Killing a Baby must not be important

[Woodmiester]

I wouldn't trade the country I live in for any other, but the people of my great nation are becoming sheeps and not giving a damn about it. When is this stupidity going to stop and how many more babies need to be killed before something is done about it.
This news is public record and maybe you don't want to hear about it, I don't really care if you do or not, this was just wrong in so many damn ways with the outcome.
For those that like to flame and bash America and want to use this to flame somemore, fuck off and keep your own I hate this and I hate that threads moving

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Man gets 3 years in son's shaking death
Apologizes in court to boy's mother, her family

By Rob Modic
e-mail address: rob_modic@coxohio.com
Dayton Daily News

A judge sentenced a 19-year-old man to three years in prison Wednesday, the minimum possible term, in the Dec. 20 shaking death of his 6-week-old son.

Charles A. Andrews wept in front of Judge Michael Tucker as he offered apologies to his son’s mother, Deanna Duncan, and her family.

"I’ll trade everything just to have my son back," Andrews said through his sobs in Montgomery County Common Pleas Court.

Seconds earlier, Duncan told Tucker, "The boy was so precious and sweet for the short time that I had him. It was great."

And to her son’s father, Duncan said, "I would say hopefully you think twice before you react."

Andrews pleaded guilty July 3 to involuntary manslaughter in the death of Charles A. Andrews III.

Andrews told investigators he had been watching the baby, along with a toddler and a 5-year-old, while the infant's mother was shopping with her mother.

The infant died Feb. 12 at Children's Medical Center.

Julie Kraft, assistant county prosecutor and chief of the child abuse bureau, asked for more than the minimum prison sentence.

"The defendant stated that the baby had been fussy all day and that the two other children had been acting up," Kraft wrote in a memorandum to the judge. "The defendant stated that he lost his temper and his patience. The defendant admitted that he picked Charles up and started shaking him, that he shook him several times. In his written statement, the defendant added that he grabbed the baby by the neck."

Andrews told police the baby’s eyes rolled back into his head and he started gasping, stopped crying and then stopped breathing, Kraft said. Andrews demonstrated what he had done on a life-sized doll while police recorded him on videotape, Kraft said.

Andrews’ attorney, Charles G. Andrews of the county public defender office (no relation to the defendant), asked for probation.

The 19-year-old has been receiving psychiatric care and has been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and anxiety disorder, the defense attorney said in a memorandum to the court.

Tucker said the issues in the case tugged at him so strongly that he waited until each participant addressed him before deciding whether to impose the minimum prison sentence or a longer term. He even allowed the defendant’s father, Charles A. Andrews Sr., to make a statement on his son’s behalf.

Tucker said Andrews’ lack of a prior criminal record and lack of other negative factors supported his conclusion to impose the minimum.

"I know it was not your intent to take your son’s life," Tucker said, "but I cannot overlook the fact that your acts caused your son’s death . . . there are consequences to actions."

Attorney Andrews said he would seek an early judicial release from Tucker after his client served six months in prison.


Contact Rob Modic at 225-2282 or rob_modic@coxohio.com

[From the Dayton Daily News: 08.15.2002]

 

[sufisaint]

If this family does not seem to mind that they kill their own children so be it( as long as this monster is not a threat to others beyond his family)....but what the Court should is sterlize both of them...mother and father so no other soul has to be treated so horribly.

 

[Woodmiester]

If this family does not seem to mind that they kill their own children so be it( as long as this monster is not a threat to others beyond his family)....but what the Court should is sterlize both of them...mother and father so no other soul has to be treated so horribly.

Thanks for your comment suficaint and for taking notice that more than one has to answer for this waste of space's crime. Yes they both need to be sterlized at the least and there's been talk of that but only talk because we're becoming a nation of sheep. Throw out some food, give us our tv's and make sure we can connect onto the net and we're happy, do as you want. Bullshit. It's We the People not we the select few and it's time the We tell Them what We want done and how it's to be done....
But no, we'll read these stories, we'll see this thread, maybe ever say how sad, then on we go

Thanks again

 

[TWB]

Man, there are so many baby victims, and our justice system is often not just.

Part of sentencing is deterrence, part is punishment, and part is rehabilitiation. The judge probably thought the second and third were already met by this guy's guilt, and thus the light sentence. He also has the wife and other child to support, and that doesn't work too well from jail.

Recently here a white middle aged man forgot he had his 1 year old with him, he went to work preoccupied with a meeting he was presenting at and the baby baked in the car.

Last year a poor black woman left her child asleep and alone while she went to work late at night while a relative was on her way over to look after the child. She was scared that if she was late to work she would be fired. Before the relative got there the young child crawled out a window and fell to his death.

I believe that she was prosecuted. It does not look like the first guy will be.

Death by shaking/choking is obviously more of an overt act than either of these peoples' offenses, but I look at these headlines with regard to the person's race and socioeconomic status, and I see totally different outcomes.

 

[badbabysitter]

Ah the irony of democracy

Ya see... if you want it to work you gotta let the people decide...but if you let the mass decide the rights of the individual get walked all over. So before you take to the streets in a lynch mob ..just remeber thats the way Nazi germany came to be and so did Communist Russia

 

[Woodmiester]

I'll agree, too many times race and background might play a part but once again, we are letting it. We get mad abuot it but what do we do? We bitch and that's about it because of what? Worried what or "friends" might call us if we side with another race?
I've never posted in anger before and I don't like how I'm feeling but this is nuts is it not? We're always sorry for this and that but I've never owned a slave, my parents never owned any nor my grandpartents or those before them and even if they did that wasn't me and it isn't now, and I'll be damn if I'll be sorry for what didn't take place within my control or time.

Thanks for your comments TWB

 

[Woodmiester]

Ah the irony of democracy

Ya see... if you want it to work you gotta let the people decide...but if you let the mass decide the rights of the individual get walked all over. So before you take to the streets in a lynch mob ..just remeber thats the way Nazi germany came to be and so did Communist Russia

Did I mention taking to the streets? No. Did I even suggest any such thing? No.
I'm talking about elected official that we as a democracy elect to carry out their duties. They campaign for our votes and we put them there, thus, it's our voice. But once there they do as they wish if we allow it by keeping our mouths shut. That's also how nazi germany and communist came out, their people were sheep.

 

[badbabysitter]

What the fuck did TWB's post have to do with race...it could have been any womans child..

As for democracy..in the states you have a two party system...thats not demcracy , thats being able to chose between two idjits

But look at the wonderful ability to protest, to speak your mind freely, ...only through the free dissemination of information , the ability to gather and make your voice known

How much longer would have it taken if Rosa parks decided she didnt want to sit in the back of the bus

or those smelly hippies, making Vietnam rather unpopular

or martin luther King Jr telling the world about his dream

or a little indian man saying non-violence was the only path to revolution

or a bunch of white upper middle class slave owning males who didnt want to pay their taxes anymore, dumping tea into a harbour

 

[TWB]

babysitter:

He was referring to the post's mention of race as being a disperate factor in sentencing and prosecution in negligent and intentional baby death cases.

Protest can work well.

 

[Woodmiester]

white middle aged man

poor black woman

but I look at these headlines with regard to the person's race and socioeconomic status, and I see totally different outcomes.

Do I need say more as to why in answer to your first remark other than he made a valid statement and I made a comment back on my feeling of such?

Making a choice is taking action, for the good of all we hope.
dissemination of information is what I did putting it before this body amd giving my .02 worth on what happened in this particular city just as it does in far too many others, just this time when I read this it pissed me off maybe more than others, okay?
Rosa Parks decided to do that on her own? Ya think?
I almost became one of those smelly hippies, till I stopped being a sheep and used myself to figure what was right and wrong.
And oh yes, the Martin Luther King Jr card, always a good one to pull out, what about him?
And a little indian man, okay, you got me there, I don't recall the story

I'm not sure if your upset with me or not, and it really doesn't matter this thread wasn't started to draw one out. Your young I see from your bio, maybe you can take on some of the wrongs there are and have a long time to make a difference, thanks for your viewpoints

 

[lilrosie lips]

I think the little "Indian Man" refers to Mahatma Gandhi, who I believe was an Indian, from India, who carried out his peaceful non-violent protests half a world away from the US.

As for the original subject of this thread I agree with Woody, that killing anyone (even your own child) is a crime. I don't see much difference in the long run between a kidnapper/murderer and a abusive or neglegent parent or caretaker.

Maybe its about time that we treated the abusive and the negligent like the criminals they are.

And don't go there about past traumas and abuses of the perpetrators. Unless you have a true mental defect that does not allow you to know right from wrong, I have no sympathy for those who do not take responsibility for their own actions. I think its a cop out and a bunch of b/s.

Thats my 2 cents

 

[Guest]

Come on, guys. The guy said sorry...