Legal Underage Stories?

[HeraHestia]

I was thinking of ways that it might be possible to write underage stories legally and came up with *don't jump ship on this one * sex without real sex. And I'm not talking young children just a way to lower that age 18 bar slightly. I decided on a dreamscape where there's some sort of apparatus almost matrix like where the person can go (or be put) and they experience dreams as if real life and that's where the sex happens but in reality nothing is actually happening to real live person. Would this still be considered taboo does anyone know? Also if there are any similar suggestions out there please weigh in.

 

[Serafina1210]

Here's the weekly "how can I get away with an underage story?" thread.

My best advice is: Just drop it.

Write what you want and post it on a story site that will accept it.

 

[TamLin01]

Incidentally, this is very similar to the plot of an intriguing play I saw earlier this year.

In any case, my understanding is that attempts to cheat the standard by violating the spirit of the law but not technically the letter are always rejected. Indeed, whatever idea you can conceive of has probably been tried at least once before already. People are creative about this sort of thing, after all...

 

[Weird Harold]

I was thinking of ways that it might be possible to write underage stories ...

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

FWIW, underage stories aren't illegal, just don't expect Lit to publish yours.

 

[sr71plt]

As WH posted, it isn't a question of underage stories being legal. They are legal. That has nothing to do do whether they are permitted on this privately owned site. They aren't permitted on this privately owned site. And, yes, imagined underage sex is still sex, with the suggestion it's underage as the titillation factor, ergo not acceptable here.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Underage sex? NOT ALLOWED HERE AT LIT.

For every story that is submitted from an author who tries to get around the underage rule, I think they should be banned, by IP address, forever.

Rules are rules and the owners of the site make the rules and the rules are NO UNDER AGE SEX, PERIOD.

Good-bye and good luck over at ASSTR, they love that shit over there.

 

[mrbrowneyes66]

Stupid and ignorant for anyone that would even consider writing about this. Must be sick in the head.

 

[sr71plt]

Geez, let's lose the pitchforks. Question asked and answered. If the OP moves on on the topic, that should be good enough.

 

[lovecraft68]

Underage sex? NOT ALLOWED HERE AT LIT.

For every story that is submitted from an author who tries to get around the underage rule, I think they should be banned, by IP address, forever.

Rules are rules and the owners of the site make the rules and the rules are NO UNDER AGE SEX, PERIOD.

Good-bye and good luck over at ASSTR, they love that shit over there.

Man, get off your horse, this site also claims they don't allow rape stories, but do a keyword search for rape.

So let's chill on the righteous indignation and leave it at the site doesn't want them here.

 

[sr71plt]

but do a keyword search for rape.

You'll come up blank. The site doesn't permit that keyword.

 

[lovecraft68]

You'll come up blank. The site doesn't permit that keyword.

Well I went into search stories on this page

https://www.literotica.com/stories/

which took me here

https://search.literotica.com/search.php?type=story

and I typed in Rape and got...

https://search.literotica.com/searc...=newer&sort=relevancy&sort_order=desc&author=

So it seems to work.

And that's pretty much why that particular rule is nothing more than double speak because if you tried a story "screwing my 14 year old neighbor" it would not pass muster(at least I hope not) why? Because she doesn't want them here.

Banging my doberman would not fly either as the site does not want bestiality.

So if the site did not want rape, then there would be no title or tag with the word, right?

Not beating an old argument, because there is no argument, the proof is right there.

And just like under age there is nothing illegal about these stories and I'm not saying they should be censored in anyway, kink is a kink, but the "we don't allow them" is really beyond laughable.

So my point to Zeb is simply not to make this site sound like its some type of morally superior platform, its not, its simply by preference of the site, not that they have more scruples than others.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Where exactly does the site claim this?

a.) They have a category for Non-Consent. Non-Consent includes rape. Ergo, they allow rape.

b.) Where is it explicitly stated that they "don't allow rape stories?"

c.) It's not like it's hidden: you can search tags and titles and find "rape" everywhere*

*Hmm, perhaps Pilot is right and it's a forbidden tag. In any event, it is in titles.

Ergo, lit allows rape stories; there is no hypocrisy--ETA, as you've been claiming for years.

this site also claims they don't allow rape stories, .

 

[lovecraft68]

Then why would Pilot even think that word wouldn't be allowed? Because its been said for years here, way before me they don't want 'real rape' stories here. They play the someone has to enjoy it at some point game, what they want at the max is dub con.

But its a hard area to police and it would take reading stories in full to see if its real or not, they barely look at any story here. Or do you not remember the under age(11 years old) rape story you found and started a thread about because reporting it did no good?

Bottom line they're not serious about any rules. Finding stories about budding breasts here proves underage isn't scanned for either, leave out the age and everything flies.

Lit has a self policed type platform, they say here's the rules, but I'm one person and I barely look at them or there will be a huge back log and delay in posting so if you see something let us know, the average person isn't going to report something because they figure if its here its supposed to be.

Want to see a site that enforces rules, check out Lush Stories. No rape? There is no non con section, they allow no underage and you won't find any and no bestiality. Again you won't find any, because they have editors and staff and take it seriously.

In fact Lush a couple years back drove a spike in their own site by ditching incest because they grew tired of people trying to force under age into the category. They lost money and traffic to stand by their rules.

Everything here is wink wink CYA, its the amazon model of we forbid it, but we'll let you do it, until it gets reported and then we will reject you and blame you for doing it and say "how did that get there?"

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I don't see why this is relevant, because the point is, your statement that "Lit does not allow rape stories," which you repeat over and over and over, is not true.

"No rape?"

Lit does not claim there is "no rape." There is no hypocrisy. Obviously not, since they have a category called Non-Consent. That's not covering over rape, that explicitly showing, we allow rape stories.

Rape is a sub-category of Non-Consent, like it's a sub category of Sexual Assault. It's allowed.

What you're actually complaining about it stories getting through that escape their own voluntary, subjective stance on violence and non-consent; like the occasional underage gets through. No one's disputing that, and Laurel is perfectly clear in admitting, "It happens." Call it to their attention and it gets addressed.

But THAT is very different thing than continuing to slander this site as having a "hypocriticial" policy. They do not.

Want to see a site that enforces rules, check out Lush Stories. No rape? There is no non con section, they allow no underage and you won't find any and no bestiality. Again you won't find any, because they have editors and staff and take it seriously.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Last I checked, using rape as a tag was forbidden. Unclear why, but it was.

It bothers me that people new to this group get greeted with abuse when the Underage Question comes up. It's not like the FAQs for this site are easy to find or even all in the same spot. Since it's not illegal to write about in the US at least, it's not obvious to new people why Lit disallows it. And to the one poster who seems to think "underage" = "sick in the head", that's a seriously disturbing claim. A 17 year old guy gets hot and heavy with a 16 year old girl. So the 17 year old guy is sick in the head? Strange, I'd consider that pretty normal behaviour at 17. What were you doing at 17? Trying to get your hands down a girl's pants, most likely. Are you sick in the head?

Anyway, it's seems to me that Laurel's stances on all these things are more business decisions than either legal or specifically ethical positions; as such they reflect the ethos of the marketplace and naturally don't make a lot of logical sense. So why do we expect people to find them obvious or sensible? Lighten the hell up, is what I'm saying.

 

[sr71plt]

Well I went into search stories on this page

https://www.literotica.com/stories/

which took me here

https://search.literotica.com/search.php?type=story

and I typed in Rape and got...

https://search.literotica.com/searc...=newer&sort=relevancy&sort_order=desc&author=

So it seems to work.

And that's pretty much why that particular rule is nothing more than double speak because if you tried a story "screwing my 14 year old neighbor" it would not pass muster(at least I hope not) why? Because she doesn't want them here.

That's an "interesting" return, yes, but that wasn't a keyword (tag) search, as you specified. A tag (keyword) search comes up with:

https://search.literotica.com/searc...=newer&sort=relevancy&sort_order=desc&author=

Nada

So, as I posted, "rape" is not permitted here as a tag.

Since you're so obsessed with this business, You could always report those stories that had "rape" in the title and see what happens to them.

 

[sr71plt]

Last I checked, using rape as a tag was forbidden. Unclear why, but it was.

It bothers me that people new to this group get greeted with abuse when the Underage Question comes up. It's not like the FAQs for this site are easy to find or even all in the same spot. Since it's not illegal to write about in the US at least, it's not obvious to new people why Lit disallows it. And to the one poster who seems to think "underage" = "sick in the head", that's a seriously disturbing claim. A 17 year old guy gets hot and heavy with a 16 year old girl. So the 17 year old guy is sick in the head? Strange, I'd consider that pretty normal behaviour at 17. What were you doing at 17? Trying to get your hands down a girl's pants, most likely. Are you sick in the head?

Anyway, it's seems to me that Laurel's stances on all these things are more business decisions than either legal or specifically ethical positions; as such they reflect the ethos of the marketplace and naturally don't make a lot of logical sense. So why do we expect people to find them obvious or sensible? Lighten the hell up, is what I'm saying.

I primarily comment on this when it not being permitted here is equated with writing about rape being illegal. It's not illegal to write about rape or even to depict it fictionally. Mainstream books and TV series are riddled with rape plots.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

You seem to be missing the point.

Please show us where it says this site "does not want rape." Repeating it over and over does not make it true.

So if the site did not want rape, then there would be no title or tag with the word, right?

.

 

[Tommybowler]

this has me thinking, The age of consent in the uk is 16, ie at sixteen it is legal to have sex with a person of your choosing who is over 16 also in that you are deemed by the law of the land able to consent to having sex at age 16, You can not however consent at age 15 or below and anyone having sex with someone under the age of 16 is committing rape as legally the under 16 can not give consent.

So now to porn and naked pictures, You have to be 18 to view or be the subject of naked pictures or be in porn, even though at 16 you can legally have sex you can not watch moving images of it or be filmed or photographed doing so.

So what is the law in the good ole USA of a ? Is it you can not give consent until over 18?

In some european countries the age of consent is lower than 16 , 15 in The czech republic (but its not as simple as that there are some rules i do not understand nor do i have need to as all my sexual partners here have been close to my age that is a couple of decades more..

I understand vatican city has an age of 12 but not sure if this is still current.

I know this is a little off topic, the rules of lit are all persons in the story have to be over 18 when they are having sex end of and that is the right of the owners to have this rule.

 

[sr71plt]

this has me thinking, The age of consent in the uk is 16, ie at sixteen it is legal to have sex with a person of your choosing who is over 16 also in that you are deemed by the law of the land able to consent to having sex at age 16, You can not however consent at age 15 or below and anyone having sex with someone under the age of 16 is committing rape as legally the under 16 can not give consent.

This is what has gotten really tiresome on the forum. None of this has a damn thing to do with whether or not under 18 sex can be posted to Literotica. It can't--by the preference of the privately owned Web site. The rest of this is just a bunch of garbage concerning whether under 18 sex can be posted to Literotica. It's all just irrelevant here and a waste of your time to write and everyone else's to read.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Then why would Pilot even think that word wouldn't be allowed? Because its been said for years here, way before me they don't want 'real rape' stories here.

By who?

All I know is I did my own research recently and I spoke with Laurel. Lit does not have a policy forbidding rape.

Do you want to start qualifying this statement with "real" rape (according to you)?

They play the someone has to enjoy it at some point game, what they want at the max is dub con.

That's not a game. Rape is allowed; how and what kind and what are the nuances--a bit of a different question. At base they are all acts of rape; what YOU have in mind with YOUR use of the word is not exactly relevant to LAUREL's policy.

But its a hard area to police and it would take reading stories in full to see if its real or not, they barely look at any story here. Or do you not remember the under age(11 years old) rape story you found and started a thread about because reporting it did no good?

I do remember; and what I remember is that I started a thread in anger NOT HAVING REPORTED it first; that was my mistake, and I promptly did, and it was removed. If anything, this shows that when you report a story that gets through, they listen and do something about it.

Bottom line they're not serious about any rules. Finding stories about budding breasts here proves underage isn't scanned for either, leave out the age and everything flies.

Well gee, if you care so much about it, I think the first thing you could do is take down "In Her Daddy's bed." I believe you have a brain-addled "18 year old" wearing self-described "jammies" crawling into Daddy's bed like a 4 year old. Your "Bound for Daddy" is not exactly kosher, either. That's the one some dude wrote you and said Wow, when I raped my daughter it was so different.

Bottom line is: you're more interested in harassing Laurel than you are about the "rules." You're more interested in some self-serving agenda about your personal issues with "rape" than anything else. An erotica site with a Non-Con section and many Non-Con readers, male and female, is not the place to beat your chest like a baboon about it. In the end, you do more to harass females (because they are the biggest audience for Non-Con) than anything else--like driving allamagione off the AH.

Lit has a self policed type platform, they say here's the rules, but I'm one person and I barely look at them or there will be a huge back log and delay in posting so if you see something let us know, the average person isn't going to report something because they figure if its here its supposed to be.

Want to see a site that enforces rules, check out Lush Stories. No rape? There is no non con section, they allow no underage and you won't find any and no bestiality. Again you won't find any, because they have editors and staff and take it seriously.

In fact Lush a couple years back drove a spike in their own site by ditching incest because they grew tired of people trying to force under age into the category. They lost money and traffic to stand by their rules.

Everything here is wink wink CYA, its the amazon model of we forbid it, but we'll let you do it, until it gets reported and then we will reject you and blame you for doing it and say "how did that get there

Really--so what? Is this cause for national security? Only if you're in a church somewhere, which we are not. Mistakes happen, and when they do, they are fixed.

I don't concern myself so much with it. You're acting like someone with a pitchfork--like one of those religious nuts you're always complaining about. If I run across something, I report it; but I don't lie awake at night, as you apparently do, foaming at the mouth because someone somewhere is "getting off" to a fantasy I don't particularly like.

And not to state the obvious, but you really have to ask if it doesn't make you the biggest hypocrite of all for continuing to post here? That's your own moral quandary; stop trying to make it all of our problem, too.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

So what is the law in the good ole USA of a ? Is it you can not give consent until over 18?

It's complicated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States

But 18 is the generally safe answer. In some situations involving close-in-age laws it's not automatically rape if even if one partner is as young as 12, if the other is 15 or less. I'm reasonably certain that's the absolute youngest possible in the US and it's only there because they'd prefer not to criminalise normal sexual experimentation between pubscents.

Obligatory Thread Maintenance: this has nothing to do with Literotica, etc. Laurel is a goddess. We do not question Laurel.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

How would Ionesco's "Maid to Marry" fare on lit? When the woman's daughter comes on the scene at the end, she's a 46-year old mustachioed man. Her mother points out, however, that she still owes her parents 32 years, so she's still a minor. The daughter concludes the play by scandalizing her mother and the man she's talking to with the comment: "Many a minor mates a major!"

(NB: It's been a long time since I read it, so I might have the ages a bit wrong, but you get the idea.)

 

[Handley_Page]

I was thinking of ways that it might be possible to write underage stories legally and came up with *don't jump ship on this one * sex without real sex. And I'm not talking young children just a way to lower that age 18 bar slightly. I decided on a dreamscape where there's some sort of apparatus almost matrix like where the person can go (or be put) and they experience dreams as if real life and that's where the sex happens but in reality nothing is actually happening to real live person. Would this still be considered taboo does anyone know? Also if there are any similar suggestions out there please weigh in.

It's a very simple Rule: All parties must be over 18 years old.

There's no wiggle room, and this ain't a Courtroom with devious Lawyers.
There's a view that has it that there may be Somewhere in the world where under 18 is legal, but you can't take the risk.
It's a private site and its' her rules.
Got it ?
OK.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Rape is acceptable if both parties end up enjoying it, and it is also perfectly acceptable as role-playing. There are other times too. Here is a story that might seem to be about rape, but the plot twist at the end makes it okay. https://www.literotica.com/s/the-last-piece-of-ass