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because the video can be triggering, let me add a website;
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kony2012/kony-4.html

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I have been getting some worrisome news about this film. Kony is an evil man, there is no question about that. But there are some very strong whiffs of moneyscamming going on, and your money, if you give it to IC may not do the good you want it to do.


Before you give your money to the invisible Children group, please read this post, and follow a few of the links in it:
http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/18909727859/on-kony-2012-i-honestly-wanted-to-stay-as-far

and here:
http://innovateafrica.tumblr.com/post/18897981642/you-dont-have-my-vote
 
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JMohegan said:
He lost me at "people on Facebook," 30 seconds in. However, I gather from the tone of the thread that this is a sober cause. Anyone want to summarize what it is?
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Basically:

Get Kony to be a household name by plastering it all over the place. Theory being that if the name "Kony" is rolling off of people's tongues like "Coke" or "Opra" then that will open them up to the knowledge of what he is doing. With knowledge comes power. If the whole world knows what's going on, it's more likely he can be stopped.


It gets into some detail about how they plan to do this, and how they have done it so far. Very gripping once you get past the first 3 minutes.
 
a noble cause, but this seems like an issue a bit too complex for your typical western facebooker to fully comprehend. isn't this organization basically pushing for the inevitable slaughter of Kony's child army?...just how many hundreds of young and tortured lives would it take to attain that end result of his capture?
 
the captians wench said:
Basically:

Get Kony to be a household name by plastering it all over the place. Theory being that if the name "Kony" is rolling off of people's tongues like "Coke" or "Opra" then that will open them up to the knowledge of what he is doing. With knowledge comes power. If the whole world knows what's going on, it's more likely he can be stopped.


It gets into some detail about how they plan to do this, and how they have done it so far. Very gripping once you get past the first 3 minutes.
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Thanks, Wench.

Who is Kony, and what is he doing?
 
JMohegan said:
Thanks, Wench.

Who is Kony, and what is he doing?
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Wiki link.

He is #1 on the International Criminal Court's "most wanted" list for his crimes against humanity. Namely the kidnapping of over 30,000 children. The children are forced to kill their parents. The girls are made into prostitutes, the boys are forced into Kony's child army and made to commit heinous acts against others.

What attracted me to this particular campaign is the precedent it can set. Capturing Kony is only one part of this. What is important about this campaign is that by galvanizing global support through social media we, the people, can show governments that we want men such as Kony dealt with. You see, when the filmmaker first went to the US government about this issue, he was told that Kony did not represent a significant enough financial or military threat to the US, and so...tough luck.

After the movement began to build, politicians finally took notice and Obama committed 100 troops to working with the Ugandan military to capture Kony. However, if results aren't seen soon and the government doesn't feel there is public interest, that small assistance can be withdrawn.

For once we have a tool, the Internet, to make our voices heard. I plan to use it.
 
Keroin said:
Wiki link.

He is #1 on the International Criminal Court's "most wanted" list for his crimes against humanity. Namely the kidnapping of over 30,000 children. The children are forced to kill their parents. The girls are made into prostitutes, the boys are forced into Kony's child army and made to commit heinous acts against others.

What attracted me to this particular campaign is the precedent it can set. Capturing Kony is only one part of this. What is important about this campaign is that by galvanizing global support through social media we, the people, can show governments that we want men such as Kony dealt with. You see, when the filmmaker first went to the US government about this issue, he was told that Kony did not represent a significant enough financial or military threat to the US, and so...tough luck.

After the movement began to build, politicians finally took notice and Obama committed 100 troops to working with the Ugandan military to capture Kony. However, if results aren't seen soon and the government doesn't feel there is public interest, that small assistance can be withdrawn.

For once we have a tool, the Internet, to make our voices heard. I plan to use it.
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Thank you.

Generally speaking, I'm not a fan of Team America, World Police. It's not that I'd say "tough luck" (and I doubt the US government put it that way), but rather that I am wary of well-intentioned actions that have unforeseen negative consequences.

This guy does sound heinous, though. Will you be pressuring the Canadian government to take action?
 
Keroin said:
Wiki link.
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Somebody's fucking with wiki. Here's the current opening quote:

"Joseph Kony (born c. 1961)[1] is a Ugandan guerrilla group leader, head of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), a group engaged in a violent campaign to establish theocratic government based on the Ten Commandments throughout Uganda.[2] The LRA is a militant group with a syncretic Christian extreme religious ideology. In keeping with the basic beliefs of Christianity, they are known for the extreme atrocities they commit against civilians, including killings, mutilations, rape, and in some accounts even cannibalism.[6]."
 
Here you go. From last October, the President outlines things nicely...


TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT
TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
AND THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SENATE

Dear Mr. Speaker, Dear Mr. President,

For more than two decades, the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) has murdered, raped, and kidnapped tens of thousands of men, women, and children in central Africa. The LRA continues to commit atrocities across the Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and South Sudan that have a disproportionate impact on regional security. Since 2008, the United States has supported regional military efforts to pursue the LRA and protect local communities. Even with some limited U.S. assistance, however, regional military efforts have thus far been unsuccessful in removing LRA leader Joseph Kony or his top commanders from the battlefield. In the Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009, Public Law 111 172, enacted May 24, 2010, the Congress also expressed support for increased, comprehensive U.S. efforts to help mitigate and eliminate the threat posed by the LRA to civilians and regional stability.

In furtherance of the Congress's stated policy, I have authorized a small number of combat equipped U.S. forces to deploy to central Africa to provide assistance to regional forces that are working toward the removal of Joseph Kony from the battlefield. I believe that deploying these U.S. Armed Forces furthers U.S. national security interests and foreign policy and will be a significant contribution toward counter LRA efforts in central Africa.

On October 12, the initial team of U.S. military personnel with appropriate combat equipment deployed to Uganda. During the next month, additional forces will deploy, including a second combat-equipped team and associated headquarters, communications, and logistics personnel. The total number of U.S. military personnel deploying for this mission is approximately 100. These forces will act as advisors to partner forces that have the goal of removing from the battlefield Joseph Kony and other senior leadership of the LRA. Our forces will provide information, advice, and assistance to select partner nation forces. Subject to the approval of each respective host nation, elements of these U.S. forces will deploy into Uganda, South Sudan, the Central African Republic, and the Democratic Republic of the Congo. The support provided by U.S. forces will enhance regional efforts against the LRA. However, although the U.S. forces are combat equipped, they will only be providing information, advice, and assistance to partner nation forces, and they will not themselves engage LRA forces unless necessary for self defense. All appropriate precautions have been taken to ensure the safety of U.S. military personnel during their deployment.

I have directed this deployment, which is in the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States, pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive. I am making this report as part of my efforts to keep the Congress fully informed, consistent with the War Powers Resolution (Public Law 93 148). I appreciate the support of the Congress in this action.

Sincerely,

BARACK OBAMA

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...use-representatives-and-president-pro-tempore
 
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My teenager talked to me about this last night. I was quite impressed with her take on the situation and the mature way she talked to me about spreading the word.

And go figure, Rush is an asshat yet again.
 
I have been getting some worrisome news about this film. Kony is an evil man, there is no question about that. But there are some very strong whiffs of moneyscamming going on, and your money, if you give it to IC may not do the good you want it to do.


Before you give your money to the invisible Children group, please read this post, and follow a few of the links in it:
http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/18909727859/on-kony-2012-i-honestly-wanted-to-stay-as-far

and here:
http://innovateafrica.tumblr.com/post/18897981642/you-dont-have-my-vote

I do NOT want to parcel my pennies, of which I have fewer and fewer these days, out to three people who will pocket a hundred million of them for their own travels.
 
Looks like another job for those bad ass mother fuckers that poped Osama.
 
Stella_Omega said:
I have been getting some worrisome news about this film. Kony is an evil man, there is no question about that. But there are some very strong whiffs of moneyscamming going on, and your money, if you give it to IC may not do the good you want it to do.


Before you give your money to the invisible Children group, please read this post, and follow a few of the links in it:
http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/18909727859/on-kony-2012-i-honestly-wanted-to-stay-as-far

and here:
http://innovateafrica.tumblr.com/post/18897981642/you-dont-have-my-vote

I do NOT want to parcel my pennies, of which I have fewer and fewer these days, out to three people who will pocket a hundred million of them for their own travels.
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I haven't done any research other than clicking on your first link, but my question is are they really listed as a non-profit? Not all charities are non-profit. And it would seem to me that travel expences would be covered by work, and if film making is what draws attention, then that should be covered too.

I still like the idea behind it. Make people more aware of the world around them, that was what stirred me.
 
Keroin said:
Absolutely.
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What, specifically, will you urge the Canadian government to do?


Stella_Omega said:
I have been getting some worrisome news about this film. Kony is an evil man, there is no question about that. But there are some very strong whiffs of moneyscamming going on, and your money, if you give it to IC may not do the good you want it to do.


Before you give your money to the invisible Children group, please read this post, and follow a few of the links in it:
http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/18909727859/on-kony-2012-i-honestly-wanted-to-stay-as-far

and here:
http://innovateafrica.tumblr.com/post/18897981642/you-dont-have-my-vote

I do NOT want to parcel my pennies, of which I have fewer and fewer these days, out to three people who will pocket a hundred million of them for their own travels.
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From your first link, it's worse than travel money. Your pennies would be funding a military group with its own tradition of rape, looting, and assault. Not as heinous as Kony's, perhaps, but hardly Mother Teresa's troupe.


the captians wench said:
I still like the idea behind it. Make people more aware of the world around them, that was what stirred me.
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I like the idea of awareness, too. But awareness without an understanding of the complexities involved can actually be counterproductive. There's an enormous difference superficial awareness and actual education.

Getting back to Keroin's broader point about social media, for the people who are into social media - what is your view on the superficial awareness vs. education issue? I don't do the facebook thing or the twitting thing, so I can't speak to what goes on there. I'm asking if social media is more likely to spread superficial and potentially misleading impressions or real knowledge.

Obviously a lot depends on the individual. I'm asking your opinions about the average facebooker/twitterer person, or rather, about the majority.
 
Stella_Omega said:
I have been getting some worrisome news about this film. Kony is an evil man, there is no question about that. But there are some very strong whiffs of moneyscamming going on, and your money, if you give it to IC may not do the good you want it to do.


Before you give your money to the invisible Children group, please read this post, and follow a few of the links in it:
http://tumblr.thedailywh.at/post/18909727859/on-kony-2012-i-honestly-wanted-to-stay-as-far

and here:
http://innovateafrica.tumblr.com/post/18897981642/you-dont-have-my-vote

I do NOT want to parcel my pennies, of which I have fewer and fewer these days, out to three people who will pocket a hundred million of them for their own travels.
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ControlandDom said:
http://i40.tinypic.com/24n1zip.jpg
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/263/936/ca0.jpg
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This is one way that evils become mundane.

I totally share the reservations you both have in regards to this project. There is a kind of Western self-promotion and shallow activism that irks me too. And the US frequently gives arms to the perceived lesser evil.

But, here in America, we are spending so much time on the computer. If this is how we can organize ourselves to take action, then I applaud it. Look at Occupy Wall Street.

But then, look at Occupy Wall Street! What happened? Where did that energy go?

The problem is that it's so hard to stay involved if we don't feel the threat in our own lives. That's one reason Kony's actions halfway around the world are perpetuated. He isn't threatening the powerful. (Hey, how close is he to Africa's oil fields? Maybe he serves an important purpose there.)

These filmmakers have made it part of their life, that's how they can sustain this energy, and keep some focus on the problem. And it does take money to raise a family.

We should probably all question whether we need as much money as we think we do in order to be comfortable. And, like many of us, the filmmakers may not be seeing the whole impact of their actions as they grow more and more excited about the impact they are having. It's hard to see the bigger picture.

But I'm glad to see this here. I'm grateful for both the original link and the subsequent ones. Thank you.
 
JMohegan said:
Getting back to Keroin's broader point about social media, for the people who are into social media - what is your view on the superficial awareness vs. education issue? I don't do the facebook thing or the twitting thing, so I can't speak to what goes on there. I'm asking if social media is more likely to spread superficial and potentially misleading impressions or real knowledge.

Obviously a lot depends on the individual. I'm asking your opinions about the average facebooker/twitterer person, or rather, about the majority.
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The answer is both -- there is incredible potential to spread superficial and potentially misleading information, but there are plenty of people around who will dig deeper and bring that information to light as well.
 
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