt, advocate and embrace their beliefs with at least the fervor of the born-again Christian or born-again smoker. They seem totally immune to reason or rational discussion of what they advocate. They are incensed when their beliefs are identified in stark, honest terms.

I fully agree with you that values, especially rational values, are critical to one's sense of efficacy and having some control over his fate.

I also figure you've had enough exposure to my ideas that I'd hardly be one to pretend that religion has a monopoly on values or prinicples since I consider religion a variant of collectivism. It is a more benign form only because membership is not (and as yet cannot be) compulsory.

I find a bit humorous that you introduce the idea of these ideas forwarded by religion as having the force of God behind them. As an atheist, I'd think it obvious that I consider God a creation of the mind of man. Thus, even in my rational context, these values still have the force of God behind them born of the fact that God is a product of the human mind as are these values, i. e., that which created God also created these values. :cool: How much more could one attribute as having the force of God behind it than having it put forward by the creator of God?
 
70/30 said:
Most Libs hate Iranians and Iraqis call them what you want. However, including North Korea so the muslims don't think it is about religion offended quite a few. DPRK is trying to come to agreements with South Korea (who the USA is its chief ally) it does not help the situation to threaten them. There are greater threats to global stability but it was more convenient to add North Korea.

Still the political spin huh? :) It doesn't matter that the DPRK really does belong on that list, does it?

I happen to agree that diplomatic solutions are preferable to the alternative. But it never hurts to let a child molester or a murderer to know exactly what you think of them.

And whether you believe it or not, it did serve a diplomatic purpose. Since 1952 the DPRK has at every turn refused to negotiate with the ROK. They have at every turn attempted to negotiate with the United States. Why? Well in their eyes the ROK is not a legitimate government and is merely a puppet state of the US. They have insisted that they are the only legitimate government for the entire Korean penninsula. Hence, only they can be at the negotiating table and that it's between "us and them".

Bush's pronounment clearly established a 'firewall' between the US and the DPRK. The ROK's statements regarding the "Axis of Evil" speech more clearly established them as what they are. A soveriegn nation who happens to have US troops on their soil due to the military threat that the DPRK represents and has represented for 50 years now.

Ishmael
 
Unclebill said:
How much more could one attribute as having the force of God behind it than having it put forward by the creator of God?

Without hijacking the thread, can we agree that your views on this matter are your own and not necessarily subscribed to by those that do happen to believe in a "higher power"?

As for myself, I have found that almost all the great religions. Even the non-religions, have paid homage to an ethos that appears to have a common thread throughout human history. And it is this thread of ethical behavior, or values if you will, that I am specifically addressing.

This is contrasted to the acceptance on faith (yes, it is on faith) that there are only shades of grey.

If one subscribes to a monochromatic value system then all acts, no matter how heinous, are as reasonable as any act of charity or sacrifice. As a matter of fact, a monochromatic belief system demands that the heinous act be elevated and the sacrificial act be demoted so that the concept of moral equivalency is maintained. There are no heroes, there are no villians. The acts of last 9-11 were justified and Mother Theresa was just a stupid old lady.

Ishmael
 
He's right about the first part of what he says, but not the second. Yes, life is more dangerous and unpredictable than people want to give it credit for, but

"Human evil" is not the most dangerous force in the world; stupid people are.
 
Sandia said:
He's right about the first part of what he says, but not the second. Yes, life is more dangerous and unpredictable than people want to give it credit for, but

"Human evil" is not the most dangerous force in the world; stupid people are.

I have to agree, but stupidity is not a malicious act. The difference between accidents and premeditated acts.

Ishmael
 
I find most of this article to seem to have very little actual logic behind it myself. I see a lot of whipping up of the mob over some Frankenstein bogeyman.
 
Ishmael said:


Yep, and so were some other folks that can only look at the world through the veil of politics.


LMAO!! Haha

Pot .. meet kettle ...
 
Originally posted by Ishmael
Without hijacking the thread, can we agree that your views on this matter are your own and not necessarily subscribed to by those that do happen to believe in a "higher power"?
I concur.

Originally posted by Ishmael
. . . As a matter of fact, a monochromatic belief system demands that the heinous act be elevated and the sacrificial act be demoted so that the concept of moral equivalency is maintained. There are no heroes, there are no villians. The acts of last 9-11 were justified and Mother Theresa was just a stupid old lady.

Ishmael
If you review the discussion on the Blame America thread, you already understand that I pretty much equate sacrifice with heinous acts, both being the denigration and destruction of that which constitutes values.
Originally posted by Sillyman
I find most of this article to seem to have very little actual logic behind it myself. I see a lot of whipping up of the mob over some Frankenstein bogeyman.
You consistency is admirable.
 
Unclebill said:


If you review the discussion on the Blame America thread, you already understand that I pretty much equate sacrifice with heinous acts, both being the denigration and destruction of that which constitutes values.

On this we somewhat disagree. The difference is an act of free will vs coercion. If I choose to make a sacrifice, that is an excersize of freedom. Being forced to make a sacrifice is extortion.

Ishmael
 
Uhm .. so your point was that you view everything through the veil of politics?
 
It might actually be an interesting article if he could keep politics out of it. But then he would never get published on such a site, would he?

He dwells on ways he can use Liberals as examples of control freaks. What about the control Conservatives want over what a woman does with her body? And can't that also be a way the Religious want to control? What about Libertarians? Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure somebody would) but isn't their desire for control over their private domain within this society extreme in comparison with the rest of us?

This is all stereotyping and I find Dr. Stolinsky to be abusing it.

I am certain I am Liberal but I do not fit into his neat little boxes. And I certainly have some control freak nature in me although I'm happy to say I'm giving up on some of the things I can't control right now. I do however believe I am safer, healthier and happier for eating what I consider good and living a relatively clean lifestyle. I don't think that's extreme control of my environment.

I don't oppose war because I can't face evil. I've seen evil; I know it exists (even though I don't have religion in my life). I oppose war because I do not feel the loss of innocent lives or their homes can be avoided and I do not find that personally acceptable on a philosophical level.

I have no doubt that 9/11 and the War on Terrorism are about more than money but I also think it's foolish to think economics doesn't play a role.

I do actually agree with one of his points: evil = sick

I also believe in euthanasia.

On a practical level I don't think it should be the role of the U.S. to act independantly in global matters. That would be too controlling of us.

Edited to use the correct title for the doc.
 
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weed said:
It might actually be an interesting article if he could keep politics out of it. But then he would never get published on such a site, would he?

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On a practical level I don't think it should be the role of the U.S. to act independantly in global matters. That would be too controlling of us.

First of all weed, he did address the extreme right and did not elevate them at all. Speaking for my self, I see no great distiction between the Christian Fundamentalist that bombs an abortion clinic and the Muslim Fundamentalist that flies an airplane into a building. Both are heinous acts rooted in a value, as misbegotten as that value may be. What he is specifically addressing are those that blame the victim for the act of the criminal and those that on the left side of the fence are as desperate to control the lives of others as they can be. The difference here is the lack of values.

The US does not require the permission of the rest of the world to take any action that we see fit. It would be nice, but is not required. The basic problem is that the rest of the world is incapable of defending itself against the likes of Saddam Hussein and this lack of capability reflects itself in the fear that is expressed. The US respects your choice to be a weak nation. We expect the same respect for choosing not to be.

The world of nations seems to have broken down into four "general" categories. There are those nations that have forgone military spending to inact socialist programs in their countries. The programs leave them incapable of any notable, prolonged, or intense military conflict. There are those nations that are bankrupting, or have already bankrupted, their economy to try to be great military powers. The former Soviet Union, China, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Argentina to name a few. And then there are those whose leaders are stealing as much from the economy as they can, as fast as they can.

That leave the United States on it's own. We have the worlds strongest economy, even with the hiccups that we're going thruough today. And the worlds strongest military. And that was done without bankrupting the country. How was that done weed?

The poverty stricken in this country may number in the thousands, and I'm not talking about the perpetually homeless, I'm talking about families that are trying to better themselves. I've been to Sinjiin(sp) China weed, and guess what? Those thousands of poverty stricken in this country have a quality of life better than 100's of millions of Chinese in that 'workers paradise'.

Fear not. It will all work out.

Ishmael
 
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