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fisherman

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Ladies please, I could use some help here. I'm a published author whi is currently finishing the final editing on my second novel and my publisher is screaming for a novella which leans to the erotic and he wants it by July. My other two novels are mainstream fiction and my published short stories range from erotic to mainstream.

In brief, the story which is banging around in my cobwebbed head is of two people, a man and woman who are competors in business, both married but bored and most times alone. Both are older, late 40's and both are actually not very attractive and get both get thrown together.

Both get stranded in a snow storm in a small town after they both were bidding on the same job and both lost the bid. And there's no room at the inn except to share adjoining rooms with no door between till the weather lets up and they can fly home to different cities.

So bored and pissed they lost the contract and it was a wasted trip they begin to talk cause the cell phones are out of range and outside the weather is lousy. Over the course of the time they share not only the room but their secrets, hurts, disappoints,desires, and lives with one another and in the course of sharing they become lovers.

Lovers with no secrets, lovers who do things they've always dreamed of but never dared. After all when the weather stops and the planes fly they can go home to their miserable lives with their miserable spouse and family and can put out the light of their time of passion.

I plan to write it first person singular with alternating chapters between the only two characters and the scene is always in the motel room. Time frame is roughly three day and nights. Word count should be around 35000 to 45000, anything much longer would bounce it to novel and then I'm stuck working on a 80 to 120,000 word count.

So ladies any ideas? What would the woman think, what would you think and what would you tell if you were her? Would you cherish the thoughts and actions or forget them soon? Keerp souviners or wipe it from your mind. Would tell it all and do it all? I can do the man's persepctive, hell I'm a man. But I ain't a woman. No...and I'm not some freak looking to get off on erotic words and thoughts. This is work, it's my profession and career.

Any ideas, no matter how weird or carzy would be appreciated cause one idea always leads to another. Thanks ladies.....John
 
I think you're going to have work hard to keep the story from being cliche. Browsed the Harlequins lately? They're chock full of snowbound couple has sex despite themselves. You'd have to be careful to keep yourself from turning into a pornographic romance novelist with that story line.

Perhaps you'd be better off having them at some conference or other fighting over the bid and with each other and then falling in to bed. I've always thought that using circumstances to put people in bed with each other was no where near as interesting as putting the people in bed with each other despite themselves.

You're doing a character study with that one. The characters should dictate, not the circumstances. The reason people love incest is that it's taboo. The best incest is the one where the people overcome the taboo barrier in an interesting way and not because it just sort of accidentally happened. I'm sure you know all of that already.

Anyway, an excerpt from my lecture on females:

We don't orgasm from the cock plunging into us. That's a nice lie that both men and women perpetrate. Next time you're with your lady love, do a little thrusting alone and you'll notice that she's not orgasming.

Most of us require clitorial and shallow vaginal stimulation to orgasm. Our nerve endings are all in the vulva and we don't feel it deeper inside very well.

Vaginal orgasms are a rarity best not explored by mainstream.

Women like light touches all over the body. We have to be prepared to have sex to orgasm. We have different places we like to be touched and places we don't like to be touched. The exploration is fun. Don't do the man thing. Nipples, clitoris, fuck. It's fine, but you're missing the rest of our skin. Explore the whole body. You'd be shocked what sucking on her big toe does to her.

A barometer of a man's readiness to fuck is his state of erection. A woman can be sloppy wet, drenched, and dripping down her thighs and not be ready to fuck. That state of the pussy does not dictate arousal. A little known fact, the female pussy is almost always wet.

Talk dirty. No, not that ridiculous, "You love that don't you, you filthy fucking slut. You're a cum whore and you love it." Then she promptly says, "IIIIIII'MMMMMM CCCCCCCCCCUMINGGGGGGGG!" There are women who love that kind of talk. The general concesus is that if you call me a filthy fucking slut I'm going to beat the crap out of you. Talking dirty means discussing the sex while you're having the sex. Women like to hear about themselves. For instance how the man is enjoying their breasts or their pussy and what's so great about them. Ever heard the line, "Tell me your fantasies?" Then you did and she didn't speak to you for a week, right? The actual question is, "Tell me your fantasies that involve me."

The absolute most important sexual organ in a woman's body is her brain. If you haven't activated it, drawn her into sex mentally, then you haven't had sex with her, just her body.
 
Thank You Killer

Thank you Killer Muffin.....your thoughts and time you took to express them are appreciated. Anbd your right about the Harlequin and the snow storm. Back to the old drawing board so to speak.

Ever look at the Blaze series? They put it out cause the Harlequins aren't selling. Talk about a waste of paper and trees and it's usally sold in the check out line of the grocery store. Grocery stores...how I love them...more stories there than any one can count.

Also read your stuff...particularlly "I Want You". Now don't take offense but try this sometime. Go off line...pencil and paper or keyborad..whatever...but make a sentence...a complete sentence...gramitically correct which is no less than 65 words. Then look at "I want you" and you will know what I mean.

But I should talk...can't spelll worth shit...and computers and all the tech stuff? Forget it! My kids now grown and gone have to come home once a week to un-fuck the computer which Dad has fucked up.

Again ........thank you and your right too about the mind sex. Been doing that with my wife for a long time...talk our way to coming...........but hey took that part for granted.
 
All you have to do to write women successfully is to write down exactly opposite what you would do as a man.
 
Well, I Want You came around backwards. I wrote it, then read it, then re-read it so it sounded natural when I spoke. A few months later Hecate complained that she couldn't really understand what was said without a transcript because some of us have accents and she's not a native english speaker. Since I'd already deleted the original transcript I had to listen to myself speak and write it down.

It was painful. I still don't know why you people like my voice.

Don't confuse erotica with romance. We've got too much "women's" erotica and "men's" pornography. I think you could probably take something that you would normally write and do a very good job of it. Whatever it is that you'd normally write about, they're people, right? People fuck all the time, it's not that hard to make that a part of the story, well, sometimes.
 
The Harlequins are still selling just fine, actually. If they weren't they wouldn't be printing them. The Harlequin and Silhouette companies are very successful. Once in a while you can find a gem in their lines, but much of the time it's my opinion that they fudge on quality because they are locked in to providing a certain number of titles every month for every line they print.

The Blaze series is an effort to jump on the erotic bandwagon. Women want steamier sex in their romance novels.

I disagree slightly with KM. Not all things appeal equally to men and women. Perhaps you should talk more specifically with your editor and find out what audience you're aiming for. Erotica doesn't equal romance. It can include it, but they're not one and the same.

And KM, please know that every time you bash romance novelists, I get bruised. ;)

For the record, my pussy is not wet most of the time. For me, wetness is a very good indicator of my level of arousal. Also, that area puffs up and opens up when I'm really excited.
 
Writting from different view points is not easy, Iknow.
However being new to this writting game I'm still on a learning curve, I do wish one would get more feed back from ones work. But I suppose if the reader is in a state of grace after reading my story the last thing they want do is tell me my grammer sucks but the idea and the scene was WOW!
To learn more about writting I tend to read stories writen by women they are more feeling than the guy's.

So Jon read a few stories and why not play with the wife it could be fun for you both to say how you feel. A bit of role play could be real fun too.

I would be most honoured if you could have a flick through my stories and tell me honestly where I'm wrong and were I'm right.
I've already had the view's and guidence of several ladies and I'm working on their advice at the moment.
 
Fisherman,

I made an attempt at writing a woman's feeling in my story "Diary of a Fisting" in BDSM a story I tried to tell in two first person voices, in the terms of intercut diary entries. The intercutting is a film structure and according to the feedback I had it made for a confused read. I am unsure how well I managed to catch the female perspective because unfortunately I have not had any feedback from female readers - or is it that females do not read stories in the BDSM category?

jon
 
Thank you hithhiker

Thanks for your thoughts. Where do I find your stories? If I knew where they were I would be glad to read them and let you know.
 
women's point of view

I cannot speak for women's point of view, only my point of view as a woman. I don't know if you are still planning to use the motel scene. I think it would be interesting to "watch" them in the motel and hear their voices, and from there deduce who they were and what they had just done (as business competitors).

I disagree with some of what KM says. I used to not cum with penetration, but now I do...because my partner takes forever to cum, (this is an age thing-he is 45- that might work in your story) and I know he will not stop just before my orgasm. I realized that I wrote off ever being able to cum with a penis as a response to the disappointment of having a man stop just as it is getting really good.

I do agree that what a man thinks is erotic talk in bed is NOT what works for me, usually. I like to hear that I am the sexiest thing he ever saw, that my breasts, hips, legs, pussy are the most tanatalizing and delicious, that he can't get enough of me. I like to be led, guided kindly and with affection and tenderness. I like to hear I am giving him what he needs. I especially like to have him look in my eyes - I love the grimaces, love seeing the pleasure, love the sensation of merging.

For the best discussion of merging and what a high it is, see "Hot and Heavy" by Judy Hollis. You can skip a lot of the text and just read for the good parts.

If I met someone like that at a motel, I would want to keep the memory, certainly. I would probably not be willing to relinquish contact, because doing so would cause me pain and emptiness. In my own life I am inclusive and believe with honesty and sensitivity there imay be no need to choose one partner over another.

I have one poem so far posted here, it is called "Early Morning Twilight". I would appreciate your comments!
-Melissa
 
fisherman said:
Ladies please, I could use some help here. I'm a published author whi is currently finishing the final editing on my second novel and my publisher is screaming for a novella which leans to the erotic and he wants it by July. My other two novels are mainstream fiction and my published short stories range from erotic to mainstream.

In brief, the story which is banging around in my cobwebbed head is of two people, a man and woman who are competors in business, both married but bored and most times alone. Both are older, late 40's and both are actually not very attractive and get both get thrown together.

Both get stranded in a snow storm in a small town after they both were bidding on the same job and both lost the bid. And there's no room at the inn except to share adjoining rooms with no door between till the weather lets up and they can fly home to different cities.

So bored and pissed they lost the contract and it was a wasted trip they begin to talk cause the cell phones are out of range and outside the weather is lousy. Over the course of the time they share not only the room but their secrets, hurts, disappoints,desires, and lives with one another and in the course of sharing they become lovers.

Lovers with no secrets, lovers who do things they've always dreamed of but never dared. After all when the weather stops and the planes fly they can go home to their miserable lives with their miserable spouse and family and can put out the light of their time of passion.

I plan to write it first person singular with alternating chapters between the only two characters and the scene is always in the motel room. Time frame is roughly three day and nights. Word count should be around 35000 to 45000, anything much longer would bounce it to novel and then I'm stuck working on a 80 to 120,000 word count.

So ladies any ideas? What would the woman think, what would you think and what would you tell if you were her? Would you cherish the thoughts and actions or forget them soon? Keerp souviners or wipe it from your mind. Would tell it all and do it all? I can do the man's persepctive, hell I'm a man. But I ain't a woman. No...and I'm not some freak looking to get off on erotic words and thoughts. This is work, it's my profession and career.

Any ideas, no matter how weird or carzy would be appreciated cause one idea always leads to another. Thanks ladies.....John
not a woman,so I wont offer
 
highly recomended

Read jon.hayworth "diary of a fisting" beautifully writen and thought out structure. Has also opened a new era for a friend of mine!!
Don't forget the KY ok!

TSM has now started to speak. Poke a stick in the wasp nest and you'll get stung. But then some people would enjoy that wouldn't they?
 
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