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Bush Prepares for European Trip

By RON FOURNIER
.c The Associated Press


WASHINGTON (AP) - On his second European trip in five weeks, President Bush hopes to rally the world's richest nations to fight AIDS, poverty and economic isolationism.

He will test his personal charm when he sees Queen Elizabeth II and Pope John Paul II, and will rally U.S. troops in Kosovo.

But he will not be able to dodge some of the thorny issues that hampered his first overseas visit: missile defense, global warming and the gnawing perception among U.S. allies that Bush ignores their pleas with a go-it-alone approach to foreign policy.

To French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine, it is a ``unilateralist mindset.''

``We must hope that this trip ... will help the American administration evolve toward more negotiating and openness to our points of view,'' Vedrine said in advance of the president's seven-day trip - beginning Wednesday - to Britain, Italy and Kosovo.

Unlike that first trip, when Bush toured five nations in five days, the president is easing his way into action. He arrives in London on Wednesday night and gets some sleep, then goes sightseeing Thursday before meeting the queen and Prince Philip at Buckingham Palace.

That evening, he meets with Prime Minister Tony Blair at his country estate, Chequers.

Though the closest of U.S. allies, even Britain declined last week to support setting aside the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty to make way for Bush's missile defense system.

The issue will shadow Bush the next three days in Genoa, Italy, where he attends a summit of the world's seven wealthiest nations, plus Russia.

Because many oppose his missile shield plan, Bush hopes to shift focus to:

Trade. Advisers predict summit participants will seek a new round of global trade talks.

AIDS. An international AIDS fund, started by the United States with a $200 million pledge, could top $1 billion after donations from other nations and groups are combined at the summit, according to administration officials speaking on condition of anonymity.

Poverty. The president's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, said the AIDS proposal is critical to alleviating poverty in developing countries. The United States is expected to also push for an increase in World Bank grants, as opposed to loans, for nations in need, the administration officials said.

Organizers are bracing for thousands of protesters against globalization, poverty and other issues. Inside the secure zones, Bush plans to argue that wealthy nations have a moral imperative to fight poverty by promoting economic development and trade.

He might get feisty. In early drafts of one Bush speech, the president suggests that the protesters do not speak for the poor, U.S. sources said.

Also in Genoa, he meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin - the second in a series of sessions this year that Bush hopes will thaw Moscow's objections to his missile shield dreams.

Despite talk of compromise during his first meeting with Bush, Putin has continued to warn the United States against scrapping the arms control treaty.

Aides expect the pair to announce a schedule for future meetings between their ministers, including top military advisers, aimed at closing differences.

Predicting no major breakthroughs in Genoa, Rice said, ``They're going to try to move the ball forward.''

On global warming, Bush hoped to blunt widespread criticism for his rejection of a 1997 international climate change treaty by pledging last week to spend nearly $200 million on research.

Junichiro Koizumi, the popular new Japanese prime minister, may emerge as a mediator between the United States and its European allies during the Genoa summit.

Though Japan supports the treaty, Koizumi said during his recent Camp David meeting with Bush that Japan does not want to go forward without the United States.
A task force report prepared in advance of the summit urges the leaders to phase out subsidies for fossil fuels and devote more money for nonpolluting energy sources such as wind, water and solar power.

Such a plan opposed by the White House, based on the president's desire to let the market determine how quickly renewable energy sources are adopted worldwide and his belief that many developing countries are not ready to make the quick transition from fossil fuels.

Objections to the phase-out from the United States and perhaps Canada would likely keep it from the summit's final communique, U.S. officials said. But they said the communique was expected to include language, supported by the Bush administration, that strongly embraces the expanded use of renewable energy.

From Genoa, Bush goes to Rome, where he will meet Italian leaders, and then to the papal retreat, Castel Gandolfo. Bush is trying to decide whether to fund embryonic stem cell research, which the Catholic hierarchy staunchly opposes.

His last stop is Pristina, Kosovo, for an update on peacekeeping operations and lunch with the troops at Camp Bondsteel.

Analysts such as Antony Blinken, chief European adviser to President Clinton, said Bush's first trip was a modest success. He left a favorable impression with foreign leaders, even as they vented their differences.

On his second lap of Europe, Bush hopes to avoid the small mistakes of his maiden trip - he mispronounced the name of Spain's prime minister - as well as the larger ones. His own aides winced when Bush said he looked into Putin's soul and saw a wellspring of trust.

``That wasn't exactly a confidence-building statement,'' said Steven Wayne, a presidential scholar at Georgetown University. ``It made Americans question whether he understood the complicated, nuanced aspects of foreign policy.''
 
Liz is one hard nosed bitch and she'll make george sweat a little but in the nicest way.
 
King George???? I thought we got rid of King George a couple hundred years ago.

OH, you mean the President. But wouldn't he be George II?
 
He's a fucking cheeky sod...

Not being able to come up with anything positive himself in Foreign Affairs he's stolen policies that are already in existence and claims them for his own.

So good old George is going to rally the world's richest nations to fight AIDS, poverty and economic isolationism. Either he's living on a different planet to me or he doesn't read the newspapers. What exactly does he think the rest of us are doing already? And it's a bit rich him telling us to fight economic isolationism

I think he should get it into his skull that Europe isn't pleading with him to abandon his go-it-alone approach to foreign policy, we're warning him to abandon it. Or is it a case that in Texas subtelty is not in the vocabulary and any comment made in that manner is only taken at its face value and is therefore only recognised as a sign of weakness. Just because we say don't do that Mr President or don't do this Mr President he has somehow got the idea that Europe will be shaking in its collective shoes if he goes ahead and does it anyway.

Well it's a bit late to teach him differently now. Unfortunately it's also a bit late for America. He really is in great danger of dragging your country into a quagmire of confusion.

As the French Foreign Minister, Hubert Vedrine says, "We must hope that this trip ... will help the American administration evolve toward more negotiating and openness to our points of view,''

So he might get feisty eh? And suggest that the protestors against globalisation who will be waiting for him, do not speak for the poor. I haven't heard yet that they claim to do so. Another piece of speechifying from Bush's Press Centre?

And is it really the best of moves to try and thaw Putin's objection to his defence shield just days after launching the first test. Diplomacy it ain't, threatening posturing it is.

So he's magnamanously going to pledge 200 million dollars into research of global warning! Hasn't anybody told poor George that it would be far cheaper for America to include itself in the current research program. Or is this is just another chance for him to say at some future date, probably when he's up for re-election, that America has done this or America has done that. Another slice of Bush's personality which adds fuel to Europe's dislike of the man.

And this bit has just got to be a joke " A task force report prepared in advance of the summit urges the leaders to phase out subsidies for fossil fuels and devote more money for nonpolluting energy sources such as wind, water and solar power". Hey George what do you want to do claim credit for converting the world to renewable energy sources?

Well this trip, like the last, just looks like another exercise for home consumption. I suppose we're going to see the usual headlines of "Bush winning over Europe", "Bush lunches with the Queen of England", Bush's persuasive arguments win the day", after this fence building trip ( the first coffee and cakes "summit" not being all that successful).

Well at least us Europeans (and I'm talking about the man in the street here who, like ordinary folk everywhere, doesn't have a great deal of interest in global events) is beginning to recognise who he is and call him derisory names over their pints of bitter.

And there's a lot of power in ordinary people muttering insults over their beer. It can become an unstoppable force. But by then Bush will probably have you all locked up behind your missile defensive shield. Impotent and alone...
 
I've just realised something...

Have you noticed how much our George resembles Kryton in Red Dwarf?

The same square, chiselled features.

The same lost, bemused look.

The same running around in ever decreasing circles.

The same eager to please attitude towards his masters.

That revelation explains quite a bit...
 
p_p_man

Perhaps he returns to reming you that you are but bit players and it time to stop fretting to and fro as he holds the Queen's hand and assures her, "Yes, ma'am, when the bad guys come again, and they will, we'll still be there to keep you safe at night. Don't worry your pretty little head, Majesty. Here try some beef jerky. It's good, you'll like it. Made it myself out of Jeb's herd."
 
Ah, yes. At one time the sun never set on the British Empire. Now it rarely shines. Impotent and alone, they huddle with Europe to regain a drop of testosterone. While you may hate Bush, the US will survive him. And perhaps we'll have another socialist to play the sax till dawn so once again you'll find joy in your pints of bitter.

Kryton in Red Dwarf? And I though you were above insults. Of course, Prince Charles ears could be an early warning missile defense system. We could use a guy like that across the pond.
 
Meow!

Oh, forgot. Testosterone!

ROAR! ROAR!

Pave the UK as the USS Great Britan, worlds largest fixed aircraft carrier, casino, and Theme Park!





But we will protect them during the next Jihad. But the ragheads can have Europe!




TIC!




Please don't p_p_ on me!
 
Re: Meow!

Andra_Jenny said:
Oh, forgot. Testosterone!

ROAR! ROAR!

Pave the UK as the USS Great Britan, worlds largest fixed aircraft carrier, casino, and Theme Park!


That's pretty scary AJ, but when you think about it, Walt Disney probably has a better health plan than the UK government. They'll slowly warm up to the idea.
 
Hey that's my phrase...

WriterDom said:
"Impotent and alone."

and as for Charley's ears...

Kryton in Red Dwarf? And I though you were above insults. Of course, Prince Charles ears could be an early warning missile defense system. We could use a guy like that across the pond.

Nobody's above insults if they feel like dishing out a few and to me politicians are always fair game for a bit of mud slinging, and Bush is more fair game than most.

I have no pity. It's his own fault. He's setting the agenda. If the agenda is so mind boggling as to defy description who can blame us for pointing the odd finger and laughing our heads off. Don't forget he hasn't retracted his promise to defend Taiwan "by whatever it takes" yet. That's going to be fun to follow in the months to come.

And as for Charley's ears. They've been likened to handles for the Ladies to hang onto in moments of orgasm (although I find that improbable looking at Charles). Not the ears they're obvious enough but that he can create enough passion in someone to bring on an orgasm. They have also been compared to air brakes, acting like parachutes for when he played polo. It's rumoured that he could stop his pony on a sixpence but we all thought it was because the animal just got fed up with the game and wanted to go home.

But the real truth is now out in these dark days of rolling blackouts, withdrawal from Kyoto, and Bush's plans to single handedly dig up the world. They are being used to test a proto-type of a new wind harnessing energy creator which is going to go into production sometime in 2005. It's based on the theory that as the ears flap under wind pressure the energy created is more effective and can be more readily harnessed than the usual wind sail design.

The working name for the machine is Windsor the Windsock.

More details are due to be released in two years time.
 
Ok lets see now....

"The Empire":- died quietly after a long illness just after WW2 and no one born since has much of an idea about it now anyway, so how come we're still up in the top league of countries if it was only our empire that held us up, I wonder could it be it's because we're still one of the great trading nations of the world, the mother of parliments, the founder of the industrial revolution..?

"Your only a little island":- just like Japan who are also doing rather well on the whole and another of the top league nation's, being small also means being nimble and ready to accept change and move with the times, the USA is HUGE country and has a lot resources to use but sometimes small is beautiful.

"We had to save you in WW2":- you wouldn't have even got into WW2 if it hadn't been for Pearl Harbour, the USA would have sat and watched Hitler take Europe apart and murder even more Jews/Gypsie's/Gay's/Mentaly ill people if it hadn't been for the Japanese attack, so go talk to your great granparents and ask them why they were willing to watch millions die untill the Japanese changed their minds about that "nice Mr Hitler" and have you noticed that when you don't have the UK fighting beside you in major conflict's you seem to fall over your own knickers, perhaps if you'd have had a little more "what ho" and a little less "gung ho" you might have beaten the VC.

"The UK's fading glory":- you guys really need to get out more often, the UK just like the rest of europe is just as modern as any first world country, we may not be perfect (lord knows we're not perfect) but we're as good as it get's any place and that includes the USA, you may think "quaint" or "old world" when you here the word England or UK but just like Hollywood films that always show London as "foggy" you'd be wrong, remember only 10% of Americans have a passport and even GW Bush had only been abroard a couple of times before becoming president, you guy's need to stop being so smug, no place is perfect as I've said and you don't have the market cornered on all the good things in life.


GROW UP AND SEE THE BIG PICTURE.
 
Way to go Outsider!

What he said...

The Empire Strikes Back!
 
This is a good, fightin' thread!

Great points (and barbs) by both sides, here.

I think WriterDom and AJ are a bit frustrated with PPman, who it seems will never be happy with anything Bush does. So you don't like his stance on Kyoto or National Missile Defense - that's fine. You have solid reasons.

But here's an article outlining Bush's approach to make a number of compromises: advocacy for making AIDS drugs more readily available to hard-hit 3rd world nations, funding for global warming research, and more global trade.

Isn't Bush finally heeding Europe's "warning", PP? ;)

Outsider: you make a lot of great points, but do you really think Britain was fighting WWII to save the jews, gypsies, and gays?? You make it seem like the war was Kosovo part I or something. LOL! Churchill had knowledge of some of what was going on in the concentration camps and did virtually zero about it. Neville Chamberlain laid down to Hitler and do Britain did nothing to try to stop the Nazis until they started blitzkrieging through Europe with their eye on France and Britain itself.

Britain was at least as self-interested as the US. I don't t blame y'all. You almost at the absolute limit - close to being invaded. You didn't have much energy to spare fighting for anyone but yourselves, much less minority groups you didn't particularly care for either.
 
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Re: He's a fucking cheeky sod...

p_p_man said:
Not being able to come up with anything positive himself in Foreign Affairs he's stolen policies that are already in existence and claims them for his own.

Hey, it worked beautifully for Tony Blair!:p
 
The Japanese wouldn't have been so Spunky

If China were stronger instead of having been bled to death by the British Colonial Empire,

If Britan's Chaimberlain hadn't of been sending wussy boy signals all over the world to every two-bit thug with a standing army,

and if the French could have just made one stand somewhere, anywhere in the previous century. Imean, WWI, II, Dien Bien Phu...
 
Re: The Japanese wouldn't have been so Spunky

Andra_Jenny said:
If China were stronger instead of having been bled to death by the British Colonial Empire,

If Britan's Chaimberlain hadn't of been sending wussy boy signals all over the world to every two-bit thug with a standing army,

and if the French could have just made one stand somewhere, anywhere in the previous century. Imean, WWI, II, Dien Bien Phu...


"Yeah and if my aunty had bollocks she'd be my uncle", no one is perfect and if look close enough you'll find the skeletons in every nations closet.
 
Oliver Clozoff said:
This is a good, fightin' thread!

Great points (and barbs) by both sides, here.

I think WriterDom and AJ are a bit frustrated with PPman, who it seems will never be happy with anything Bush does. So you don't like his stance on Kyoto or National Missile Defense - that's fine. You have solid reasons.

But here's an article outlining Bush's approach to make a number of compromises: advocacy for making AIDS drugs more readily available to hard-hit 3rd world nations, funding for global warming research, and more global trade.

Isn't Bush finally heeding Europe's "warning", PP? ;)

Outsider: you make a lot of great points, but do you really think Britain was fighting WWII to save the jews, gypsies, and gays?? You make it seem like the war was Kosovo part I or something. LOL! Churchill had knowledge of some of what was going on in the concentration camps and did virtually zero about it. Neville Chamberlain laid down to Hitler and do Britain did nothing to try to stop the Nazis until they started blitzkrieging through Europe with their eye on France and Britain itself.

Britain was at least as self-interested as the US. I don't t blame y'all. You almost at the absolute limit - close to being invaded. You didn't have much energy to spare fighting for anyone but yourselves, much less minority groups you didn't particularly care for either.


Churchill knew more than I think any of us will ever know and I think thats all we can say about that.

Britain never got into WW2 because of the Jews/gypsies/gay's or anybody else, we got into WW2 cause we knew we were next on Hitlers list and cause Churchill didn't like him much.

The reason I wrote my first post was because I was seeing a lot of BS about the UK from people who've only ever seen the place on film (we've all done it but it still burn's my ass), the WW2 stuff is cause we always hear Americans say how "they" won the war and seem to forget that it was a "WORLD" war and a lot of people died fighting that war not just Americans.
 
Re: p_p_man

Andra_Jenny said:
Perhaps he returns to reming you that you are but bit players and it time to stop fretting to and fro as he holds the Queen's hand and assures her, "Yes, ma'am, when the bad guys come again, and they will, we'll still be there to keep you safe at night. Don't worry your pretty little head, Majesty. Here try some beef jerky. It's good, you'll like it. Made it myself out of Jeb's herd."

I only hope he makes a firm commitment not to be late this time, not to try and fight the foe in broad daylight, like the Flying Fortress debacle over Germany and not to let thousands of tons of shipping and hundreds of merchant sailors die up and down the Eastern seaboard (within sight of the coast) because the general (admiral?) appointed to head the safety of shipping just didn't listen to us Brits about the safety of convoys.

And when he's made that promise he could also add that contrary to popular belief most Americans don't think John Wayne was a war hero, that they also know that the capture of the crucial Enigma de-coding machine taken from a stricken U-Boat was a British operation, despite the film from Hollywood that came out about two years ago depicting it as an an entirely American exercise, and that the hysteria, criticism of America invokes in certain people, is only a result of their oft spoken, but rarely practiced belief in free speech, and that the majority don't really get their history from Hollywood or comic books.

And after he's done all that he can then apologise for America sending the entire might of its military forces to invade the tiny island of Grenada (a British territory in the Caribbean) without any right, authority or permission to do so because they thought the island was going communist. (By the way what is the problem with America and Communism?). An invasion you actually won by yourselves. Pity you couldn't carry it through to Sierra Leone a few years later!

And finally maybe he could make a pledge that the USA will pay it's bills to the United Nations and stop using it like it's a peronal extension of America. And when you get kicked off certain committees stop creating so much loud indignation as if you have a right to be there.

And then, but only then, Elizabeth might invite him back again.

Whew...

How was that Outsider?
 
P_P_Man, "the boy done good", but the Yanks are gonna flame your ass son, better get in the Anderson shelter :D
 
It's OK...

I've just spread some glue across my upper lip, unpacked my Union Jack for the duration, and am in my foxhole facing due West...

Yeeeehaaaaw!
 
Re: It's OK...

p_p_man said:
I've just spread some glue across my upper lip, unpacked my Union Jack for the duration, and am in my foxhole facing due West...

Yeeeehaaaaw!

"They don't like it up em captain Mainwearing" :D
 
We had over 1000 students in Grenada. We should have sent you a bill for kicking the Cubans out. If we had waited for the Crown to take action, you probably would have started war with Cuba. Considering it took 72 days to defeat Argentina, you still be fighting . The problem with Communism? Have you ever seen a Super Walmart in a communist country?
 
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