Latest Outrage Against Civil Liberties

[REDWAVE]

On top of the growing repression and unmistakable drive toward an outright police state currently taking place in AmeriKKKa, the rounding up and holding without charges of nearly a thousand "terrorist suspects," the denial of POW status (in flagrant violation of international law) to the "detainees" at the concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, now comes news of the latest outrage against civil liberties. Today's New York Times reports the apprehension of one Abdullah Al-Mujahir, accused of plotting to set off a "dirty bomb." However, Paul Wolfowitz (probably the biggest hawk in the Bush regime) admitted "there was not an actual plan." Also, there was no specific target. So far, Al-Mujahir's only crime appears to be that he flew to the U.S. from Pakistan-- a heinous offense in Bush's Orwellian world, in which war is peace, truth is a lie, and freedom is slavery. Despite the fact that he is a civilian (and U.S. citizen) and thus totally outside military jurisdiction, Al-Mujahir was transferred to "Defense" (if accurately named, it would be called "Dept. of Aggression") Dept. custody as an "enemy combatant." He is being held at a Navy center in Charleston, S.C., where we can only guess what barbaric tortures he is being subjected to. The plan is to try him before one of the new military tribunals, where he can be railroaded without the slightest semblance of due process. This is an enormous outrage and violation of civil liberties, which anyone who cares about freedom should vociferously protest against. If Al-Mujahir, an American citizen, can be blatantly denied due process in this manner, none of us are safe from arbitrary arrest and persecution by the illegitimate Bush regime, which is already well along the way to establishing a total police state. Anyone who prattles about AmeriKKKa being the "land of the free" is clearly not in touch with reality. The truth is, the U.S. has never been free. It has always been at best an oligarchy of the rich, with a few of the trappings and window dressings of democracy to gull the simple Simons into believing they are free, the better to enslave them. Now, however, it is degenerating into an openly fascist police state.

Stop the police state drive! Free Abdullah Al-Mujahir!

 

[miles]

Take your Thorazine.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

What I hear when REDWAVE talks...

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[Camille]

Well I agree sort of

I do not want him free I want him deported! I agree with almost everything that you said Redwave. But we need to live in the real world. America has never been utopia. Ask the Indians, or the blacks or just about any people of color. We use and ground people to our needs. We are still the best thing going overall, because we chase an ideal of freedom and democracy.

We have let our fear bloat the heads, egos and hubris of our politicians. Along the way they bend and ignore the constitution. For the first time I can remember I am uncomfortable with our government as a whole. I can honestly say the Bush presidency is the worst and scariest in Americas history at least the 30 plus years I have seen.

Question everything and don’t let em fuck the constitution, it may seem like a good idea at the time. Until they are knocking on your door.

Now calm down and lead a rally. I'm afraid you're gonna have a heart attack.

Cam

 

[mig]

One man's Civil Liberties is someone elses oppression.

 

[REDWAVE]

Camille

Thanks for your comments, Camille. Besides the usual stupid crap (as exemplified by miles & DCL), I do occasionally get an intelligent reply. Yes, Bush & Co. are really scary, and fundamentally different from any previous Administration. Even Nixon didn't go this far-- he didn't dare under the very different social and political climate which prevailed then.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Oh blubow mube. Being cranky isn't the same thing as incisive. You have 2 facts out of 114 and you're willing to make enormous conclusions based on nothing. You have a knee-jerk, agenda-laden reaction to everything, and the depth of a thimble. You're shrill and soapboxy. What you're not is revolutionary.

You're a bore.

 

[Marxist]

On top of the growing repression and unmistakable drive toward an outright police state currently taking place in AmeriKKKa, the rounding up and holding without charges of nearly a thousand "terrorist suspects," the denial of POW status (in flagrant violation of international law) to the "detainees" at the concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, now comes news of the latest outrage against civil liberties. Today's New York Times reports the apprehension of one Abdullah Al-Mujahir, accused of plotting to set off a "dirty bomb." However, Paul Wolfowitz (probably the biggest hawk in the Bush regime) admitted "there was not an actual plan." Also, there was no specific target. So far, Al-Mujahir's only crime appears to be that he flew to the U.S. from Pakistan-- a heinous offense in Bush's Orwellian world, in which war is peace, truth is a lie, and freedom is slavery. Despite the fact that he is a civilian (and U.S. citizen) and thus totally outside military jurisdiction, Al-Mujahir was transferred to "Defense" (if accurately named, it would be called "Dept. of Aggression") Dept. custody as an "enemy combatant." He is being held at a Navy center in Charleston, S.C., where we can only guess what barbaric tortures he is being subjected to. The plan is to try him before one of the new military tribunals, where he can be railroaded without the slightest semblance of due process. This is an enormous outrage and violation of civil liberties, which anyone who cares about freedom should vociferously protest against. If Al-Mujahir, an American citizen, can be blatantly denied due process in this manner, none of us are safe from arbitrary arrest and persecution by the illegitimate Bush regime, which is already well along the way to establishing a total police state. Anyone who prattles about AmeriKKKa being the "land of the free" is clearly not in touch with reality. The truth is, the U.S. has never been free. It has always been at best an oligarchy of the rich, with a few of the trappings and window dressings of democracy to gull the simple Simons into believing they are free, the better to enslave them. Now, however, it is degenerating into an openly fascist police state.

Stop the police state drive! Free Abdullah Al-Mujahir!

Well Red, I can't agree or disagree this soon but I sure hope this plays out in the courts. I really want to see what evidence the Bushies pull out their ass on this guy.

Can he even get a fair trial? I seriously doubt it.

 

[SINthysist]

He'll get a decent trial and then he'll get a decent hangin'...

Calm down and use paragraphs.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Re: What I hear when REDWAVE talks...

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Damn DCL, you beat me to it - I was going to say yada, yada, etc., but your reply was much more eloquent.

RW, the problem with your posts is that even though every once in a blue moon you actually make a valid point, it is so surrounded with anti-US hype that it sounds like it was meant to incite the already converted, and that is both boring and comical at the same time.

I used to engage such people, but I found that generally they were irrational and that it was just a total waste of my time. This is why I don't reply to most of ppman's posts/threads, as he is just over the line as to being boring and not a challenge, whereas you have fallen off the edge of the world.

If you would drop the hype and vitriol and argue your point of view with some well reasoned statements and evidence, you might find more people would gladly engage you. I am no fan of Bush or what is happening in the name of "security", but then I suspect your real motivation is not so much your concern about the issues involved, so much as your delight in finding another issue you can bludgeon us with.

In short, like ppman, you are just too fucking lazy to come up with an interesting post/argument. When people don't respond or roll their eyes, then you typically say "see? I was right! no one can dispute my facts" I am sure it would not come as any great surprise to you or anyone else that the real reason they don't respond is because you are boring and it would be a waste of time. What might surprise you is that you aren't fooling anybody with your tactics and they see through your posts like the stream of clear piss they are.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Exactly. When these angry-young-men-with-blinders-on rant they always mistake the ridicule of their spurious arguments and conclusions for an unwillingness to discuss the topic. It never occurs to them that we just have no interest in discussing the topic with someone who thinks the world is run by Proctor and Gamble.

 

[bluespoke]

I am amused that

1 someone wants to deport an American citizen from his own country.

and

2 REDWAVE, supposedly a lawyer, doesn't know there is case law to support the detention.

 

[REDWAVE]

Thoughts at large

DCL, if I'm such a bore, then why are you so quick to read and reply to my threads? You must really enjoy being bored, lol. Yes, I have an overall agenda-- worldwide socialist revolution-- but my main point in this thread is that since Al-Mujahir is a civilian, there is absolutely no legal or constitutional justification for holding him without charges, without access to a lawyer, with no protection against self-incrimination, and no right to any semblance of a fair trial-- only a drumbeat military tribunal, where the outcome is pre-ordained (as SINthysist noted). And there aren't even any active hostilities going on right now, for cryin' out loud-- this war has become a "phony war," somewhat reminiscent of the "Sitzkrieg" period of WWII, from Oct. '39 to about June '40. But the Sitzkrieg turned into Blitzkrieg!

Marxist, from the statements by Wolfowitz, there sure seems to be a lack of specifics. Also, the Bushies' whole modus operandi so far has been to make and repeat allegations without proof, which the corporate media then parrots-- the Hitlerian "Big Lie" technique. Again, my main point is there is no valid basis for transferring him to military custody, and he definitely will not get a fair trial from a military tribunal. Whether he would get a fair trial in federal court is another question, but at least there's a chance there.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

DCL, if I'm such a bore, then why are you so quick to read and reply to my threads? You must really enjoy being bored, lol.

You laughed out loud at that? Another reason to pastiche you.

 

[CoolidgEffect]

Re: What I hear when REDWAVE talks...

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You watch way too much ZOOM.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I also watch too much Sesame Street, Blue's Clues, and Digimon. I have kids, and they won't believe me when I tell them "Meet the Press" is funny.

 

[CoolidgEffect]

I also watch too much Sesame Street, Blue's Clues, and Digimon. I have kids, and they won't believe me when I tell them "Meet the Press" is funny.

I know exactly what you mean.

 

[bluespoke]

You laughed out loud at that? Another reason to pastiche you.

Hats off to the only man I've seen using pastiche on Lit!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I'm just waiting for him to say something really silly so I can use the word "raillery". I'll turn this place into a goddamned Renaissance Faire.

 

[MissTaken]

After further reading:

He is being detained and his access to a lawyer is likely to be "seriously restricted", not completely denied. He does, however, have an attorney.

Information was given to the government vis a vis interviews with al Quaida leaders who are in custody.

He has trained with al Quaida, in particular with regard to explosives. He meet with al Quaida leadership in 2001 and possibly since 9/11.

He is being held pursuant to Supreme Court rulings which state that a citizen who has gone to the enemy can be detained in such a manner.

Right or wrong? I dunno.

There aren't enough FACTS available to make an informed opinion.

However, he wasn't picked up at the airport because the FBI had nothing better to do after eating their Ceaser salads and having a gin and tonic!

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Damn it, you know REDWAVE can't react to so many facts. Just the first paragraph of the Associated Press copy, please.

 

[MissTaken]

Awww shit!

I can't dazzle him with my reading ability? my brilliance?

Just as I was on a roll!

 

[LukkyKnight]

green with envy...

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[REDWAVE]

Arrogant ignorance

"Pastiche"? Give me a break, DCL-- you don't even know what the word means, having used it incorrectly, and you definitely are not capable of writing a competent one. I love it when people who try to put me down combine ignorance with arrogance, and expose themselves as totally worthless pieces of shit with no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

 

[miles]

Redwave is not boring.

I think Lit is his own litltle crossword puzzle to keep his mind nimble. Armed with copies of Thesaurus for Commies and Fucking Hilarious Rhetoric for Idiots, he works very hard at delivering the goods to us. The guy is hilarious. It's fun to say redwave, shut the fuck up. It fits.