"Lesbian" vs. Lesbian

[BitterIchor]

I don't know if I'm the first to bring this up, and I don't know if I'm being unnecessarily semantic and petty, but I still feel that I want to bring it up.

Alright. There is a difference between lesbianism and girl-on-girl sex. When I first discovered literotica and happily started to peruse the lesbian section, I was soon dissappointed to find out that "lesbian sex" here means anything from a threesome with a man to a married straight woman having sex with a woman while her husband is watching. Out of every 20 stories in the lesbian section I investigate, there is perhaps one or two that does anything for me.

Now, I realize that much of the lesbian erotica on the net is written specifically for men and their fantasies about their wives with other women and other typical (I say "typical" without any kind of malice) male lesbian fantasies. But there are us lesbians (not bi-curious or bisexual, but lesbians) that use the internet too, and some of us like erotica. I am one of these, and I'm having a really hard time finding some actual lesbian erotica. There are some, but it's not much at all. Oh, and finding some good butch/femme stuff is almost impossible, since that doesn't strike most guys fancy.

Wouldn't it be possible to sort the stories differently? Like, a girl-on-girl section and a lesbian section? What do you all think? Am I a moron? Or is this concern/request justified?

 

[cloudy]

I don't know if I'm the first to bring this up, and I don't know if I'm being unnecessarily semantic and petty, but I still feel that I want to bring it up.

Alright. There is a difference between lesbianism and girl-on-girl sex. When I first discovered literotica and happily started to peruse the lesbian section, I was soon dissappointed to find out that "lesbian sex" here means anything from a threesome with a man to a married straight woman having sex with a woman while her husband is watching. Out of every 20 stories in the lesbian section I investigate, there is perhaps one or two that does anything for me.

Now, I realize that much of the lesbian erotica on the net is written specifically for men and their fantasies about their wives with other women and other typical (I say "typical" without any kind of malice) male lesbian fantasies. But there are us lesbians (not bi-curious or bisexual, but lesbians) that use the internet too, and some of us like erotica. I am one of these, and I'm having a really hard time finding some actual lesbian erotica. There are some, but it's not much at all. Oh, and finding some good butch/femme stuff is almost impossible, since that doesn't strike most guys fancy.

Wouldn't it be possible to sort the stories differently? Like, a girl-on-girl section and a lesbian section? What do you all think? Am I a moron? Or is this concern/request justified?

Try any of the many stories by Colleen Thomas. She's an extremely talented author, and I can just about guarantee that you'll find something to your taste.

 

[JamesSD]

I can certainly see your point. I would like to point out that the more specific your tastes are, the less of a category is going to appeal to you. Additionally, Lesbian isn't unique in having different types of stories within its borders.

For example, Gay Male. Now, stereotypically gay men aren't too choosy. Most gay men find stories about a straight, married guy exploring sex with men to be hot. Still, within the gay male category there are romantic gay stories, threesome and moresome stories, etc. I'd be shocked if more than half "did it" for any reader.

Group sex is a personal favorite category of mine. I generally prefer stories of MFF threesomes or swapping couples (Incidently, this is where I really think stories of a married couple with another woman should go). I don't care for gang bang stories, MFM threesomes are less appealing for me, and there will be stories that involve male bisexuality.

Loving Wives is perhaps the most prototypical category that has a chasm between readers. It perhaps isn't the best example because I feel like it should be split. Loving wives contains "cuckold" stories, men that get off watching their wives with another man, and also revenge stories, about how men get back at their unfaithful spouse.

My point is, you could keep dividing and subdividing stories forever, and you still wouldn't have a category that was 100% gold for you. There's a variability of quality for one thing. Honestly, if 1 in 20 stories does something for you, that's a bit low, but not totally unreasonable.

In theory the story descriptions are supposed to help out in determining if the story is right for you. Admittedly they can often be vague.

As an admitted non-reader of lesbian stories, my feeling is that the vast majority of stories involving consentual one-on-one sex between two women would appropriately be considered a "lesbian" story. Simplicity and elegance are good things.

I'm sure there is demand for the sort of stories you're talking about. Why not write one yourself?

 

[BitterIchor]

I can certainly see your point. I would like to point out that the more specific your tastes are, the less of a category is going to appeal to you. Additionally, Lesbian isn't unique in having different types of stories within its borders.

For example, Gay Male. Now, stereotypically gay men aren't too choosy. Most gay men find stories about a straight, married guy exploring sex with men to be hot. Still, within the gay male category there are romantic gay stories, threesome and moresome stories, etc. I'd be shocked if more than half "did it" for any reader.

Group sex is a personal favorite category of mine. I generally prefer stories of MFF threesomes or swapping couples (Incidently, this is where I really think stories of a married couple with another woman should go). I don't care for gang bang stories, MFM threesomes are less appealing for me, and there will be stories that involve male bisexuality.

Loving Wives is perhaps the most prototypical category that has a chasm between readers. It perhaps isn't the best example because I feel like it should be split. Loving wives contains "cuckold" stories, men that get off watching their wives with another man, and also revenge stories, about how men get back at their unfaithful spouse.

My point is, you could keep dividing and subdividing stories forever, and you still wouldn't have a category that was 100% gold for you. There's a variability of quality for one thing. Honestly, if 1 in 20 stories does something for you, that's a bit low, but not totally unreasonable.

In theory the story descriptions are supposed to help out in determining if the story is right for you. Admittedly they can often be vague.

As an admitted non-reader of lesbian stories, my feeling is that the vast majority of stories involving consentual one-on-one sex between two women would appropriately be considered a "lesbian" story. Simplicity and elegance are good things.

I'm sure there is demand for the sort of stories you're talking about. Why not write one yourself?

I see your point and you're right.

However, there is still a special issue about lesbian themed stories that i brought up that still stands. Lesbianism is is very interesting to many men, that leads to an influx of stories that are directed at the male fantasy of lesbianism. This leads to stories that paint scenarios that could be taken out of a straight porno flick. But I suppose that's more a general quality issue than anything else.

I suppose you could say that I'm after stories written by lesbians for lesbians. How it varies within those parameters doesn't really matters.

 

[Penelope Street]

However, there is still a special issue about lesbian themed stories that i brought up that still stands. Lesbianism is is very interesting to many men, that leads to an influx of stories that are directed at the male fantasy of lesbianism. This leads to stories that paint scenarios that could be taken out of a straight porno flick. But I suppose that's more a general quality issue than anything else.

You're correct, this is a general quality issue and not something special confined to the lesbian category. Every erotic category contains 'stories' that are really just scenes that could be taken straight out of a porn flick. It's even something of an ongoing debate, what is really a story and what is merely a vignette. I find that most one-page submissions are the latter. Wouldn't hurt my feelings any if I could learn a submission's length without having to even open it, let alone scroll to the bottom.

 

[abbey_kyle]

I don't think you are going to find what you are looking for at Lit, Bitter. I think the slant is heavily hetero so you are always going to have a male lense to read through.

I would hit to some lesbian-structured sites that created publications specifically for lesbians such as Off Our Backs or Alison books. I don't have links but I think that's the direction you want to head to for the type of stories you are looking for. Good luck.

 

[cloudy]

I don't think you are going to find what you are looking for at Lit, Bitter. I think the slant is heavily hetero so you are always going to have a male lense to read through.

I would hit to some lesbian-structured sites that created publications specifically for lesbians such as Off Our Backs or Alison books. I don't have links but I think that's the direction you want to head to for the type of stories you are looking for. Good luck.

I disagree. There are some very talented writers of lesbian erotica here: Colleen Thomas (who I mentioned before, but for some reason, everyone ignored), Penelope Street who posted above, Lucky-e-leven (her story "Joyride" won in the year-end awards), etc.

You may have to wade through some not-so-good stories to find them, but they're here. Maybe asking for recommendations, and actually paying attention to them when they're offered might be a good strategy.

 

[Xenolan]

Probably one of the reasons why the Lesbian section is the way it is has to do with the fact that many of the authors in that section are much like me in one significant respect: they're men.

Men, for the most part, don't care much about romance when it comes to getting their rocks off. Oh sure, I like romance and meaningful relationships and emotional connections, it's just not a vital ingredient to sexual excitement. For women, rumor has it that the rules are a little different.

In addition, many men enjoy lesbians because they want to join them and turn it into a threesome. In real life, few actual lesbians are willing to entertain that idea, so we look for it here instead. We think of such stories as "lesbian" stories because we place ourselves in the position of the man involved, and so in a way he "doesn't count" as another character. This is especially true when the story is written from the man's point of view, in the first person. (Come to think of it, I do have such a story in the Lesbian category which really should be under Group Sex; I'll see if I can move it.)

Certainly there is a major difference between "lesbian" porn for men, and "girl-girl" porn for women. I agree that it would be beneficial for Lit to have seperate catergories, but there are probably a lot of people who just wouldn't know the difference.

 

[BitterIchor]

I disagree. There are some very talented writers of lesbian erotica here: Colleen Thomas (who I mentioned before, but for some reason, everyone ignored), Penelope Street who posted above, Lucky-e-leven (her story "Joyride" won in the year-end awards), etc.

You may have to wade through some not-so-good stories to find them, but they're here. Maybe asking for recommendations, and actually paying attention to them when they're offered might be a good strategy.

No, I think she's right, actually. I'm not saying there isn't talented erotica writers here, because there obviously is, but I don't think this place is for me. I have some experience with lesbian published erotica, but it's not all that easy to get a hold of, since it isn't widely distributed. I had hoped to find stuff on the net. I guess I'll just keep on searching.

By the way, I did check out Colleen Thomas. She is talented yes, but not to my liking. Thanks for the tip, though. There's no need to be snarky.

 

[abbey_kyle]

Xenolan, I see the point you are making but do have issue, a point of my own:

In addition, many men enjoy lesbians because they want to join them and turn it into a threesome. In real life, few actual lesbians are willing to entertain that idea...

"few actual lesbians are willing to entertain that idea"? I don't know of ANY lesbian willing to "entertain that idea." just my two cents.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I don't know if I'm the first to bring this up, and I don't know if I'm being unnecessarily semantic and petty, but I still feel that I want to bring it up.

Alright. There is a difference between lesbianism and girl-on-girl sex. When I first discovered literotica and happily started to peruse the lesbian section, I was soon dissappointed to find out that "lesbian sex" here means anything from a threesome with a man to a married straight woman having sex with a woman while her husband is watching. Out of every 20 stories in the lesbian section I investigate, there is perhaps one or two that does anything for me.

Now, I realize that much of the lesbian erotica on the net is written specifically for men and their fantasies about their wives with other women and other typical (I say "typical" without any kind of malice) male lesbian fantasies. But there are us lesbians (not bi-curious or bisexual, but lesbians) that use the internet too, and some of us like erotica. I am one of these, and I'm having a really hard time finding some actual lesbian erotica. There are some, but it's not much at all. Oh, and finding some good butch/femme stuff is almost impossible, since that doesn't strike most guys fancy.

Wouldn't it be possible to sort the stories differently? Like, a girl-on-girl section and a lesbian section? What do you all think? Am I a moron? Or is this concern/request justified?

I would reccomend Babylez as a possibly author to your tastes. I haven't read her myself, but she is highly reguarged. For down and dirty lesbian fare, Partica51 is good. If you like an edge, Luck-e-leven is excellent. If you are looking for smoething romantic Matriarch writes some of the best lesbian love stories on the site. If you like some humor with your erotica, try Vella ms. Britster writes very emotionally involving lesbian stories, although her stories aren't for everyone.

No matter what your tastes, there is an author here who probably comes close. I say close, because most of us started writing when we found no author really matched what we wanted.

No matter where you go online, you will find stories catagorized as Lesbian that simply aren't, be it something with a threesome or husband watching, or something that is too rediculous to swallow. You will have to wade through those to find what you want, but if you put in some time here at lit, I feel confident someone here writes to your tastes. It's just a matter of finding the author.

Without specific idea of what you want, I doubt anyone can really point you towards someone. If they could, it would be luck on your part. Within the genre, there are as many kinks, twists and takes as there are authors. If you feel comfortable being more specific to your tastes, you will likely find someone who can point you in the right direction.

I wish I could be more helpful, but I tend not to read other writers of Lesbian erotica because I am always afraid of subconciously pilfering.

 

[Penelope Street]

Without specific idea of what you want, I doubt anyone can really point you towards someone.

Now there's an idea. An example of one of the few stories that did work might be helpful.

 

[BitterIchor]

I'm afraid that I didn't always make an effort to remember the authors of some of the stories that struck my fancy. A bit ungrateful, perhaps.

I can't think of a single one here, actually. The only ones I can remember off-site are a select few of Ann Douglas stories, which are quite good.

 

[mack_the_knife]

"They're lesbians, they're not doing it for you..."

"That's what they think!"

 

[Xenolan]

Xenolan, I see the point you are making but do have issue, a point of my own:

"few actual lesbians are willing to entertain that idea"? I don't know of ANY lesbian willing to "entertain that idea." just my two cents.

Yes, I know that. I was just being a little about it.

This is probably why I, for instance, am fascinated with lesbian pornography, but the women I've met in real life who are lesbians don't do anything for me sexually. I know they are completely disinterested in me when it comes to sex, and being the sort of guy I am, that makes the feeling mutual.

When most men think of the FFM threesome, what they really mean is "I want two women to shower me with attention in bed, and anything they do with each other should be solely for my benefit, arranged so that I can watch." I suppose this occasionally happens in reality, but generally money has to change hands.

Unless it's a Literotica fantasy, which brings us back around to why most of the lesbian stories are the way they are. Written for the benefit of men, they are naturally totally unrealistic.

Actually, I once posted a question here asking lesbians to respond. The question was, essentially, "What turns you on? Help me write a story with realistic lesbian characters doing what they would really do." I was met with extremely hostile response, telling me what a jerk I was being to assume that lesbian women were all about sex, and that maybe I needed to start by assuming that they had a little more depth than that. (Honestly, this reaction still surprises me - if I'd gone to a Star Wars message board and asked about Yoda, I wouldn't have expected people to jump down my throat and say they were real people with lives outside of Star Wars. Apparently, though, it's rude and inconsiderate to go to a sex-based message board and ask about sex.)

So, I abandoned that idea, and continue to write for the men.

 

[abbey_kyle]

Xenolan, I respect your honesty.

I am not surprised by the response you got when you made your request. I am pretty sure that if a physical experience with two lesbians were to ever happen, it certainly would not be what you (or most men) could ever imagine simply becasue it would never be what you have described here: performed for your benefit with the male as the center of attention. You would, first, have to take the ego out of it, but then the whole fantasy would pretty much implode on itself, thus making the point of it moot.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I'm afraid that I didn't always make an effort to remember the authors of some of the stories that struck my fancy. A bit ungrateful, perhaps.

I can't think of a single one here, actually. The only ones I can remember off-site are a select few of Ann Douglas stories, which are quite good.

Ann is a very polished author. Finding stories of her calibre will be difficult.

She is also very nice. have you considered writing her and asking her if she has any recomendations?

 

[LadyTigeress]

Lesbian Stories

May I offer you the following, from a novellette in progress:

http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=207108
http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=207223
http://english.literotica.com:81/stories/showstory.php?id=207349
http://english.literotica.com:81/stories/showstory.php?id=208458

 

[tempsbrat]

If you like BDSM with a love story in it between lesbians check out my story on in this section. I am still working on it. Trying to develop the Mistress' voice and character more. I have others that I have not posted here as well.

I agree about the lesbian issue though. There are sites that are definately packed with lesbian stories and I moderate one. I won't advertise here, but you can pm me if you want.

Savannah

 

[M-Y-Erotica]

lesbian stories

First, I will echo, I think Abby, saying that some of the best stuff is published. Alyson books is a great press for everything lesbian, from aggressive erotica to lovely romances, etc. It's easier to find this stuff now than it was just a few years ago. At least, my local Barnes and Noble and Borders have about a shelf of lesbian focused romance/erotica. Course if you are in the Australian Outback, then you might have to order.

As far as finding stuff here, there are good things, but it takes looking. I can't say who you should look at because you haven't said what you like. The thing to do though is networking. Find a story you like and start following the trail for more stuff. You really have to remember names and such or you will keep searching blindly. Go to the author's page. If you are lucky, they will have some favorites that you can read. If you like playful, romantic versions of lesbian erotica, then try me.

http://english.literotica.com:81/stories/showstory.php?id=219311

Let's say you like the story. (I won't entertain the more likely bit where you don't.) You could then follow my fave authors links to find similar stuff. A lot of people don't have fave authors, but if the story is fairly new, you might be able to email the author (feedback) saying you liked the story and asking what else they have liked. Hopefully, you will eventually find a few things on here you like.
M-Y
And can I now say that I am now all disappointed because I was sooo sure my second story was going to come out tonight, but they just published the new ones and I'm not there. Waaaa!!

 

[Darla_Darling]

A common misconception

Men, for the most part, don't care much about romance when it comes to getting their rocks off. Oh sure, I like romance and meaningful relationships and emotional connections, it's just not a vital ingredient to sexual excitement. For women, rumor has it that the rules are a little different.

I can only speak for myself here, but I find this simply isn't true. I am not particularly interested in romantic stories. I prefer hot, dirty sex.

As for lesbian stories, I like them kinky, dark and written by actual lesbians. Someone made the point that in the "gay male" section, gay men didn't mind reading stories about straight guys having homosexual experiences. That's probably true, but how many of those stories are written by straight women, who like to get off on the idea of two men together? Probably not many.

 

[Crew Cut]

Share your view

I share your view, and at the risk of stroking my own clit, maybe you might like my stories? (Two names: Crew Cut and crewcut2000)

I Back Space immediately if thre is any mention of men in a story I am reading, and the term "bi-curious" makes me ....errr.....cringe? Not sure what, because I wish goodwill to all, but it's not me!

I'm 100% lesbian, and want to read erotica relating to my sexual preference. I turned to writing fantasy erotica that is dirty, featuring hard butch scenarios (even butch2butch becuase there's a real dearth there!).

I have been acused of being a man myself because I write some hard sex, but I think if you read enough you will se that there is always (or usually) a romantic element. I like to normalise lesbian relationships, even in fantasy settings, and love nothing more than creating "all lesbian" worlds!

Besides all that I have a real life short hair and piercing fetish so love including those elements in everythign from my writing name to stories!

Anyway, that's my two cents. See you round!

Crew (aka Jennifer)

 

[kbate]

I think I suffer from the desire to submit stories that will rate well rather than submitting stories which I truly like. I find it easier to write simple hetero porn scenes than to put my feelings into print in a way that is impersonal and readable.

My lesbian erotica rarely contains vivid sexual description, and thus I do not submit it to Lit where I would expect to be pounded men expecting "hawt girl-on-girl" sex.

I am working on a lesbian story right now, but through 4 chapters and 20,000 words it still has no sex to keep the average (non-lesbian) lit reader interested.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I appreciate the distinction you make between "lesbian" and "girl-girl." I will be sensitive about this in my future work.

I recommend that all authors add a short preface to their stories, which should include the stuff one finds on the inside of the dust jacket of a new novel. Lit's title/description format is too limiting to convey the true nature of a story, and as mentioned the categories here are necessarily quite broad. So make it easy for the readers by giving them some explicit clues right up front. Those who like what you're offering will be encouraged to read on, and those who don't won't waste their time (and maybe dis you with a bad vote or comment in return).