Lesbian in first/only hetro experience

[togitc]

I have an idea in the works that I need a bit of input on. I don't want this to be tacky or just a stroke story.

She isn't the 'hollywood' lesbian and he isn't a player trying to turn her straight. It is just one time that means something to them both, but nothing changes. For everyone there is that someone or someones who makes it ok to bend the norm.

The idea is basically about the straight guy and his lesbian friend having sex. There is a bit more to it, they have a longstanding friendship and have known each other for a very long time.

Setting: Camping trip

OVERVIEW:
They share a tent, it's nothing new. They get to talking about sex and relationships, both are freshly single. Conversation turns to how she realized she was lesbian, he brings up that he tried being with a guy and it didn't work. It comes up that he thinks that if he met that one guy he wouldn't have the hang-ups. Leave it at that for the night.

They go to bed and wake up cuddled together. Conversations stays on sex, girlfriends, and exactly who he 'experimented' with and what it entailed. At the end of the day they go for a swim and bathe. Nothing kinky, wash her back, wash his, and warm up by the fire. They share a blanket and a couple of kisses.

End the night with a somewhat awkward occasion of sex.

The next morning, they go back to town. Once in town they stop for gas, a cute girl works behind the counter and she asks for her number.

Sound good or tacky?

 

[sirhugs]

where's the actual sex?

are you saying HE's bicurious as well? I think that would unduly complicate tale. I'd rather he be really straight. Then they can talk girls like two guys on a fishing trip. He's embarassed by his boner. She says, " no problem, I'm excited too...look at my nipples."

He can't see them through her flannel shirt, so she removes the shirt.....

 

[togitc]

The sex is at the end of the second night.

See the thing is I am tired of writing stroke stories, I want to write substance.

Yeah I can turn the swimming/bathing scene into a fuck-fest, but that isn't true to the characters. Sure I could make her straight and just use the same description, maybe just make her a tomboy, but that isn't her.

On second thought I sound a bit zealous...

Alright, who is hiding my Prozac?

 

[sirhugs]

I wasn;t sayong SHE should be straight. I was confused if HE was bi. You need smut in the first 1000 words or all but the Romance readers will hit "back"

 

[togitc]

Smut meaning sex?

Stupid but honest question.

If I have teasing or wet-dreams, maybe talking about sexual experiences. Would that count?

He probably could be bi-curious. Then I could make it him and his gay friend instead of his lesbian friend. That would take a lot of the motivation hang-ups away.

Hugs, I love you man. Is there any way I could like have you downloaded into my computer when I'm coming up with these? You pervy bastard, meant in the nicest way possible.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Hugs, I love you man. Is there any way I could like have you downloaded into my computer when I'm coming up with these? You pervy bastard, meant in the nicest way possible.

Sorry this is off topic... But I'm in my own lil' pervie euphoria reading this!

 

[sirhugs]

Smut meaning sex?

Stupid but honest question.

If I have teasing or wet-dreams, maybe talking about sexual experiences. Would that count?

He probably could be bi-curious. Then I could make it him and his gay friend instead of his lesbian friend. That would take a lot of the motivation hang-ups away.

Hugs, I love you man. Is there any way I could like have you downloaded into my computer when I'm coming up with these? You pervy bastard, meant in the nicest way possible.

yes, smut meaning sex

I'm pretty sure Mom and dad were married. Or my older brother might have some questions. But, I am a tad pervy, I will admit....just don't tell Mom.

Personally, I like the idea of m/f better. but you could do both.

 

[sirhugs]

Sorry this is off topic... But I'm in my own lil' pervie euphoria reading this!

is that anywhere near Peoria ?

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Only if you're perving with another man, Sirhugs.

 

[sirhugs]

Only if you're perving with another man, Sirhugs.

huh? how does that fit?

 

[togitc]

yes, smut meaning sex

I'm pretty sure Mom and dad were married. Or my older brother might have some questions. But, I am a tad pervy, I will admit....just don't tell Mom.

Personally, I like the idea of m/f better. but you could do both.

Everyone is a bit pervy, that is what makes the world so fun. Did you know that there was a study that said infidelity was most likely a genetic trait. So that makes me wonder who exactly did I get it from?

I just got it. Wow I'm slow.

A bi-curious female would make the story a lot easier. Make her a lesbian and she wonders what is so great about being with a guy. She trusts him and that is how it goes down.

FUCK I AM SLOW!

 

[sirhugs]

Everyone is a bit pervy, that is what makes the world so fun.



FUCK I AM SLOW!

I don't think my Mom is pervy at all. I may be a virgin birth. which is odd for a middle child.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I wasn;t sayong SHE should be straight. I was confused if HE was bi. You need smut in the first 1000 words or all but the Romance readers will hit "back"

Pffft.

I can take 1K words to just set the scene and intro elements.

Shame on you for leading aspiring authors astray


If you want the input of someone who writes les stories, it won't work for a lit audience. Unless you intend to post a lesbian set up scene, it isn't going to get posted in the les section, if it were, the dykes would rip it to shreds. If you're posting it in erotic couplings, her past experience and inclination isn't terribly important.

I know people who give sympathy fucks. I know a few who have had a single erotic envcounter with someone special where the sex act was lesss important than the feelings. It's an interesting idea, but persuing it would require consumate skill to get even acceptable marks from a lesbian. The straight guy "turing" a les is basically a guy stroke fantasy.

If you are going to write it, then my advice is to be absolutely certain of what feelings are involved and what the meaning is and give that heavy play through the initial and build up sequences.

my 2 cents

 

[sirhugs]

Pffft.

I can take 1K words to just set the scene and intro elements.

Shame on you for leading aspiring authors astray




my 2 cents

but your readers keep going because they know you are the Mistress of the hot sweet sour lesbian soup opera, as proven by your high scores. Besides which, your success may just prove my point - the readers hungry for quick stroke fiction hit " back" rather than carry on to page 2 ( a little trick I learned from Chicklet, who I miss terribly).

 

[togitc]

Pffft.

I can take 1K words to just set the scene and intro elements.

Shame on you for leading aspiring authors astray


If you want the input of someone who writes les stories, it won't work for a lit audience. Unless you intend to post a lesbian set up scene, it isn't going to get posted in the les section, if it were, the dykes would rip it to shreds. If you're posting it in erotic couplings, her past experience and inclination isn't terribly important.

I know people who give sympathy fucks. I know a few who have had a single erotic envcounter with someone special where the sex act was lesss important than the feelings. It's an interesting idea, but persuing it would require consumate skill to get even acceptable marks from a lesbian. The straight guy "turing" a les is basically a guy stroke fantasy.

If you are going to write it, then my advice is to be absolutely certain of what feelings are involved and what the meaning is and give that heavy play through the initial and build up sequences.

my 2 cents

This isn't a 'turning' story. More of a curious sort.

The story is based on me and my 'little brother', no relation. She was a lesbian and we were really close. I get along better with women, lesbians are no exception.

We talked constantly about sex. She had no experience with men, only with girls and women. The camping trip never happened, it was a rather odd dream. I shared the dream with her and we laughed about it.

There has been on occasion that curiosity just gets the better of people. How do you truly know you like men/women? Is it just because that is what you are supposed to?

Honestly, I have experimented with guys. I had two boyfriends and it just didn't feel right. I couldn't bring myself to kiss either of them and that clinched it for me. Why date someone if you can't make-out? To me kissing and groping are the grounds for every great relationship.

So now that I've shared way too much here is the rest. I would like to get my hands on one of the dykes and see talk about the character. I don't want this to be hokey or a stroke story, given the complications and my ties to the story I probably won't actually write it. For some reason I can't put people I care about into my stories, regardless of incarnation. Odd, I know.

Did that address or mention anything you said? I got on a rant there for a bit.

Sirhugs can try to 'corrupt' my ideas and I like it just fine. It is nice to have someone to give an alternate POV. Will I use the suggestions? Maybe, it gets the cogs turning though. I love this place.

On a side note, I am about .06 points away from making the top-list for one of my stories.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

This isn't a 'turning' story. More of a curious sort.

The story is based on me and my 'little brother', no relation. She was a lesbian and we were really close. I get along better with women, lesbians are no exception.

We talked constantly about sex. She had no experience with men, only with girls and women. The camping trip never happened, it was a rather odd dream. I shared the dream with her and we laughed about it.

There has been on occasion that curiosity just gets the better of people. How do you truly know you like men/women? Is it just because that is what you are supposed to?

Honestly, I have experimented with guys. I had two boyfriends and it just didn't feel right. I couldn't bring myself to kiss either of them and that clinched it for me. Why date someone if you can't make-out? To me kissing and groping are the grounds for every great relationship.

So now that I've shared way too much here is the rest. I would like to get my hands on one of the dykes and see talk about the character. I don't want this to be hokey or a stroke story, given the complications and my ties to the story I probably won't actually write it. For some reason I can't put people I care about into my stories, regardless of incarnation. Odd, I know.

Did that address or mention anything you said? I got on a rant there for a bit.

Sirhugs can try to 'corrupt' my ideas and I like it just fine. It is nice to have someone to give an alternate POV. Will I use the suggestions? Maybe, it gets the cogs turning though. I love this place.

On a side note, I am about .06 points away from making the top-list for one of my stories.

Unless you feel you have consumate skill as a storyteller or a very thick skin I still don't think it will work. You're going to get crucified. It may not ba a "turning" story to you, but that is how most lesbians I know will read it.

It's hard to put his in words, but, lesbians do not see men as the objects of sexual desire. The unspoken belief among males that it "just takes the right guy" is supremely insulting. We don't go around saying to all these blustering he-men that they really want to suck cock, they just haven't met the right man yet do we? But in essence, that's what we get a steady diet of.

Now, I'm not saying you are one of the legion of guys who feel this way. And I'm not saying all lesbians feel this way. I am saying that you will be wading upstream against this current if you write this story.

I'm not saying you shouldn't write it. I'm not saying it cannot be written and written well. I am simply saying if you write it, prepare to get low votes, critical PCs and feedback.

If reception is not an issue with you, then by all means forge ahead. If you are concerned with how the work will be recieved, then plan for some negative comentary on it.

I'm a woman. I'm a les. I have a following of very forgiving readers and I have pretty thick skin. That said, I wouldn't try a story with this theme.

I really think the invective in the reactions would be more trouble than telling the story was worth to me.

Just my 2 cents though.

Good luck

Edited to add: thre is a caveat. If you don't write any F/F sex and don't submit it to the les cat, you may very well avoid the negative reaction. A good proportion of the lesbian readership only rarely venture outside the cat for a story to read.

 

[sirhugs]

Colly - are there not 'straight curious' lesbians like there are bi curious guys? Or are you saying that politically, the topic, though reality based to some extent, would still get flamed?

How about at the end, the girl is just reconfirmed that she's not missing much?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Colly - are there not 'straight curious' lesbians like there are bi curious guys? Or are you saying that politically, the topic, though reality based to some extent, would still get flamed?

How about at the end, the girl is just reconfirmed that she's not missing much?

Lesbians are just like anyone else, sirH. There are confirmed lesbians and some who are closer to bi, but identify themselves as lesbians, and others all along the spectrum.

It's partly political, I'm sure. It's partly just plain common sense, lesbians looking for an erotic story in their cat are probaly going to find a straight sex scene off putting, and will, by and large be upset if that's the only scene. the main character being a lesbian isn't going to cut much ice.

In a main stream story, you might legitimately expect her just being sure she's gay as a workable ending. In an erotic story, you probably won't.

Consider how it would work if you reversed it and had a straight male having sex with a gay friend. Would the protag wiping cum off his chin and deciding her really prefers girls stop the masses from having kittens over finding M/M sex in a cat wehre they didn't expect it?

It does happen, don't get me wrong. I've had sex with guys before and there are one or two at lit I might still consider it with, I like them and trust them that much.

The counsel isn't personal, or based on realism or a lack there of. The advice is simply one author to another on what to expect should he go ahead and write and post it.

 

[sirhugs]

All good points.

I agree its pretty clear that a story about hetro sex has no place in the Lesbian category.

 

[togitc]

Thanks for the info.

First off, I would never post this in the lesbian section. Just because one of the characters is a lesbian doesn't mean that it goes there. Second, she doesn't decide that all she needed was a good fuck to turn, it's just kind of like two friends who are very close and decided to take it a bit further. Will it happen again? Doubtful or only if there is depression and lots of booze, joking.

Thanks for your help. On a side note I was thinking of writing a gay story similar to what you mentioned. Trying to broaden my writing horizons.

And now that I have the info and input needed let's talk about something serious.

Does anyone know exactly how they get those little ships into those bottles?