Legal Prostitution

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The story says legalize and tax prostitution. However, the real concern is to tax prostitution. You can already have a hooker in your room in any of the large Las Vegas casinos. Now, the state wants to take girls off the street and put them in brothels, wnere they and the customers are safe. Sounds like a plan to me. Comment?

Nev. Mulls Brothels for Vegas, Reno to Fill Coffers

Nevada officials may consider proposals to legalize and tax prostitution in Las Vegas, Reno, and other areas of the state where it is illegal.

State Sen. Bob Coffin, D-Las Vegas, an insurance broker and book dealer who heads the Senate Taxation Committee, and others in the Legislature are mulling the possibility to bolster state coffers during a time of severe revenue shortfalls.

Prostitution is legal in many of Nevada’s rural counties, but state law prohibits it in larger urban areas, such as Las Vegas and Reno, and counties with populations in excess of 400,000.

“The most naive person on the planet would believe there’s no prostitution going on in the urban areas,” Coffin told the Associated Press. “It’s going on now unregulated and unsafe. I think it’s an idea worth entertaining.”

Coffin said he has not decided whether he would support the legalization and control of the sex industry in urban areas, but with gambling revenue down sharply throughout the state, legalizing and taxing brothels in urban areas could help Nevada’s foundering economy.

“I’d be happy to listen to arguments for legalization anytime,” Coffin told the Los Angeles Times. “In the meantime, I know we have to get some money from the world’s oldest profession.”

Coffin has the support of Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman, who would like to use the added tax revenue to redevelop the downtown. Goodman would like to have an open debate on legalizing the sex industry in Las Vegas, saying, “I’ve always said there should be a serious discussion. People assume it’s legal anyhow.”

Officials behind the proposal say an added benefit of legalizing prostitution is that it would help protect sex workers. But government regulation of the sex industry rankles many of the locals, who say they don’t want their communities loaded down with brothels.

"I think it's an appalling way for a state to make money," Melissa Farley, the executive director of the nonprofit Prostitution Research and Education group in San Francisco, told the Times. "Once there's an awareness of what prostitution does to women, it makes no sense to allow it, to tax it, to decriminalize it or mainstream it."

In response to such criticism, Coffin said, "When you're talking about cutting funding for the mentally ill and increasing class sizes for little kids, and someone tells me they don't want to tax prostitution, I'm going to call them a hypocrite to their face."
 
Any time the government gets involved bet on the competition vanishing and the prices going up.
 
A 'purist', in terms of defining human individual rights, would be pressed to justify state control over any human action in terms of pleasure. Thus one can rationally question the States banning of any drug or activity that is consensually agreed to between adults.

This idea never seems to take root, even for discussion, as, it seems, even the progressive left desires to control guns and hard drugs regardless of the essence of the argument.

amicus...
 
The story says legalize and tax prostitution. However, the real concern is to tax prostitution. You can already have a hooker in your room in any of the large Las Vegas casinos. Now, the state wants to take girls off the street and put them in brothels, wnere they and the customers are safe. Sounds like a plan to me. Comment?

Nev. Mulls Brothels for Vegas, Reno to Fill Coffers

Nevada officials may consider proposals to legalize and tax prostitution in Las Vegas, Reno, and other areas of the state where it is illegal.

State Sen. Bob Coffin, D-Las Vegas, an insurance broker and book dealer who heads the Senate Taxation Committee, and others in the Legislature are mulling the possibility to bolster state coffers during a time of severe revenue shortfalls.

Prostitution is legal in many of Nevada’s rural counties, but state law prohibits it in larger urban areas, such as Las Vegas and Reno, and counties with populations in excess of 400,000.

“The most naive person on the planet would believe there’s no prostitution going on in the urban areas,” Coffin told the Associated Press. “It’s going on now unregulated and unsafe. I think it’s an idea worth entertaining.”

Coffin said he has not decided whether he would support the legalization and control of the sex industry in urban areas, but with gambling revenue down sharply throughout the state, legalizing and taxing brothels in urban areas could help Nevada’s foundering economy.

“I’d be happy to listen to arguments for legalization anytime,” Coffin told the Los Angeles Times. “In the meantime, I know we have to get some money from the world’s oldest profession.”

Coffin has the support of Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman, who would like to use the added tax revenue to redevelop the downtown. Goodman would like to have an open debate on legalizing the sex industry in Las Vegas, saying, “I’ve always said there should be a serious discussion. People assume it’s legal anyhow.”

Officials behind the proposal say an added benefit of legalizing prostitution is that it would help protect sex workers. But government regulation of the sex industry rankles many of the locals, who say they don’t want their communities loaded down with brothels.

"I think it's an appalling way for a state to make money," Melissa Farley, the executive director of the nonprofit Prostitution Research and Education group in San Francisco, told the Times. "Once there's an awareness of what prostitution does to women, it makes no sense to allow it, to tax it, to decriminalize it or mainstream it."

In response to such criticism, Coffin said, "When you're talking about cutting funding for the mentally ill and increasing class sizes for little kids, and someone tells me they don't want to tax prostitution, I'm going to call them a hypocrite to their face."

Working girls work just like you and me. Why shouldn't they pay taxes?
 
Works reasonably well in many parts of Europe, like the UK, Spain, or Austria. The legal status of many prostitute are freelance consultants. They're regarded as individual businesses, and pay taxes like any other plumber or dentist or personal assistant or whatever. Due to the anonymity of the job, there's also a whole lot of prostitutes that don't register their businessess and don't pay taxes. Also a lot of foreign "exchange students" who don't have a work permit. But all in all, it's a much saner and safer situation than a total ban.
 
By the way, did anyone hear about the "Prostitution Free Zone" during the inarguration?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2009/01/welcome_to_inauguration_island.html?hpid=topnews

Does that mean that it's was fine to pick up a hooker outside on the zone? :confused:

That's funny. About as effective as a "Gun Free Zone". I imagine it's nothing more than the police trying to make themselves look good and appear to crack down on the naughty things for such an auspicious event.

Morons.
 
I miss the Lady of the Night who was a paid-up member of our Chamber of Commerce.

She didn't offer discounts to other members of the Chamber. :rolleyes:

Og (Chamber Vice-President)
 
Working girls work just like you and me. Why shouldn't they pay taxes?

My understanding of the situation in England is that the earnings of a prostitue were considered 'the wages of sin.' The government didn't want any part of that. I suspect that the same attitude may prevail in other places.
 
By the way, did anyone hear about the "Prostitution Free Zone" during the inarguration?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2009/01/welcome_to_inauguration_island.html?hpid=topnews

Does that mean that it's was fine to pick up a hooker outside on the zone? :confused:

I take it that you have never been to D.C. In the center city area there are entire blocks of hookers soliciting from the curb, with no real space between the hookers. I mean both sides of the street.

That sort of display wouldn't go too well for national T.V.
 
i don't think so.

i don't think it's going to happen. obviously prostitution is thriving in Las Vegas and Reno. perhaps even a number of these sex workers FAVORS the laws against the sex trade (they can charge more).

the effects of legalization would be to divert funds from organzied crime to the state, which is nominally distinct. ain't gonna happen.
 

Dayum, from the thread title, I figured this thread HAD TO BE about stockbrokers.

 
stockbrokers

with these folks it's more a matter of legalized fraud and theft. with hoes you get fucked, really, not just figuratively.
 
with these folks it's more a matter of legalized fraud and theft. with hoes you get fucked, really, not just figuratively.

That's the headline stuff. The real crime is that 98% of the stockjobbers, the mutual funds and the "financial advisers" are salespeople. Rather than provide investment expertise, they're really in the game of figuring out what it is that the sheep think they want; only then, do they sell dreams and shoddy goods. The sheep, of course, have no way of knowing.

It's never been a good idea to mix salespeople and money.


 
i don't think it's going to happen. obviously prostitution is thriving in Las Vegas and Reno. perhaps even a number of these sex workers FAVORS the laws against the sex trade (they can charge more).

the effects of legalization would be to divert funds from organzied crime to the state, which is nominally distinct. ain't gonna happen.

In both cities there are women who work the streets. They're, so I'm told, mostly women who came to the big city and then 'lost their ass,' almost figuratively. The 'going rate' at the legal brothels starts at $300, although it's possible to do a bit of bargaining, as the girls are independent contractors. Sometimes porn stars work work the brothels [if you have to ask, you can't afford it.]

The girls that the Las Vegas casinos use are top of the line call girl types and really don't compete against steet hookers. Lake Tahoe is pretty much the same. I assume that Reno is much the same, maybe a step down. Some of the brothel girls are hot numbers, particularly in the top of the line places. If you get into eastern Nevada, I have been told that the girls are generally lower priced and for obvious reasons.

In Nevada, you are required to be squeaky clean to run a casino or a brothel. In the old days, the mob did run Las Vegas. No more. The biggest risk for the brothel girls is that the owner goes bankrupt. However, they do have a clean, safe place to work.
 
A clean safe place to practice their craft is better than arriving on some john's rented room threshold and finding out later he is not a nice guy at all!
 
Legalization can only improve the situation for the vast number of sex workers.

The dangers of prostitution --- STDs, beatings, rape, drug addiction, death -- are greatly increased by the illegal nature of sex work. If sex work were legalized and legitimized there would be a huge drop off in the crimes associated with it --- including victimization of prostitutes.

I have a feeling that the vast majority of sex workers would prefer to make more money and live safer less marginalized lives. 20% to Uncle Sam or 60% to a pimp?
 
It's my understanding the current Nevada set-up is a result of the "gaming industry" wanting a "clean" environment that would attract families. If prostitution is legalized throughout the state, instead of just in rural counties, the added taxes would have to off-set any potential loss of revenue due to a drop in family visits.

In other words, common sense and morality won't have nuttin' to do with the final decision.

Rumple Foreskin :cool:
 
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My understanding of the situation in England is that the earnings of a prostitue were considered 'the wages of sin.' The government didn't want any part of that. I suspect that the same attitude may prevail in other places.

In England it is legal to be a prostitute and earn money by selling your body, and yes you can pay taxes on your declared earnings.

It is illegal for anyone else to profit from your body so pimps are illegal as are landlords where more than one prostitute works.

Og
 
It is illegal for anyone else to profit from your body so pimps are illegal as are landlords where more than one prostitute works.
How does that work? If you're a landlord with a house of a number of flats, do you have to make sure that only one of your tenants is a freelancing orgasmatron?
 
How does that work? If you're a landlord with a house of a number of flats, do you have to make sure that only one of your tenants is a freelancing orgasmatron?

Yes. Otherwise you can be convicted of running a brothel.

Usually the tenancy agreement specifies that the let is for residential purposes only so the hooker(s) would be breaking her(their) tenancy agreement and can be evicted - eventually.

Og

Edited for PS: Renting rooms by the hour, and renting rooms at more per day than most flats cost per week might be a clue that you, the landlord, knows what is going on.
 
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Yes. Otherwise you can be convicted of running a brothel.
That sounds like an ass backwards definition of 'brothel'.

Or am I thinking of 'bordello'?

Is there a difference?

Huh, I'm clearly not down with the trade lingo. :rolleyes:
 
That sounds like an ass backwards definition of 'brothel'.

Or am I thinking of 'bordello'?

Is there a difference?

Huh, I'm clearly not down with the trade lingo. :rolleyes:

In English Law a brothel is a place where three or more prostitutes work - and is illegal.

Bordello and Whorehouse are synoyms for brothel.

Someone in Google Maps has a sense of humour. If you search for "nearest brothel" in Central Kent, UK, it produces the Kent Constabulary HQ and a local Estate Agent (Realtor).

Og
 
The problem with a brothel, under English law, is that realistically, someone has to run the brothel. Then you get into living off the earnings of a prostitute.

I someone tries to run a butcher shop out of their home/flat/motel room, the law won't allow it. Yet they more or less force a prostitute into a situation that they wouldn't accept for any other business.

The real problem is that an 18-year old girl, servicing five customers a day at $100 USD per each , working 25 days a month, makes some $75K USD per year. There are not a lot of jobs where an 18-year-old girl can make that kind of money. The authorities don't want a lot of 18-year-old girls becoming prostitutes.
 
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