Lesbian partner sexual violence - feminists don't want you to know about this.

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://azrapeprevention.org/sites/azrapeprevention.org/files/06-Wingspan.pdf

Woman-to-woman sexual violence is an invisible form of sexual violation because of our denial that women are sexual perpetrators and because violence among lesbians and bisexual women is hidden. But once we face that it exists--as sexual abuse and rape in battering relationships, as date and acquaintance rapes, as sexual abuse by professionals we trust, and as sexual harassment by co-workers--we must admit that our denial has sacrificed the well-being of survivors for the perpetuation of a myth.

It is impossible to document the actual prevalence of sexual violence among lesbians and bisexual women because we cannot do a scientific study of a stigmatized group. Our studies are usually convenience samples, such as women at the women’s festivals or research based on participants who answered a study ad. But the studies do document the existence of a continuum of sexual violence that women are subjected to by other women. Research on battered lesbians, which has outpaced research specifically on sexual violence, has documented sexual abuse as one form of power and control (Lobel, 1986; Renzetti, 1992; Taylor & Chandler, 1995).

Studies over the past two decades on lesbian sexual violence show a range from a low of five percent to a high of 57 percent of respondents claiming they had experienced attempted or completed sexual assault or rape by another woman, with most studies finding rates of over 30 percent (Brand & Kidd, 1986; Duncan, 1990; Lie, Schilit, Bush, Montagne & Reyes, 1991; Loulan, 1988; Renzetti, 1992; Sloan & Edmond, 1996; WaldnerHaugrud & Gratch, 1997; Waterman, Dawson & Bologna, 1989).

"Lejacquelope you're crazy"

Translation:

"Lejacquelope we can't refute you so all we've got is our temper tantrums"

You can't refute this. Women rape women and lesbian partner violence is as prevalent as hetero partner violence. You can't fucking refute this.

Name-on, fuckers. I can't hear you when your lips are talking to the underside of my boot.

 

[hashtag45]

I agree with parts of what you're saying, LJ, having been there myself (bullied by a wmn at work - on one occasion in the past).

But I believe the reasons some of us jump on you (including myself, in your previous thread) -- have more to do with packaging rather than content.

I personally get a bit irrate when I read statements such as "all women or all gays are bad", or "all whites or all african-americans are bad", the rest of us are all-good. There are good and bad people everywhere, the proportion is almost the same.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

I agree with parts of what you're saying, LJ, having been there myself (bullied by a wmn at work - on one occasion in the past).

But I believe the reasons some of us jump on you (including myself, in your previous thread) -- have more to do with packaging rather than content.

I personally get a bit irrate when I read statements such as "all women or all gays are bad", or "all whites or all african-americans are bad", the rest of us are all-good. There are good and bad people everywhere, the proportion is almost the same.

Nah, my message isn't all women are bad. My message throughout all my posts is that evil is not a gendered thing. Rape isn't a gendered thing, nor is domestic violence, nor is sexism in general.

Showing that women can do evil, too, is a part of shattering the genderization myth.

Nobody bats an eyelash when I take a flaming bullwhip to Republicans and Traditional Conservatism. Funny that. Maybe people never notice that?

I hate radical feminism and ALL forms of Conservatism.

 

[hashtag45]

I hate radical conservatism too.

Speaking strictly from a personal point of view : what perplexes and annoys me most about women who do evil is that they tend to be bitchy towards and turn mostly against their own kind (aka other women).
- With regards to men : there are plenty of myssoginists out there and many cases of violence against women. But as an overall pattern of who most evil men target , I find that they don't discriminate as much gender-wise, at least I respect that.

I know you put up some articles re this, (and I do remember feeling perplexed by a particular woman at work. She was very vocal about women's rights domestic violence etc. Ironically, however, most of the complaints that she filed on a regular basis were against women).

-------- I'm mixing 2-3 ideas here but my brain is a bit tired at the moment you understand what I'm trying to say

What's your overal experience in this ? With both genders but espec. with men ?

 

[badbabysitter]

Nah, my message isn't all women are bad. My message throughout all my posts is that evil is not a gendered thing. Rape isn't a gendered thing, nor is domestic violence, nor is sexism in general.

Showing that women can do evil, too, is a part of shattering the genderization myth.

Nobody bats an eyelash when I take a flaming bullwhip to Republicans and Traditional Conservatism. Funny that. Maybe people never notice that?

I hate radical feminism and ALL forms of Conservatism.

funniest thing I've read all day

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I already posted about lesbian domestic violence rates a few weeks ago.

 

[badbabysitter]

just read a great article on it on feministing actually...it's been a hot topic in feminist circles for years actually

 

[hashtag45]

I already posted about lesbian domestic violence rates a few weeks ago.

could you pls. give me the link ?

 

[bronzeage]

just read a great article on it on feministing actually...it's been a hot topic in feminist circles for years actually

Anyone who has worked in a battered women's shelter knows all about it.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

could you pls. give me the link ?

Here you go:

No, the CDC did a study for the first time in 2010 on this issue, breaking down domestic violence by gender as well as orientation. Here is the ranking of domestic violence, by percentage of people who reported they were a victim. From the highest percentage to the lowest:

1. Lesbian against lesbian
2. Gay male against gay male
3. Hetero male against hetero woman
4. hetero woman and hetero male

I will dig up the actual stats shortly.

(Granted, this is self-reported so one might make the argument that hetero men are less likley to report. But this is the best I can go on.)

Which stats are you referring to in particular?

Here is the CDC report.

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_SOfindings.pdf

And since it is a lot to read and digest, and a lot to pull toether in order to rank, here is an article on the subject The Advocate, a place where one might expect to claim that "heterosexual men are beating up their women regularly" when in fact they are claiming the opposite:

http://www.advocate.com/crime/2014/09/04/2-studies-prove-domestic-violence-lgbt-issue

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

just read a great article on it on feministing actually...it's been a hot topic in feminist circles for years actually

I have never read feministing. I went to the site and clicked on the top editor's pick. It seems she is making the argument that being pumped and dumped in a one night stand by a player (who also fucked her friends) is rape if he isn't "fully present" when he fucks her. She actually stated that she likes to occasionally fuck complete strangers... yet she is puzzled that they don't connect with her and simply use her as a hole? What on earth is this site promoting, is it a troll site written by men making fun of feminism?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

just read a great article on it on feministing actually...it's been a hot topic in feminist circles for years actually

Feminists wish to disagree.

http://www.pandys.org/articles/lesbiandomesticviolence.html
"Considering the lack of discussion that takes place regarding lesbian domestic violence and sexual assault, I find these figures staggering."

"There is a wall of silence within the lesbian community about domestic violence, and to some extent, the lesbian community seems somewhat reluctant to address the fact that this does occur within our ranks (Ristock, 2002). It has even been referred to as “the second closet”."

And the feminist-created Duluth Model of Domestic Violence, which is the de facto law of the land when it comes to domestic violence, defines domestic violence as something men do, not women.
http://www.theduluthmodel.org/about/faqs.html#shame
http://www.theduluthmodel.org/about/why-works.html

Duluth Model is the de facto law of the land:
https://www.crimesolutions.gov/PracticeDetails.aspx?ID=17


So yeah, you are quite wrong.
I'm armed with four factual citations for this, three from feminist sites. What you got?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Lesbian abusers also have an easy time going into shelters by saying they're an abuse victim, and thus finding their partner who's hiding there. Ain't that an anal mind fuck.

Citation from another FEMINIST website:
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/11/myths-ipv-lesbian-relationships/

After attending a training about intimate partner violence from my agency, staff at a local doctor’s office found themselves calling our hotline. They had a lesbian woman in their exam room who was terrified of her highly agitated abusive partner sitting in their waiting room. There had been significant emotional and physical abuse in their relationship.

When it was over, the survivor would be secretly ushered out the back door into a waiting cab to bring her to shelter, and law enforcement would become involved.

Of course, we then had to warn crisis line advocates who approve people for shelter to be extra cautious when screening. You see, some lesbian abusers have pretended to be victims of intimate partner violence so that they could gain entry into shelters and find their partner.

This is how misandry (the portrayal of domestic violence as a "gendered" thing aka something only men do) hurts women.