Latest Pew poll: Republican ID crisis

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Excerpts from an article by: Kevin Drum of the Washington Monthly

Less people than ever before are identifying themselves as "Republican". What was a dead heat between Democratic and Republicans at ~43% in 2002 has become a 50% to 35% deficit for the Republican party. This obviously happened on George Bush's watch. He's the least liked president among moderates and young people in over a generation. But the survey also shows something more fundamental: a loss of sympathy for conservative positions, a trend that began well before George Bush ever set foot in the Oval Office.

Beginning in the early 90s the Republican Party hitched its wagon to two things: tax cuts and culture war politics. In the short term this worked nicely: people like low taxes and talk radio was pretty successful at keeping cultural conservatives in a constant state of inchoate outrage. George Bush and Karl Rove were this strategy's ultimate practitioners, and the attacks of 9/11, which they treated as a culture war issue, kept the GOP successful through the first part of this decade.

But in the long term this strategy has been a disaster. Even the wingiest of wingnuts understands that you can't keep cutting taxes forever, and after 2003 the tax cut jihad simply ran out of steam. There were no more taxes to cut. On the culture war side, as the Pew charts confirm, the problem is that America is getting slowly more culturally liberal as time goes by. Partly this is a generational thing and partly it's just a continuation of the same slow march of social tolerance that's been a hallmark of the past half century. Every year there's one or two percent more of the country that doesn't hate gays, doesn't want to ban abortion, and would just as soon see the Ten Commandments stay in church.

Both of these trends are only going to get worse for the GOP. As entitlement benefits grow, taxes are going to have to go up. Everyone knows there's no way around this, and insisting otherwise will increasingly mark you as a fringe crackpot. Likewise, as culture war issues slowly become the province of a dwindling band of senior citizens and dead-end homophobes, arguing about gays in the military will seem about as relevant as attacking the tin trust.

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MechaBlade said:
the bad thing about these graphs at the bottom is they look at changes from '94, when we should focus on changes from '99 and '00.

'94 is actually a good starting point, that was the year of the "Republican Revolution" headed by Gingrich when Republicans took over control of the Congress.. Since that point it's been a downhill spiral for the GOP.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
'06 is actually a good starting point.. Since that point it's been a downhill spiral for the GOP.

fixed that for you.
 
vetteman said:
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<listening to the fevered breathing and incessant tub thumping>


How long do you figure it will take to break everyone to the goose step?

Ah yes, the vaunted "We don't believe in polls unless we agree with the outcome" point of view. With the requisite "I can't argue with the facts so I'll post pictures" retaliatory over-the-bow. :rolleyes:

How are things in never-never-land this time of year? Still getting a stiff cool breeze from DeNile?
 
LillyO said:
Oh good lord, do you actually believe communism is on the march?

He's bought into Ishmael's "red scare" lock, stock, and sinking garbage scow. Anything left of Mussolini is communist.
 
vetteman said:
Hey anything left of Mussolini would be a communist; and I'm senior to Ish so I'va probably had this enightened notion longer than he has. :D

You should really read up on the history of Fascism. Mussolini was about as anti anything but far, FAR Right as one can get.

I won't attempt to describe how I can compare his political ideology and your predilection toward calling anything that isn't far right communistic.

Suffice to say that he said much the same thing about anyone who disagreed with him as you do.

My sense of humor disappeared right about the time the NSA started wiretapping American citizens without court approval. Blame Bush.
 
vetteman said:
It's you who needs to read up on Mussolini, don't forget, and I'm being real generous here, he edited Avanti Italy's leading Socialist Magazine.

So it's your assertion that Mussolini wasn't a fascist dictator that sided with his buddy Hitler in WWII?

Mussolini turned squarely away from Socialism and dragged Italy into Fascism shortly after WWI (around 1922). By the time he wielded any real power in Italy he was by every definition the Leader of the Fascist party of Italy a decade before Hitler came to power in Germany. He transformed Italy into a police state completely and formed a totalitarian government with himself as Duce (Supreme Leader).

In his early life he called himself a socialist, but that was a distant memory by the time he rose to power in Italy. You speak as if he were a devout socialist and communist, which is easily disproved. One has only to read a history book.
 
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Lost Cause said:
So do the exact thing you claim others do is correct?

Can you say, "argumentum ad hominem?" :nana:

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Was that first sentence supposed to make anything resembling sense?

Show a poll that I've disputed that wasn't proved to be slanted so hard that the lines were screaming for mercy. I can think of exactly ONE poll in the last year that has been embraced by the Righties on Lit and that was shown to have been built using leading questions to achieve exactly the results that were wanted.

Every other poll by reputable sources was so drastically against them that "we don't listen to polls" became the mantra and still is.
 
We're winning

There's been a lot of evidence recently that the Bush administration is causing (or perhaps amplifying) an ideological shift among the American public away from Reagan/Gingrich conservatism, towards something resembling social democracy. That might be a touch pollyanna, but checking out the latest data from the massive Pew survey released last week.

Some of the most important data points: a sharp decline in the percentage of voters identifying themselves as Republicans, a significant increase in the percentage of people who think "government should help the needy even if it means greater debt," and similar decline in the percentage of people who think "school boards should have the right to fire homosexual teachers."

In other words the populace is getting a) more socially liberal b) more economically progressive c) more identified with the Democratic party.

I love the smell of Democracy in the morning. I'm afraid we do owe the Bush administration a big thank you for hastening the downfall of the GOP. They have unwittingly been our greatest ally.
 
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