Labour Party 2015 UK

[gotsnowgotslush]

Jeremy Corbyn seems to have a sizable following.


"Tony Blair is not the messiah, he’s a very naughty boy."

"Even Corbynmania achieves nothing else, it really has been wonderful to see Tony Blair begin to come to terms with just exactly what people think of him. About damn time."

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ppy-with-jeremy-corbyns-victory-10497758.html

"The amount of abuse that’s been heaped on my widest extended family has been utterly disgraceful and I hope the media if they’re hearing this feel ashamed of themselves. We don’t do personal abuse, we don’t give personal abuse, we’re not interested in the theatre of politics.”

- Jeremy Corbyn


"...aggressive attack message the Conservatives released hours after his election as Labour leader."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ctory-reaction-snp-green-tory-lib-dem-parties

This Is The Tories’ Brutal Attack On Jeremy Corbyn
(It’s about to get vicious.)

buzzed.co.UK

Shortly after the Islington North MP’s landslide victory in the leadership contest, the Conservative Party press office released a statement from Michael Fallon calling the day a “serious moment” for Britain.

"Labour are now a serious risk to our nation's security, our economy's security and your family's security,” the statement said.


Whether it's weakening our defences, raising taxes on jobs and earnings, racking up more debt and welfare or driving up the cost of living by printing money - Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party will hurt working people.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...y-risk-defence-secretary-claims-10498061.html


The Red Flag, a socialist song written by Irish activist Jim Connell in 1889, is the semi-official anthem of the Labour

Jeremy Corbyn has celebrated his election as Labour leader by launching into an emotional rendition of socialist anthem The Red Flag at his victory party in Westminster.

His voice could be heard clearly above dozens of jubilant supporters crowded into The Sanctuary as people rose to their feet and punched the air in the background.

Billy Bragg broke into a chorus of The Red Flag. Jeremy Corbyn had just finished addressing the crowds at the Solidarity with Refugees rally in London, his first speech to the public since being elected leader on Saturday.

The people's flag is deepest red
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold
Their hearts' blood dyed to every fold


Then raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath its folds we'll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We'll keep the red flag flying here

It waved above our infant might
When all ahead seemed dark as night
It witnessed many a deed and vow
We must not change its colour now

Chorus

It well recalls the triumphs past
It gives the hope of peace at last
The banner bright, the symbol plain
Of human right and human gain

Chorus

It suits today the meek and base
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe beneath the rich man's frown
And haul that sacred emblem down

Chorus

With heads uncovered swear we all
To bear it onward till we fall
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim
This song shall be our parting hymn

 

[bluemoves01]

Betrayed

As a Labour suppoter and trade union member the above election win leaves us with more years of tory rule.

A black day indeed.

 

[Scotsman69]

As someone who voted Labour all my life, until Blair lied to Parliament to take us into the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003, I celebrate Corbyn's election as a wee hope that Labour may just be finding its way back to being a radical force in UK politics.

Our disunited kingdom (isn't it weird that it remains the UK though we haven't had a king in over 60 years?) may yet become a decent place of which I can be proud to be a citizen.

 

[JackLuis]

Nations using child soldiers are invited to British arms fair

Britain is continuing to defy the UN by selling arms to countries where child soldiers are routinely used or where youngsters are targeted in war zones. Before the world’s largest arms and security fair, which starts in London on Tuesday, the government is ignoring UN requests that it “expressly prohibit” such sales.

New figures reveal that of the 23 countries listed by the UN for grave violations against children or where child soldiers are used, the UK sold military equipment to 19 during the past five years. They also reveal that between June 2010 and March 2015 the government approved military licences worth more than £735m to countries blacklisted by the UN committee responsible for protecting the rights of the child.

Well they are only wogs, right?

 

[oggbashan]

Nations using child soldiers are invited to British arms fair

...

Nations who want arms are welcome at almost any arms fair anywhere. If the UK restricted arms sales only to countries on a Guardian approved list we probably wouldn't sell arms to anyone.

The Russians and the Chinese aren't selective in the countries they sell arms to.

 

[JackLuis]

Nations who want arms are welcome at almost any arms fair anywhere. If the UK restricted arms sales only to countries on a Guardian approved list we probably wouldn't sell arms to anyone.

The Russians and the Chinese aren't selective in the countries they sell arms to.

Yeah but aren't they the EVIL ones?

 

[Messier82]

Our ruling party would be only too happy to sell anything to anyone, Comedian/Political Activist Mark Thomas used to specialize in exposing this kind of thing.

 

[oggbashan]

Yeah but aren't they the EVIL ones?

So? We sell to them too.

Pecunia non olet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pecunia_non_olet

 

[warksman]

So it's ok to criticise arms sales but also lionise the IRA and other terrorist organisations? He wants to 'share' the Falklands with Argentina. They have NO right to it. The greatest endorsement of Corbyn as a total loony is when the Russian government showed how pleased they were to see him as leader. This country is now without any effective opposition, the British public have shown time and time again that we want nothing to do with hard right or hard left politics. The tories will romp home in 2020 if he is leader.

 

[Scotsman69]

The world is changing. Seems you just haven't caught up with that fact yet.

So it's ok to criticise arms sales but also lionise the IRA and other terrorist organisations? He wants to 'share' the Falklands with Argentina. They have NO right to it. The greatest endorsement of Corbyn as a total loony is when the Russian government showed how pleased they were to see him as leader. This country is now without any effective opposition, the British public have shown time and time again that we want nothing to do with hard right or hard left politics. The tories will romp home in 2020 if he is leader.

 

[oggbashan]

The world is changing. Seems you just haven't caught up with that fact yet.

The world might be changing. The UK could be changing politically, but some of Jeremy Corbyn's views IF continued now he is the Leader of the Labour Party, are going to make undecided voters decide anyone but him.

Argentina isn't changing. It is still a mess, and claiming that they should have The Falklands is just a way of diverting their people's attention from the unholy mess their government has made of Argentina.

IF Jeremy Corbyn, as Labour Leader, suggests that The Falklands should be given to Argentina, many of those in his own party who have supported him so far will turn against him. What he might have said as a back-bencher years ago is irrelevant despite the Murdoch media. What is important is what he says now he has been elected as Leader.

His statements so far aren't as radical as those he has made in the past. IF he can unite the Labour Party behind him, and appeal beyond the left wing of that Party, he might change UK politics.

But that is a massive task, even if he had goodwill from all Labour MPs. That he hasn't YET got.

 

[JackLuis]

The US does it too.

In an Overlooked War, Saudis Use U.S.-Made Weapons to Kill Civilians in Yemen

Largely off the radar in the United States, Saudi Arabia has continued its “coalition” air war against rebels in Yemen, killing more than a thousand civilians with the help of American weapons.

In addition to providing cluster bombs and other deadly ordinance, the U.S. has given the Saudis “military intelligence and logistical assistance” in attacking the Houthis, the rebel group that toppled the Yemeni government, according to The New York Times.

“The loss of civilian life in Hajja shows why most countries have made a commitment never to use cluster munitions,” said Ole Solvang, senior emergencies researcher for Human Rights Watch. “These weapons not only kill or injure people at the time of attack, but the unexploded submunitions go on killing long afterward.”

 

[bluemoves01]

How can uniting the Labour party behind him change anything, he has to convince the majority of voters in five years time.

He has made a good start with MPs questions. What am i saying?

 

[lovelyboy]

How can uniting the Labour party behind him change anything, he has to convince the majority of voters in five years time.

He has made a good start with MPs questions. What am i saying?

I think it makes politics in the UK very interesting as he comes across as a refreshing change from the rest of the MPs in the commons (on both sides).

What I hope it will do is remove the voter apathy that we have had in this country for the last few elections, start some real debate amongst the general public about politics and provide a real sensible alternative to the other parties.

Labour will lose some of the pro-Blairite supporters they gained in the 1990's (which isn't a bad thing in my opinion, they'll probably jump back to the lib dems), but where I think he'll gain is getting young new voters on board and also appeal to the 40+ somethings who lean to the left and were turned on by Labour in the Thatcher days.

Interesting times methinks !

 

[warksman]

The British public proved in 1979, 1983 and 1987 that they have no appetite for the hard left politics that Corbyn is devoted to. I give him two years as leader, just enough to show in local and other elections that the current labour leadership is unelectable. If he stays as leader for the next general election, Labour will be eviscerated. This hype about 'genuine politicians' is just guff, what the people vote for in the end is who they think is most likely to improve theirs and their families lives. Most people actually don't care if they are a rich toff with lots of rich friends if it's the 'least worst' option. What we need are credible challengers to provide a proper opposition who people in the centre will actually vote for. Just about all of Corbyn's policies have been tried in the past and completely failed. Ironically what Corbyn's appointment might do is help Labour, in the short term, in the Socialist Republic of Scotland as the Scots appear to be hell bent on turning themselves into a socialist basket case.

 

[Scotsman69]

The British public, like any other electorate, changes over time. In the late 1940s there was overwhelming public support for a Labour programme of nationalisation and creation of the welfare state - policies which some commentators now characterise as extreme left. Thirty years ago a vast majority of English voters elected Thatcher, who was determined to roll back the innovations of the 40s.

It is now thirty-sex years since Thatcher was first elected, and the suffering caused by many Thatcher policies is now clear to many who voted to her.

Corbyn's election is a manifestation that Britain is in a constant process of change. Most folk, the super-rich apart, suffer from 'austerity' and are sick of it. Corbyn may not have all the answers; no politician in history ever has. But he does embrace the bones of an economic strategy which offers hope for many for the future.

That is why the policies he represents are such a danger to Britain's super-rich and the economy and media they now control. That's why they're running shit-scared, and will do anything in their considerable power to stop him.

Expect the dirtiest dirty-tricks campaign in the history of British democracy.

The British public proved in 1979, 1983 and 1987 that they have no appetite for the hard left politics that Corbyn is devoted to. I give him two years as leader, just enough to show in local and other elections that the current labour leadership is unelectable. If he stays as leader for the next general election, Labour will be eviscerated. This hype about 'genuine politicians' is just guff, what the people vote for in the end is who they think is most likely to improve theirs and their families lives. Most people actually don't care if they are a rich toff with lots of rich friends if it's the 'least worst' option. What we need are credible challengers to provide a proper opposition who people in the centre will actually vote for. Just about all of Corbyn's policies have been tried in the past and completely failed. Ironically what Corbyn's appointment might do is help Labour, in the short term, in the Socialist Republic of Scotland as the Scots appear to be hell bent on turning themselves into a socialist basket case.

 

[Stillgotmylooks]

1975 called and wants Corbyn back. They need someone to argue for the good system they have in the Soviet Union.