Laurel and kbate demand: Who is the "Left" you rw-ers keep referring to...?

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We all know, but the charge here is to make it sound like you are a conspiracy theorist, like the Masons, the Bilderburgers, New World Order, Truthers, Birthers, Warmers, Rosicrucians, etc., for this quickly dispatches you as a nut-job, so let us deal with that charge as easily as it is shallow and specious.

As Machiavelli would have it, a conspiracy is a group of malcontents each with the power, by exposure, to be contented. Therefore, the Left is not some shallow conspiracy.

Let us follow the line of Eric Hoffer. In early civilization, you had the god-king, a hereditary title based on birth to whom all power was vested. Now Pharaoh was not always top-drawer in the thinking department, and even if he was, the kingdom was vast, large, and people being people, unevolved in a few short centuries, complex. So there was a small group of priests and scholars in which all education was vested, they were the guardians of god, counting, writing and record keeping as well as serving as advisors. As long as we had kings, castes, or Oligarchy, they were the guardians of knowledge, culture and societal order (and trust me, religion was a valuable tool to them as the disseminated superstition to the unwashed masses).

Unfortunately for them, the enlightenment and the great Christian thinkers produced Liberalism (which is not what we call Liberalism today as it was redefined by the Left to include them so they could again regain their former position) and Liberalism was a merit-based system in which Education and Culture was not as much a factor as was providing the people with the goods and services they desired.

This meant that the former controllers, the visible guiding hands of Society and Economy were left outside of the halls of power and various forms of Democracy and Republic put men into government from the ranks of the meritorious who sprang from the unwashed, uneducated (culturally) masses. The Scribe Class was reduced to cloistered academics in the various Universities.

Of course, they did not take this sitting down and worked on the meritorious of the day, subtly with honey and with the ability to make them feel a little inferior for not being "cultured." So gradually they fought to expand the Universities, to make themselves relevant, to once again seek the side of the Sun-God. They used guilt, they used appeals to false authority, and they used the insecurity of the newly wealthy and went to work on their children to convince them that the University was their birthright and they are still working this pattern today, not as a planned conspiracy, but a collective unconscious drive to rule once again, for they have studied and are truly more meritorious than the simple inventors of do-dads and gadgets for the masses.

So we see the Left is the elite intelligentsia, those educators wanting to join their ranks, the children that are enthralled with them, the reporter who wants to prove how erudite he is, the actress who wants to demonstrate how culturally hip she is, the voter who imagines that secretly, unlike his fellows in the ranks of the unwashed masses, is one of the educated because he reads a lot, a whole lot.

But what the academic has not provided for these people in a foundational philosophy having chosen the ideals of Plato and the followers Nietzsche and Kant and the road to Relativism and that leaves the follower of the Scribes plastic, wavering in the wind willing to believe in anything at any time and fight for any cause without regard to its merit.

So that is who the Left is. A class frustrated by its loss of power using the magic bromide of "Education" to get blind and adoring followers to subject themselves to indoctrination in the hopes of redemption; a call to heaven, an altruistic cause, equality of outcome, fairness, a return to the primitive, a return to Eden.
 
"...Unfortunately for them, the enlightenment and the great Christian thinkers produced Liberalism (which is not what we call Liberalism today as it was redefined by the Left to include them so they could again regain their former position) ..."

A bunch of priests, intellectuals, scribes and writers. So now you have to come up with some distinction between the good scribes and the bad ones.
 
"...Unfortunately for them, the enlightenment and the great Christian thinkers produced Liberalism (which is not what we call Liberalism today as it was redefined by the Left to include them so they could again regain their former position) ..."

A bunch of priests, intellectuals, scribes and writers. So now you have to come up with some distinction between the good scribes and the bad ones.

No. I only have to point out the resultant class of economic Libertarians...

Liberal being one of those words the Left contorted so badly that they had to begin referring to themselves as progressives after turning Liberal into the equivalent of "Socialist."
 
AJ is the one who decides what liberals believe. Disagree with him and you're on iggy. This is what he calls rational debate.
 
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Funny some of the things I find online, and then 2 seconds later I find a place where it fits.


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Liberal being one of those words the Left contorted so badly that they had to begin referring to themselves as progressives after turning Liberal into the equivalent of "Socialist."

Are you sure the PW media circuit's blitz on the word 'liberal', equating it with Stalinism and Nazism didn't play a part in contorting it?

You're a birther who believes Democrats are Nazis. Tell us again how you believe Obamacare is like herding Jews into box cars.
 
No. I only have to point out the resultant class of economic Libertarians...

Liberal being one of those words the Left contorted so badly that they had to begin referring to themselves as progressives after turning Liberal into the equivalent of "Socialist."

The battle between progressives and libertarians is a sibling spat within Liberalism, since they all accept the basic premises. By associating technocratic progressives & academics with the pre-Reformation priesthood you're attempting to define them out of Liberalism entirely and tie them with traditional, authoritarian throne-and-altar conservatism. I guess this isn't a bizarre move historically speaking, since the American popular right was always anti-Catholic and anti-Crown.
 
Clarice Feldman:

Kathy Boudin, a professor at Columbia University, was named the 2013 Sheinberg Scholar-in-Residence at NYU Law School. In 1984, Boudin, a member of the Weather Underground, a violent, oafish association of upper-class "revolutionaries," pled guilty to second-degree murder in association with the infamous 1981 Brinks armored car robbery in Nyack, New York. Babbling in the language of anti-racism and anti-imperialism, Boudin assisted in ending the life of three people, including Waverly Brown, the first black police officer on the Nyack police force, and left nine children fatherless. She was sentenced to 20 years to life in prison. In 2003, Boudin was released; by 2008 she had landed a coveted teaching position at an Ivy League university.

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The most famous Weather Underground bombers-cum-professors are, of course, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (also a former Sheinberg Scholar-in-Residence at NYU, which must consider bomb-making skills when making its selection), whose infantile politics and tenure on the FBI's Most Wanted List never dented the confidence of the University of Illinois or Northwestern University.

[snip]

The goal was to blind, maim, and kill.

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According to Jamison, "two credible eyewitnesses-both former left-wing radicals tied to the Weathermen-gave detailed statements to investigators in the 1970s alleging that Dohrn and Howard Machtinger, another member of the group, were personally involved in organizing the deadly attack."

[snip]

It might not surprise you that, before retiring, Machtinger was a professor at North Carolina Central University and Teaching Fellows Director at University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill's School of Education.

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Or take former Black Panther party grandee Ericka Huggins, who is now a professor of women's studies at California State University, a professor of sociology at Laney and Berkeley City College, and, according to one official biography, a "human rights activist." In 2011, students at the University of Kentucky could receive extra credit for attending a lecture by Huggins, described as a "political prisoner and human rights activist." It does not seem to bother these universities that in 1970 Huggins was brought to trial on charges of "aiding and abetting" the murder of Alex Rackley, a fellow Panther they wrongly believed to be a police informant. She was acquitted.

But a few salient facts aren't disputed: After days of "interrogation," Rackley was brutally tortured-beaten mercilessly, boiling water poured on his naked body-and left to marinate in his own blood, urine, and feces. As a warning to other "traitors," one torture session was audiotaped. In the scratchy recording recovered by police, Huggins can be heard recalling when she "began to realize how phony [Rackley] was and that he was either an extreme fool or a pig, so we began to ask questions with a little force and the answers came out after a few buckets of hot water." During the session, Rackley was tied to his chair with a gun pointed at him. As he shifted nervously, Huggins snapped, "Sit down motherfucker. Keep still." (A copy of the tape was recently discovered in a Connecticut house and can be listened to here).

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Warren Kimbro shot Alex Rackley in the head. He later confessed to the murder and was sentenced to life in prison, but only served four years. By 1975, he was an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State University.

After years on the run, having been indicted for her involvement in the Brinks robbery and murder in Nyack, Weather Underground member Susan Rosenberg was caught in 1985 moving "740 pounds of dynamite and weapons, including a submachine gun," according to The New York Times, from her car into a storage locker. After 16 years in prison, her sentence was commuted by President Bill Clinton and, not long after, the self-identified "human rights activist" took a position teaching at John Jay College. After her contract wasn't renewed, she found a perch at Hamilton College, though furious opposition by some faculty members forced the administration to withdraw the offer. But no hard feelings from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice Interdisciplinary Studies Program, which in 2011 invited students "to a celebration of Susan Rosenberg" upon the release of her memoir.

Former Weather Underground member Eleanor Raskin, who fled after being indicted for bomb making in the 1970s, is an associate professor at Albany Law School. In 1981, Raskin and her husband were arrested in connection with an explosives cache uncovered two years earlier by New Jersey police (her husband was placed on probation; the charges against Raskin were dropped). After years in hiding, Mark Rudd, a Weather leader who also fled indictment and went "underground," turned himself in 1977 and was sentenced to two years' probation. He later taught at Central New Mexico Community College.

When they aren't hiring leftist criminals to teach your children, they are hiring and promoting charlatans like Elizabeth Warren, who lied about her Indian heritage and fudged her academic research to get a plum job at Harvard Law School from which she launched her campaign for the U.S. Senate. Or another fake Indian and leftist plagiarist, Ward Churchill.

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BUT! they want to take your guns away... ;) ;)
 
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The battle between progressives and libertarians is a sibling spat within Liberalism, since they all accept the basic premises. By associating technocratic progressives & academics with the pre-Reformation priesthood you're attempting to define them out of Liberalism entirely and tie them with traditional, authoritarian throne-and-altar conservatism. I guess this isn't a bizarre move historically speaking, since the American popular right was always anti-Catholic and anti-Crown.

No, that is 100% wrong. Currently Liberalism, the Left, is about guided collective solutions which eschew their founding principle of the individual being guided by the invisible hand.

This is no little spat; this is those who think that in an Oligarchy they are going to end up at the top and those who realize that an Oligarchy means most everybody ends up on the bottom...
 
Are you sure the PW media circuit's blitz on the word 'liberal', equating it with Stalinism and Nazism didn't play a part in contorting it?

You're a birther who believes Democrats are Nazis. Tell us again how you believe Obamacare is like herding Jews into box cars.

We went through a big phase of debating Nazis on this board a couple of years ago. Lately I've been following the english language blog of the Golden Dawn Party in Greece. It's pretty educational with regards to that debate to see what an actual neo-Nazi party coming to power sounds like.
 
We went through a big phase of debating Nazis on this board a couple of years ago. Lately I've been following the english language blog of the Golden Dawn Party in Greece. It's pretty educational with regards to that debate to see what an actual neo-Nazi party coming to power sounds like.

That quote in your post pretty much makes everything I said in the parent thread to this true...

Nothing cogent, just attack, attack, always attack...

It takes no thought at all.
 
No, that is 100% wrong. Currently Liberalism, the Left, is about guided collective solutions which eschew their founding principle of the individual being guided by the invisible hand.

This is no little spat; this is those who think that in an Oligarchy they are going to end up at the top and those who realize that an Oligarchy means most everybody ends up on the bottom...


One aspect of the Left is formulating solutions to the negative aspects of capitalism. Extreme wealth inequality, inequality of opportunity in education and the workplace, inability to access health care, inability of those of lesser means to survive (ie the elderly). Liberal or progressive, the difference here is minute compared to the chasm on the right.
 
Gee merc...



Still haven't proven my point? Throb ought to be around in a few minutes to add the CAPS and EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!! along with the racial and incest lines aimed at my daughter.

Liberals are truly class acts...
 
In this week's Wall Street Journal, David Feith details the tale of another person who, like me, was fed up with academia and was shutting his wallet. In this case it was the philanthropist Thomas Klingenstein from whom Bowdoin's college President Barry Mills had been trying to coax a contribution. Turned down, Mills had implied that Klingenstein was a racist and that had occasioned the refusal. Klingenstein instead commissioned an independent study and this is Feith's summary of what it found:
[T]he report demonstrates how Bowdoin has become an intellectual monoculture dedicated above all to identity politics.

The school's ideological pillars would likely be familiar to anyone who has paid attention to American higher education lately. There's the obsession with race, class, gender and sexuality as the essential forces of history and markers of political identity. There's the dedication to "sustainability," or saving the planet from its imminent destruction by the forces of capitalism. And there are the paeans to "global citizenship," or loving all countries except one's own.

The Klingenstein report nicely captures the illiberal or fallacious aspects of this campus doctrine, but the paper's true contribution is in recording some of its absurd manifestations at Bowdoin. For example, the college has "no curricular requirements that center on the American founding or the history of the nation." Even history majors aren't required to take a single course in American history. In the History Department, no course is devoted to American political, military, diplomatic or intellectual history -- the only ones available are organized around some aspect of race, class, gender or sexuality.

One of the few requirements is that Bowdoin students take a yearlong freshman seminar. Some of the 37 seminars offered this year: "Affirmative Action and U.S. Society," "Fictions of Freedom," "Racism," "Queer Gardens" (which "examines the work of gay and lesbian gardeners and traces how marginal identities find expression in specific garden spaces"), "Sexual Life of Colonialism" and "Modern Western Prostitutes."

Regarding Bowdoin professors, the report estimates that "four or five out of approximately 182 full-time faculty members might be described as politically conservative." In the 2012 election cycle, 100% of faculty donations went to President Obama. Not that any of this matters if you have ever asked around the faculty lounge.

"A political imbalance [among faculty] was no more significant than having an imbalance between Red Sox and Yankee fans," sniffed Henry C.W. Laurence, a Bowdoin professor of government, in 2004. He added that the suggestion that liberal professors cannot fairly reflect conservative views in classroom discussions is "intellectually bankrupt, professionally insulting and, fortunately, wildly inaccurate."

Perhaps so. But he'd have a stronger case if, for example, his colleague Marc Hetherington hadn't written the same year in Bowdoin's newspaper that liberal professors outnumber conservatives because conservatives don't "place the same emphasis on the accumulation of knowledge that liberals do."
Clarice Feldman
 
That quote in your post pretty much makes everything I said in the parent thread to this true...

Nothing cogent, just attack, attack, always attack...

It takes no thought at all.

I didn't attack Mr. Defensive, I mentioned the fact that the RW media circuit has battered the term 'liberal' by equating it to Stalinism, lazyness, stealing other people's money, black people stealing your stuff, and Nazism. You did not and cannot deny it with your own facts so you called my comment "not cogent" - even though it was perfectly cogent.

You'd sound more intelligent if you countered my facts with some of your own.
 
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