Jungle love?

[Guest]

Tugari, please excuse my impertinence, but after reading your ripostes, and given all you seem to know about apes, go write your story! I will read it.

Perdita

 

[alice_underneath]

Tugari, please excuse my impertinence, but after reading your ripostes, and given all you seem to know about apes, go write your story! I will read it.

Me too.

Alice

 

[Tugari]

working on it now

actually, I'm workin gon it. I have several with similar subject matter.

Here's one, though. I have a non-human female (elf-like) in a sexual relationship with sentient (tribal) gorilla in an ancient-future setting. Do you think that would be considered a no no? After all, she's not human . . .right?

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I'm not sure this theory applies in my case. Of course, I'm not sure how typical I am, either!

Though I have no experience with it, the concept of a D/s relationship has tremendous appeal to me. But the appeal does not stem from a desire to tame the guy. On the contrary, I would want him to "un-tame" me.

Take away my responsibility for what is happening and, in doing so, set me free from the bounds of propriety. Release me from the expectation of respectability and lady-like behavior that society imposes on me and I impose upon myself. Take me away from the strictures of "decent" or civilized behavior.... to a place where I can be wild, passionate, and unrestrained in expressing my sexuality.

Alice

Oh yes. I totally agree. I don't want to turn this into a BDSM thread, and the whole BDSM dynamic is terribly rich and complex and subject to all sorts of analyses, but I think a significant part of the thrill is the tension between the dom's carefully constrained bestial passion on the one hand (the violence and subjugation), and his/her human love and tenderness on the other.

For your part, it's Beauty and the Beast reversed. As he struggles to balance his beast with his humanness, he sets your beast free. That's kind of the Sleeping Beauty archetype--the woman aroused by the man's passion.

Wasn't there a movie a long time ago called The Cat People about women who, in moments of high passion, turned into tigers or leopards and devoured their lovers? That's an interesting reverse on the Beauty & the Beast archetype too, and also plays on a man's fear of a woman's sexuality.

But getting back to our fascination with animals, it reminds me of something I heard once about the animal-headed gods of ancient Egypt. The author said that what the Egyptians were trying to express by having a god with the head of a hawk or a jackal or a hippo was not that they thought their gods looked like that, but that the gods embodied that kind of spirit. So Horus embodied the soaring, regal qualities of the falcon, Anubis the canny doggedness of the jackal, and so on. Even then we looked to animals to express things we couldn't say any other way.

 

[impressive]

Take away my responsibility for what is happening and, in doing so, set me free from the bounds of propriety. Release me from the expectation of respectability and lady-like behavior that society imposes on me and I impose upon myself. Take me away from the strictures of "decent" or civilized behavior.... to a place where I can be wild, passionate, and unrestrained in expressing my sexuality.

Yup - that's what I said (or intended to say).

 

[alice_underneath]

Yup - that's what I said (or intended to say).

It's exactly the same point you made when you wrote:

I think a lot of that fascination has to do with the primal nature of it. Non-human animals are not constrained by "proper" behavior. If they feel the urge, they fuck (or fight to fuck) rather than suppress the urge. We humans are taught (implicity or explicitly) to fight those urges except in controlled circumstances.

It is understandable to me that there would be an allure to scenarios which shed those mores -- along the lines of getting "permission" (via D/s or other means) to be "slutty."

The only reason I tried to explain it a different way is that I thought Dr. Mabeuse had misunderstood or brushed off your point.

From his response to me, though, I can see that he did understand.... but was simply offering a different twist on the BDSM dynamic.

Alice

 

[impressive]

The only reason I tried to explain it a different way is that I thought Dr. Mabeuse had misunderstood or brushed off your point.

Naw, he gets me. He just doesn't want anyone else to know that.

 

[BlackShanglan]

In basic, the ability to paint any reaction from your protag and have a reader accept it, is a measure of your skill and not of preset conceptual ideas. the incest cat is filled with scenarios rangeing from highly unlikely to just plain out there, but the readership is willing to suspend disbelief for the sake of their enjoyment and some writers are ale to portray reactions that you would normally say, imposible to, credibly.

May I tell you again how much I adore you for pointing this out so lucidly in an earlier PM?

AS other's have noted, Lit dosen't accept stories of this nature, no matter how well done.

*nod* Unless you're willing to imply that he's a special gorilla who's crossed the line to human intelligence - might get away with that. I did that with my story and had no trouble, bless the editors' wonderful and perceant judgement.

Originally Posted by dr_mabeuse
I think there's a lot more eroticism in our fascination with animals than we like to admit.

I agree, and I do agree with your coments suggesting that there are tropes of power and primality at work there. I would also suggest that there are tactile elements as well. Fur feels nice. I'm not excited by animals, but I could be very excited by a sleek silky intelligent person.

Shanglan

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Ok - I tried this question on the general forum, but that was a mistake because I thought I would actually get an honest response without to much comedy - so - within the context of a story (erotic fantasy-fiction) of course, I wanted people (women, especially, considering it's a women character) to answer if they could ever, have ever had a sexual attraction toward male gorillas (silverbacks) fictionally or otherwise. (Now mind you - I said, sexual attraction - Not actual sexual relationship - but if you want to add that - I guess you can.) This is not a stereotypical B-movie gorilla setting - (Gorillas do not rape, or abduct women to force sex upon them . . . in fact, its the females that do the seducing, by the way)

If I recall, there was a woman's sexual fantasy published in one of the Nancy Friday books about a gorilla. I don't think this is uncommon at all. A lot of people are attracted to large powerful animals. A friend of mine has a thing for bulls, stallions and rhinos even. She explained to me that she was attracted to strength, speed, agression....

I swore I wouldn't make any jokes like "gorilla my dreams" or any reference to Morris Day and the Time songs.

 

[Guest]

Not too odd a tangent I think: How about the thing so many pre-adolescent girls have for horses? I came to it late (see below), but I recall young gal pals who were obsessed with horses (had figures of them, made 'em prance, smooch, etc.)

I became very enamoured of a shire horse in Haworth, Yorkshire over a year ago. Before then I'd never given horses (no offense, Shang) any thought. Didn't see or want to see The Horse Whisperer, Black Beauty, etc. But, I have enlarged photographs of Shem on my wall at work, and at home (yes, I named him, and his partner at the time, Shaun).

For a year I missed him like a person. When I returned this past December he was not there but a new stallion took my heart. We spent a long time next to each other with an old stone wall between us and I fed him thistle branches and talked to him like a friend. Even as I fed him I took photos, including close-ups of his enormous penis (at bay). What was THAT about?

Perdita

 

[BlackShanglan]

What was THAT about?

his enormous penis

Just a guess.

Seriously, I think the usual pseudo-Freudian answer is that horses represent powerful sexuality to many humans. Or possibly you just love our velvet noses and big dark shining eyes.

 

[Guest]

Just a guess.

Ah ha ha, good guess (plus that particular countryside brings out everything sensual in me).

I honestly do not recall Shem's penis, i.e., the new stud's dick was just so 'out there' (and silhouetted against a background of snow!) But it's their faces that get me, the eyes and those lashes. And their manes (I do like long haired men ).

Perdita

 

[impressive]

... or any reference to Morris Day and the Time songs.

Oh-wee-oh-wee-oh ...

 

[OhMissScarlett]

Oh-wee-oh-wee-oh ...

*does a little dance* Thank You!

 

[Tugari]

I think a lot of that fascination has to do with the primal nature of it. Non-human animals are not constrained by "proper" behavior. If they feel the urge, they fuck (or fight to fuck) rather than suppress the urge. We humans are taught (implicity or explicitly) to fight those urges except in controlled circumstances.

It is understandable to me that there would be an allure to scenarios which shed those mores -- along the lines of getting "permission" (via D/s or other means) to be "slutty."

Actually - I'm feeling that my story /stories are sort of a direct opposite - in that humans are actually the uncontrolled, "animalistic" beings that rarely supress their urges (and there is a tremendous amount of evidence to support that) and that the animals (gorillas in this case) actaully have rules, "proper" behavior and can (and have been known ) to easily supress their urge, even stopping it at once, if need be. In other words, mankind can learn alot from the animals - and that being an animal is not "being an animal." Humans are so quick to use animals at dark or unruley metaphors, but the reality is, it's more likely that mankind is the darkest of metaphor and that animals - (God-driven creatures) know better. Scientifically, we know animals do not boast evil intentions. Religiously, animals are God's first creations, and whether or not you believe they have a soul, they must be holy, under God's eye. So why then, does mankind constantly strive to depict animals (and I'm still on gorillas, here) as savage, brutal and monstrous? It may be because certain animals challenge mankind's ego? Maybe they reflect back what mankind sees in himself?

 

[BlackShanglan]

Actually - I'm feeling that my story /stories are sort of a direct opposite - in that humans are actually the uncontrolled, "animalistic" beings that rarely supress their urges (and there is a tremendous amount of evidence to support that) and that the animals (gorillas in this case) actaully have rules, "proper" behavior and can (and have been known ) to easily supress their urge, even stopping it at once, if need be. In other words, mankind can learn alot from the animals - and that being an animal is not "being an animal." Humans are so quick to use animals at dark or unruley metaphors, but the reality is, it's more likely that mankind is the darkest of metaphor and that animals - (God-driven creatures) know better. Scientifically, we know animals do not boast evil intentions. Religiously, animals are God's first creations, and whether or not you believe they have a soul, they must be holy, under God's eye. So why then, does mankind constantly strive to depict animals (and I'm still on gorillas, here) as savage, brutal and monstrous? It may be because certain animals challenge mankind's ego? Maybe they reflect back what mankind sees in himself?

Mmmm. I love your take on this. Please do write the story. I'm very interested in seeing it.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Ok - I tried this question on the general forum, but that was a mistake because I thought I would actually get an honest response without to much comedy - so - within the context of a story (erotic fantasy-fiction) of course, I wanted people (women, especially, considering it's a women character) to answer if they could ever, have ever had a sexual attraction toward male gorillas (silverbacks) fictionally or otherwise. (Now mind you - I said, sexual attraction - Not actual sexual relationship - but if you want to add that - I guess you can.) This is not a stereotypical B-movie gorilla setting - (Gorillas do not rape, or abduct women to force sex upon them . . . in fact, its the females that do the seducing, by the way)

No, I couldn't get sexually attracted to a gorilla. I'm very square in my sexuality and only go for members of my own species.