Lance Armstrong forced teammates to dope

[renard_ruse]

Wow, he's more of a scum than was previously thought:

It accuses him of depending on performance-enhancing drugs to fuel his victories and "more ruthlessly, to expect and to require that his teammates" do the same...

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling...tes-testified-case-lance-armstrong-usada-says

 

[renard_ruse]

Its one thing to cheat and harm your own body in the process but to require those you work with to do it on risk of losing their job?

This guy is the lowest debris out there. He's made millions off cycling, what a crud bag.

 

[Cratchit]

cause you believe everything you hear in the media, huh?

 

[XdOu™]

dope = junkies

 

[warrior queen]

Show me the positive test result from a single drug test, and I might begin to believe the team-mates.... who all came second to Lance, btw.

The fact that all the tests have been kept supersecret does not make me want to believe anything.

 

[kbate]

I went ahead and ruled Armstrong off of my farm in case he decides to come ask for permission to hunt or to ride with the foxhounds.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Was that with the candlestick in the library?

 

[kbate]

So now that they have to go to the guy who finished 102nd in order to find a drug free finisher. Can we cancel the TDF?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I enjoy harassing them with truck, horn and finger every year.

 

[kbate]

I hate running through a crowd of bike racers, getting the EPO off of your grill takes special cleaners that are regulated by the EPA and if you use too much the FDA can come in and rule your truck a hazard to pregnant women and TSA can declare it a WMD and send you to Gitmo where HSA will use CIA to grill you forever.

I Blame Obama.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That is why I installed the Dodge Ram bike catcher on my s-10.


It requires an after-market refit, but the contribution to the green 'movement' is well worth the cost and effort...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I also installed a remote-controlled fold-out orange diamond on the grill for construction zones that says:

BE
PREPARED
TO JUMP​

 

[kbate]

That is why I installed the Dodge Ram bike catcher on my s-10.


It requires an after-market refit, but the contribution to the green 'movement' is well worth the cost and effort...

S-10? The bikes can crush you in that thing. I'm talking Ram 2500 with 4 horse gooseneck behind. I instill terror in people who haven't bought their bike yet.

I think I might paint a few Schwinns on the cab door.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

S-10? The bikes can crush you in that thing. I'm talking Ram 2500 with 4 horse gooseneck behind. I instill terror in people who haven't bought their bike yet.

I think I might paint a few Schwinns on the cab door.

Maybe if it was the solid sturdy Schwinn of our Ute...

Hell, the wheels on these new things fold in a stiff breeze...

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Yeah we already visited this topic.

Fact is all these "credible" witnesses are people he beat.

Blood tests ALL were negative except one batch that the chain of custody was compromised. Because it was compromised it cannot be used in a legal proceeding but the commission uses it as corroborating evidence. That is total horse shit. Hmmm wonder who compromised the chain of evidence and what was done to the blood during said compromise.

All these "reliable" witnesses have tested dirty so they get a deal for pointing fingers. What gives them the best leverage in cutting a deal? give them the king.

This investigation is a total farce and a witch hunt to validate Congressional funding so the chief can keep his job.

Lance did the right thing. He told them "FUCK YOU". He knew they have their mind made up. No physical evidence. Just statements by those who got caught and have lost to Lance. All with an ax to grind.

 

[PhilGarlic]

lost to him!!

Yeah we already visited this topic.

Fact is all these "credible" witnesses are people he beat.

Blood tests ALL were negative except one batch that the chain of custody was compromised. Because it was compromised it cannot be used in a legal proceeding but the commission uses it as corroborating evidence. That is total horse shit. Hmmm wonder who compromised the chain of evidence and what was done to the blood during said compromise.

All these "reliable" witnesses have tested dirty so they get a deal for pointing fingers. What gives them the best leverage in cutting a deal? give them the king.

This investigation is a total farce and a witch hunt to validate Congressional funding so the chief can keep his job.

Lance did the right thing. He told them "FUCK YOU". He knew they have their mind made up. No physical evidence. Just statements by those who got caught and have lost to Lance. All with an ax to grind.

A lot of those pointing the finger were team mates, not guys he 'beat' as much as I like to think he was clean the evidence is becoming far to damming now.

I guess the old adage of "if it's too good to be true, it's most likely false" springs to mind, seven times winner of the toughest race in the world, probably too good to be true.

 

[XdOu™]

i agree..

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

A lot of those pointing the finger were team mates, not guys he 'beat' as much as I like to think he was clean the evidence is becoming far to damming now.

I guess the old adage of "if it's too good to be true, it's most likely false" springs to mind, seven times winner of the toughest race in the world, probably too good to be true.

Those team mates were caught doping. They also played second fiddle to him. Fact is when the water rises your best friend will stand on your shoulders to stay alive and let you die. Again, without physical evidence to support the statements of those that are tarnished their statement and motivations are suspect.

Lance has never failed a test. End of story.

 

[PhilGarlic]

Those team mates were caught doping. They also played second fiddle to him. Fact is when the water rises your best friend will stand on your shoulders to stay alive and let you die. Again, without physical evidence to support the statements of those that are tarnished their statement and motivations are suspect.

Lance has never failed a test. End of story.

He has avoided being tested though, even to the extent of pulling out of races when he knew he was going to be tested.

It is also well known that the drug cheats in cycling were always one step ahead of the testers, and most likely still are!!

Yeah the guys who testified against him all cut a deal, but I don't hear any in the cycle game who raced with and against him saying anything in his defense.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

He has avoided being tested though, even to the extent of pulling out of races when he knew he was going to be tested.

It is also well known that the drug cheats in cycling were always one step ahead of the testers, and most likely still are!!

Yeah the guys who testified against him all cut a deal, but I don't hear any in the cycle game who raced with and against him saying anything in his defense.

The "he avoided" are statements by those who got caught.

I would never convict anybody on hearsay evidence by convicted felons which in essence this is what it is. Every piece of evidence is tainted and suspect and the rest is speculation and conjecture. The rule of law does not support this investigation.

Oh yes, again, he has never failed a test. Oh wait, yes they have a blood sample that tested positive but after scrutinizing the sample it was learned that the chain of custody was compromised. Everything considered I smell a rat. The test would be thrown out by a court but the commission is using it anyway. Again, a big fat rat.

Fact is, he never failed a test. This case would never survive a court room. Every witness is compromised. Lance's only remedy is an arbitration with the the very committee and investigators sitting as judges. This does not sound like a fair process. Lance did the right thing by not dignifying them with a fight. He knows it is horseshit process and anybody with common sense can see it as so too.

 

[PhilGarlic]

The "he avoided" are statements by those who got caught.

I would never convict anybody on hearsay evidence by convicted felons which in essence this is what it is. Every piece of evidence is tainted and suspect and the rest is speculation and conjecture. The rule of law does not support this investigation.

Oh yes, again, he has never failed a test. Oh wait, yes they have a blood sample that tested positive but after scrutinizing the sample it was learned that the chain of custody was compromised. Everything considered I smell a rat. The test would be thrown out by a court but the commission is using it anyway. Again, a big fat rat.

Fact is, he never failed a test. This case would never survive a court room. Every witness is compromised. Lance's only remedy is an arbitration with the the very committee and investigators sitting as judges. This does not sound like a fair process. Lance did the right thing by not dignifying them with a fight. He knows it is horseshit process and anybody with common sense can see it as so too.

VBM, Even as an English guy Armstrong was one of my sporting hero's, looking back he has always used threats of lawyers and the courts to keep his name clean. Some would say bullied! Why now when he has the chance to clear his name would this fighter back down?

If there was one professional from the cycling world who was prepared to stand up and say he was 'clean' I might think you are right, the evidence has now swung against Armstrong.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

VBM, Even as an English guy Armstrong was one of my sporting hero's, looking back he has always used threats of lawyers and the courts to keep his name clean. Some would say bullied! Why now when he has the chance to clear his name would this fighter back down?

If there was one professional from the cycling world who was prepared to stand up and say he was 'clean' I might think you are right, the evidence has now swung against Armstrong.

what part do you not understand?

His remedy is an arbitration with his accusers as the judge.

There is no evidence other them hearsay of the guilty whose motivations are certainly suspect. People facing economic penalties or jail cut a deal to implicate others are not trustworthy.

Yes he threatened in the past with LEGITIMATE legal system.

They could have 500 witnesses but if all 500 are tainted it is a washout.

Oh wait, again, Lance has never been tested dirty.

No more argument from me. Hard evidence speaks for itself. You wanna jump on the hearsay train have at it.

 

[hogjack]

Armstrong has always been a complete knobjob.

However, it is cycling so no one really cares.

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

Armstrong has always been a complete knobjob.

However, it is cycling so no one really cares.

I'm not a fan of the sport and not a fan of Armstrong. I'm just pointing out facts.

 

[PhilGarlic]

what part do you not understand?

His remedy is an arbitration with his accusers as the judge.

There is no evidence other them hearsay of the guilty whose motivations are certainly suspect. People facing economic penalties or jail cut a deal to implicate others are not trustworthy.

Yes he threatened in the past with LEGITIMATE legal system.

They could have 500 witnesses but if all 500 are tainted it is a washout.

Oh wait, again, Lance has never been tested dirty.

No more argument from me. Hard evidence speaks for itself. You wanna jump on the hearsay train have at it.

We are going round in circles, we both have different views, and no doubt won't agree on this matter.

I guess what is important is the US ADA has looked at the information and found guilty, given that the job of the ADA is to catch drug cheats I guess he won't have it all his own way, as he has in the past.

As I said if ONE pro cyclist would stand up and say he raced clean then I would have more faith in him. The only person saying Lance is clean is Lance, I think you need to go look at ALL the evidence again, it goes back a long long way.