Less than Consensual

[voltigeur]

One of the greatest things that I have done is have sex with someone that was not totally consenting. I don’t mean rape at all or nothing close to it.

For Example: I had a girlfriend while I was in college. She definitely had a kinky side. One night she asked me what kind of woman I wanted that night. I told her she would get pissed if I was truthful. She urged me on and finally I told her I wanted a cheap whore. She was stunned and I kissed her forcefully. I felt her pull back a little. I reached under her dress and pulled her waist to me. I told her “A slut like you knows you want it” I fingered her a bit pulling her panty hose and panties down.

I know there was a part of her that wanted to slap my face and leave but she didn’t. I told her to confess that she was a slut. She whimpered but told me she was a slut. I fucked her hard and deep and when she came she was screaming. She came like 4 times in rapid succession. It was both humiliating and an incredible turn on.

After that there would be times I’d walk up to her grab her. Call her a slut and make her undress and tell me she was a whore. She would look at me like she wanted to slap me and I would take her anyway. Sometimes having to wrestle her down.

One time she turned the tables on me as well. We were at a ball room dance convention and after drinks and dancing we started getting kinky in the room. We could hear people outside the room and she had me very horny and knew I would do anything to cum. She started fingering my ass. I jumped and tried to pull away but she held me down and fingered me. I gasp and wriggled not used to this.

Barry was a gay dancer (not unusual) but the 2 of us didn’t get along. She told me the only way I could com was to beg her get Barry for me. I begged her to give me to Barry was kinky but fun. Then she put ice on my balls and in a cold voice told me to describe in detail what I wanted Barry to do to me. She worked me back up as I begged her to put me on my knees and kiss Barry’s cock. I begged to kiss his ass. I told her I wanted to have Barry make me a fag I needed Barry’s cock.

All the dancers were staying in the hotel and as we played this game we heard Barry and 2 of his fuck buddy friends coming down the hall. She stopped I had just told her I wanted to suck Barry's cock. She told me to go to the door and invite them in. I was stunned, I was shaking uncontrolably and started to walk to the door. Barry and 2 friends were just on the other side with my G/f behind me. She told me this was my last day as a straight man. Just as I reached for the door handle she stopped me and lead me back to the bed.

I was humiliated but I came with such intensity I screamed a little and bucked as she stroked me. As I cam I was humiliated and wanted to tell her to piss off.

We played other “force” games, not too often because we wanted to keep the edge. Since we broke up I just have never been able to get that dual feeling again. Really miss it.

Anyone else like force play?

Again not rape.

 

[ElijaRDC]

Fantasy force can definitely be hot.

 

[Derya]

I like it.....had a relationship once like you mention that the forced fantasies enactments and role plays were rewarding as hell, unfortunately the rest of the relationship was crap so it did not last long. Like you mention I haven't found matching interest nor any quite as sexually fulfilling fantasy wise since.

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

Less than consensual is kind of a risky subject. I know some women love to be forced, but how do you tell if a woman is serious or just teasing. Forcing a woman sounds erotic and arousing, but I have always been afraid that afterwards she would say it was abuse or rape. Don’t need any legal problems.

I dated a woman once that had been raped, and while she was terrified and hated being raped, she confided in me that she had one of the best orgasms that she had ever had. She also confided that she wanted to experience those feelings again. As far as me raping her, you can't really rape someone when they ask you to do it, or if they are expecting it. So, I couldn’t recreate what she wanted.

Any suggestions about how to tell if a woman is serious, or just playing around? Or how to turn this fantasy into reality for a woman without getting into trouble? Also I wonder how many women, (if any), feel this same way?

 

[voltigeur]

Less than consensual is kind of a risky subject.

I agree and this is why I wanted to start this thread. I want to explore how others approach this type of fetish. I would never rape anyone.

I knew another girl who was always saying no during sex. I always stopped but wondered if she really wanted to be "forced". Like you if there is ever a doubt I back off.

What happened with the girl I described above was that she was humiliated and up to a point acted as though she didn't want to be used that way. But she was responding positively and we had been together for a while so it was easier to read her.

For both of us having that element that wants to stop and run the physical desire keeps you there. The orgasms were mind blowing.

So how do you draw that line? Keep things safe but still keep the edge.

 

[Nasty_Deeds]

I dated a woman once that had been raped

The woman I knew described her feelings as:
Terrified, because her attacker had a knife at her throat and could have easily killed her, (he actually left a small cut on her neck)

Revulsion, because she was being attacked in her own home. She returned home late one evening and walked in on a burglar and he brutally attacked and raped her. From her description, she was attacked the moment she walked in the door, and there was nothing gentle about his method of rape.

Anger at herself, because she couldn’t stop her body from responding sexually. From what she said, the physical feeling was the most sexually exhilarating thing she had ever experienced, and her orgasm was explosive.

She refused counseling because as she put it, what is she going to tell the counselor, “I felt degraded because I was raped, but other than that, it was the best sex I have ever had”.

I sometimes wonder, are their other women out there who feel the same way about being forced, or was she just a nut-case?

I do have to say that she was drawn to the BDSM lifestyle, and M/s, D/s relationships. Not in a fanatical way, but as an interest. Could this have been like some ultimate Master/slave thing to her or something like that?

 

[voltigeur]

There is definitly a tie between my BDSM fantasies and my "less than consentual" fanasies.

How do you walk that thin line? The thought of making my g/f lift her dress and show herself off. The quick regged breath, the shame the soft whimper. Followed by the moan when she is touched. As she stands there tell her how sexy she will look with a dick in her mouth. Just as she flashes that look of anter you lightly brush her clit and softly bite her neck.

All the while she stands there holding her dress folded up around her waist. Legs spread.

 

[fuckmeat]

How do you walk that thin line?

The simplest way is to employ a safeword. This is a word unrelated to sex and kinky play like 'red' that calls a halt to everything. Once a safeword is in place, the force-slut can say 'no' and mean 'yes' without you getting confused about what she's actually consenting to.

With my Mistress, forceplay generally meant shitloads of pain and/or humiliation, i.e. enough to make me start resisting. Pain (if the subbly type is even slightly maso) is great for this because it triggers instinctive responses that take a lot of time and 'abuse' to override. For me it takes a lot of pain but if in others it takes only minimal pain, so what? The end result is the same. Then you get to act pissed that she's trying to squirm away, block or resist you, especially if her body's telling you clearly that she's enjoying yourself. This leads to humiliation, which just compounds everything further.

If you think at any time that she's too spaced out to remember or use her safeword, you can easily jog her memory by taunting her. "Are you gonna scream red?" should be enough to remind her that she can opt out at any time.

A safe signal is also a good idea, for times when her mouth is busy.

Some people use traffic light colours, to avoid stopping play unless necessary. 'Green' means 'I'm fine and enjoying myself,' 'Amber' means 'I'm reaching the end of my tolerance to what you're doing or we need a time-out or minor re-negotiation here but I'm basically good,' and then 'red' stops play instantly and entirely, releasing the sub from any restraints.

So yeah, fine lines can be walked with some pre-negotiation. And trust me, in the hands of an inventive dom/sadist it is far from a dull, planned, pretend and 110% safe.

 

[voltigeur]

When ever we did bondage or any thing close to BDSM play we did always use a safe word. The type of situations like this were usually very spontainous.

Is is interesting fuckmeat that you say the safe word doesn't take from the experience. When I went to the hotel room door to invite Barry and his 3 friends in therew was no safe word. I could say no and all activity would end. I was so drunk and horny scared and humiliated when i was walking to the door in panties.

If my g/f had not stopped me I think I would have invited him in and been ravaged.

 

[punchlines]

One time she turned the tables on me as well. We were at a ball room dance convention and after drinks and dancing we started getting kinky in the room. We could hear people outside the room and she had me very horny and knew I would do anything to cum. She started fingering my ass. I jumped and tried to pull away but she held me down and fingered me. I gasp and wriggled not used to this.

Barry was a gay dancer (not unusual) but the 2 of us didn’t get along. She told me the only way I could com was to beg her get Barry for me. I begged her to give me to Barry was kinky but fun. Then she put ice on my balls and in a cold voice told me to describe in detail what I wanted Barry to do to me. She worked me back up as I begged her to put me on my knees and kiss Barry’s cock. I begged to kiss his ass. I told her I wanted to have Barry make me a fag I needed Barry’s cock.

All the dancers were staying in the hotel and as we played this game we heard Barry and 2 of his fuck buddy friends coming down the hall. She stopped I had just told her I wanted to suck Barry's cock. She told me to go to the door and invite them in. I was stunned, I was shaking uncontrolably and started to walk to the door. Barry and 2 friends were just on the other side with my G/f behind me. She told me this was my last day as a straight man. Just as I reached for the door handle she stopped me and lead me back to the bed.

I was humiliated but I came with such intensity I screamed a little and bucked as she stroked me.

Anyone else like force play?

Again not rape.

Can't say that treating a woman like that appeals to me, but that story is so erotic I got an instant hard-on from it. Can only imagine how horny that was.

Agree with the safeword stuff, though - unless you've built up years of trust with someone (and even if you have) they're a useful and simple tool to keep things on the level and make sure that everyone's having just the right amount of fun.

 

[thebig1234]

a fantasy of mine is for someone (male or female) to break into my house and i would let them fuck me instead of having them kill me

 

[fuckmeat]

When ever we did bondage or any thing close to BDSM play we did always use a safe word. The type of situations like this were usually very spontainous.

Is is interesting fuckmeat that you say the safe word doesn't take from the experience. When I went to the hotel room door to invite Barry and his 3 friends in therew was no safe word. I could say no and all activity would end. I was so drunk and horny scared and humiliated when i was walking to the door in panties.

If my g/f had not stopped me I think I would have invited him in and been ravaged.

In that situation with Barry and his friends you must remember that you weren't in the driving seat. I'm sure your gf knew that allowing you to go through with that would be a step too far. That's when you have to have extreme trust in anyone you give the upper hand to sexually; trust that is as extreme as your play. Do you really think she would ever have let you go through with it? I'd say not, unless she knew you had long harboured bi fantasies or something. Deep down on a subconscious level, a part of you will likely have known that.

 

[fuckmeat]

Can't say that treating a woman like that appeals to me, but that story is so erotic I got an instant hard-on from it. Can only imagine how horny that was.

Then it does appeal to you, if the woman wants and enjoys it. That poppet, is consensual sadism.

Agree with the safeword stuff, though - unless you've built up years of trust with someone (and even if you have) they're a useful and simple tool to keep things on the level and make sure that everyone's having just the right amount of fun.

Even with time and trust, safewords ensure a lack of ambiguity. Plenty of people employ them throughout long term relationships, plenty of others ditch them at one time or another. There's no set protocol or right or wrong, only what works for you and whoever you fuck.

It also depends no how much fulfilment a subbly type gets from play that isn't gratifying to them at all physically, but gets a dominant person's rocks off. The more submissive a person is, the less personal gratification/orgasm/whatever matters to them. That's a large part of why people who identify as slaves rather than subs are readier to give up their safeword. It's also why many subs and bottoms never will.

Bottom = someone who's masochistic but has no interest in submission or any kind of power exchange.

 

[punchlines]

Then it does appeal to you, if the woman wants and enjoys it. That poppet, is consensual sadism.

I meant from that point of view - I'd happily have what happened to him happen to me (ie be on the receiving end), but I don't think I could dominate/treat a woman the way that he did (ie be on the dominating end). I understand the consensual bit, it was more the side of it that I'd like to be on.

 

[voltigeur]

That particular G/F loved having those times that she could experience raw desire. She liked making love to but for this thread the games are the subject. I never put her on public display or gave any indication outside our bedroom as to how kinky this got at times.

I was submissive most of the time simply because her being assaulted in college. In BDSM games with her as the submissive I had to be very careful of how she was feeling. It just didn't work for us. The scenes that I'm describing were spontaneous times. As long as she wasn’t bound she was generally ok.

There was a lot of regular love making.

On the Dominant side most of the scenes were about showing her how much she turned me on physically. Having her on display for me and waiting to be used was a thrill for both of us.