Juicylips

[modest mouse]

Prologue: This is in reference to the following two threads:

modest mouse's 'revelation'

Juicylips' response

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All that thread did was piss me off.

Juicylips,

You have every right to be pissed off and any anger directed at myself is warranted. I am going to attempt to shed some light on this but the bottom line is you had to deal with PMs and the like regarding my thread; the invasion of your time and space was, and is, unfair. I am sorry for that, honestly.

When I posted the thread it was as a lark, a laugh on a boring board. Why did I choose your name? It wasnt to single you out but simply that you seemed a ludicrous personality switch for myself. Surely I did not think anyone would believe us to be one person...the sweet, flirty, light-hearted woman being the same as the arrogant, combative, boorish man? I dont think so.

After posting the thread, I received several PMs of laughter. When I left the board the responses to the thread were from those having a laugh, I had no indication it would be taken as an actual 'revelation'. If I had, I would have nipped it in the bud.

I would have thought if you followed my posts it was so fucking obvious that it was a lie.

Am amazed how many people were genuinely confused.

Correct me if I am wrong, but these words from your thread tell me you knew it was such an unlikely suggestion(on my part) that it should never have been taken seriously. In my eyes, your true anger is that anyone, particularly those you communicate with off the board, would ever belive my thread. I'll address this a bit later.

In reading both threads, it seems the overwhelming number of people knew it to be untrue, and either let it alone or had a simple chuckle.

There seems to be some edits towards the beginning of each thread, so I am unclear as to how, exactly, you reaction evolved. I received a PM from you but you apparently cancelled it and I am no longer privy to reading it. I would have PMd you before this thread but Im not sure that you care to be contacted. Please PM me to discuss this in any way you like, or open the discussion here if so inclined.

modest mouse

 

[Rick DeVille]

How fucking weak. That stupid Vanilla crap went on for 3 days and you couldn't spin this out a bit longer?
This was at least fun.

 

[modest mouse]

Addressing other components of the two threads.

To anyone that was 'fooled' by my thread:

You either dont know much of myself or juicylips and therefore can either enjoy a laugh or forget about it. You couldnt be expected to know what was going on and also couldnt take offense.

To those that DO know myself(I suspect anyone who knows me never took it seriously) or juicylips, please employ critical thinking in the future.

To the few that are freinds with juicylips and were taken aback by their fear I may have been the holder of their secrets; I am , frankly, extremely surprised by your reaction. You are, essentially, telling me that you entrusted someone with deep, dark personal information but do not know the 'freind' well enough to discern their gender, or that they are perhaps someone else. You should feel fortunate this was a joke, in the future be more careful to whom you confide.

I have shared, what I would consider deeply personal, information and feelings with people I have met online, including member(s) of this board. If I was comfortable enough, trusting enough, to do so...I would hope I can be certain they are not posing as a friend to solicit info from myself.

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As far as the idea that this was a 'prank'; I think that is blowing it out of proportion. Its clear, to many, that no large to-do was ever intended, its not a post worthy of such interest.

Reference to the 'argument' thread involving Lavender and myself is simply off base, I see no relation between the two in terms of intent or perception.

I have used uncommon tactics on this board, and will likely continue to do so. Sometimes the results are thought provoking and get at an issue in a way that may not otherwise take place. Sometimes few see what I am getting at and that is part of the reality of my style. The thread in question should not be taken so seriously.

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A few have alluded to this type of thing contributing to an underlying hostility on the board. I cant follow this train of throught so if anyone with such feelings cares to clarify, feel free to do so.

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Just know that when you make a habit of posting these fake threads, eventually nothing you post will be believed. MM may already be there. And he may not care. That's his choice, too.

I'm confident that those who dismiss my posts are not worth me losing sleep over. I'll continue to be myself, the alternative is boring and far more work than I am willing to undertake.

Maybe eventually you two will realize that people here try to take you at your word. Eventually that word will be worth much less if people have to constantly decide whether you are telling the truth or you are playing another "joke" on the board. Your choice, of course. If that is how you have fun and you enjoy people not believing anything you say, have at it.

I invite you to look at the body of my posts and decide if you are blowing your view out of proportion. I would never presume to post to satisfy a mass audience, in fact, I'm incapable of doing so.

You are selling many people short with your portrayal of them as not being able to see deper than the surface, I think some will take offense.

I look forward to hooking up with Luther Campbell for our remake of "Banned in the USA." 40 oz. and strippers.

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If you want to be taken seriously; if you want to be considered a peer by other adults then show some maturity. This stuff gets really old.

I dont want to be considered a peer by other adults, I have far higher standards. Thank you.

 

[lobito]

Re: Addressing other components of the two threads.

hmmm, tough call at first, because I realized after reading not much of the original post, that MM was bullshitting. Almost a good story/confession, and I would have stuck by your side, not that you need approval of me, about this being a joke. Except, then moral issues came into play

Now, not many days go by here at Lit, when words to this effect aren't in at least ONE message. "It is the INTERNET, not real life. Get over it!"

MM, You went far enough by not "consulting" JL before doing this thread, but you went WAY overboard by saying the following:

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To anyone that was 'fooled' by my thread:

To the few that are freinds with juicylips and were taken aback by their fear I may have been the holder of their secrets; I am , frankly, extremely surprised by your reaction. You are, essentially, telling me that you entrusted someone with deep, dark personal information but do not know the 'freind' well enough to discern their gender, or that they are perhaps someone else. You should feel fortunate this was a joke, in the future be more careful to whom you confide.

I have shared, what I would consider deeply personal, information and feelings with people I have met online, including member(s) of this board. If I was comfortable enough, trusting enough, to do so...I would hope I can be certain they are not posing as a friend to solicit info from myself.

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You can't be a member of the Internet police squad, when you are hypocritcal of others. Making this into a morals issue for people who share deep secrets with others, is the lamest fucking excuse I've ever seen anyone on this board give.

I thought that bullshit with sending PM's to 100 or so people to "meet me at the pier at midnight", and finding out it was lavy, and ahem, (I believe) YOU, behind it all. Or was that confession fake too? As I said, I could be wrong that you were involved, but it's along the same bullshit lines of this stupid prank, that got you so much flack. So I'm assuming I'm right about it.

What you did, reminds me that when people drink, they can make real asses of themselves. Some just show theirs. But you just showed that you are one.


LOBITO

 

[lavender]

Re: Re: Addressing other components of the two threads.

 

[Rick DeVille]

At the end of the day, does this shit really matter?

 

[morninggirl5]

At the end of the day, does this shit really matter?

It doesn't matter, but it certainly impacts the perception you have of people. I've read more threads in the past week about how boring the board has become, so it seems "pranks" are the new way to liven it up.

I thought we were adults, instead of teenagers. Guess not.

 

[sexy-girl]

its nice that you can take responsibillity when you're prank went a bit wrong and annoyed juicylips

but dont start blaming people that were fooled by it for what is your fault

i wasnt fooled by it because i know you a little and i know juicy lips too a little ... but i have heard of some very weird things happening over the internet i believe theres even been a few revelations on this board about posters posing on here


what happens if people have read the prank thread that dont know you or juicy lips and havent/won't read these threads ? ... i didnt realize for many weeks that your arguement with lavender was just a joke either

i know you didnt mean this MM and i know your a pretty ok guy but take complete resposibility for your actions dont blame juicy lips friends

 

[Cheyenne]

No, you're wrong. Mouse had no part in that. That was all Never and my doing. If I remember correctly no one was mad about it. They thought it was hilarious. That prank didn't hurt a single person, if you think differently you need to adjust your funny bone in the worst way. It's way off kilter.

No, I didn't think it was hilarious. I answered Never's PM that night not realizing it was a carbon copy of a PM sent to so many different people.

Here's the rest of the story, as they say. At the time, I hadn't heard from Never in awhile and I'd made a comment to her in a PM that I was sorry if I'd posted anything that offended her to make her so silent. Then that PM came, and I thought it was Never's wacky way of speaking to me again. To me, not to the whole board. I answered accordingly. And I felt very foolish having done so once I discovered the truth.

Maybe I'm just not good at handling pranks.

 

[modest mouse]

Re: Re: Addressing other components of the two threads.

First of all, thanks for the honesty Lobito, I take your opinion seriously and welcome the discussion, critical or otherwise.

MM, You went far enough by not "consulting" JL before doing this thread, but you went WAY overboard by saying the following:

QUOTE HERE

maybe you mistook my intentions, maybe not. What I was saying is that those who believed I was, in fact, juicylips, should perhaps consider their degree of trust with 'strangers'. If i was one who shared with juicylips and was not confident that I wasnt her...I would feel anxious about my ability to discern those worthy of trust. Juicylips has obviously made friendships here, Im not atttempting to lessen the impact of those. merely saying that it is unwise to share deep personal issues with those you cannot be sure are not me..or some other lunatic.[/b]


You can't be a member of the Internet police squad, when you are hypocritcal of others. Making this into a morals issue for people who share deep secrets with others, is the lamest fucking excuse I've ever seen anyone on this board give.

I'm not making any excuse, only pointing out what I see as a paradox, of sorts. Some people took great offense that I made them feel as if their trust with juicylips had been betrayed. That is a result of their questioning their own trust, I cannot influence that feeling, especially after the fact. I dont see my hypocrisy here.

I thought that bullshit with sending PM's to 100 or so people to "meet me at the pier at midnight", and finding out it was lavy, and ahem, (I believe) YOU, behind it all. Or was that confession fake too? As I said, I could be wrong that you were involved, but it's along the same bullshit lines of this stupid prank, that got you so much flack. So I'm assuming I'm right about it.

You are making a serious and totally false assumption. The 'pier' incident happened at a time that I had never spoken with Lavender, on the board or in private. I received one of said PMs but did not bother to participate in what was, for your knowledge, a warmly received idea. I, frankly, find your unsubstantiated accusation here to be ignorant in the worst possible way. I have always stood up for my actions on this board and implying I didnt is unfair and Completley off base.

What you did, reminds me that when people drink, they can make real asses of themselves. Some just show theirs. But you just showed that you are one.

While I referred to my drinking, I never used it as some de facto excuse. Its inclusion as the title of the thread again gives creedence to its light-hearted (intended) humor.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion of me and I will not pretend to dispute it. i would ask that you seek additional clarity regarding my actions before you form judgements.

I apologize for the slightly delayed rsponse, damn browser imploded mid post.

(edited to fix the bold/regular layout)

 

[sexy-girl]

i have to admit i thought the pier prank was one of the best things that have ever happened here it was very cool that the thread went on for soooooo many pages it must of really taken you a long time to do that


i cant remember my comments about it but i didnt take the post pm seriously i beleive it was attached to the bottom of a pm that lavender had sent to me anyway


but pranks that can make people feel foolish are pretty dangerous its never that much fun to be a butt of a joke

 

[miles]

Jesus H. Christ.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Didn't you guys have enough of the 8th grade?

Who gives a flying fuck who said what about who before this and after that while she said this about him because she likes him but doesn't REALLY know what happened cuz it was like a private joke like and so on, ad nauseum.

 

[modest mouse]

its nice that you can take responsibillity when you're prank went a bit wrong and annoyed juicylips

It went more than a bit wrong, it wasnt even a prank. If you knew my surprise when I got on the board this morning you would see what I mean.

but dont start blaming people that were fooled by it for what is your fault

i wasnt fooled by it because i know you a little and i know juicy lips too a little ... but i have heard of some very weird things happening over the internet i believe theres even been a few revelations on this board about posters posing on here

Here is my confusion...if you dont know myself or juicylips...how can you be offended or angry? I honestly do not know.

what happens if people have read the prank thread that dont know you or juicy lips and havent/won't read these threads ? I linked those threads to this one, for clarity.... i didnt realize for many weeks that your arguement with lavender was just a joke either

i know you didnt mean this MM and i know your a pretty ok guy but take complete resposibility for your actions dont blame juicy lips friends

Believe it or not, I am attempting to take full responsibility, i dont know if I am being misunderstood and doing a terrible job of expressing myself. The vast majority seem to see what I am saying, but Im not dismissing those that do not.

Sexy-girl, again, is direct with me and says what is on her mind.

 

[sexy-girl]

thankyou MM for replying to my post on here yes i did critize you some but i will lay off you are taking resposibillty for what you did and thats great more people should

the BB is a great place very dynamic and ever chaging ... like i said the pier prank was one of the most funny things on here in my eyes on here and it made this place seem very active for that night im sure you were just trying to have a laugh and spice things up MM and with pranks theres a very fine line of them going right or wrong

and yes i must admit i do feel a tiny bit sorry for you ... when you realized this one went wrong im sure it was a quite a shock for you

 

[KillerMuffin]

Bottom line here, guys.

Modest Mouse apologized to JL and went on to explain himself. This is between him and JL right now. Everyone else is extraneous. Particularly when they're bent on arguing about the whole deal.

If he's big 'nuff to publicly apologize for what he did, then I'm big 'nuff to let it go and sit between the people it belongs between. Arguing with him about it appears to be attempts to stir up shit.

Let it go and let MM and JL deal with it. The rest of us can take a leaf from Sexy's book and take a hike off of this thread and this issue.

 

[Never]

I'm juiceylips!

Er, no, just joking. I'm Sparticus!
(Just saw that movie today)

 

[StondTmplPilot]

Re: Re: Re: Addressing other components of the two threads.

No, you're wrong. Mouse had no part in that. That was all Never and my doing. If I remember correctly no one was mad about it. They thought it was hilarious. That prank didn't hurt a single person, if you think differently you need to adjust your funny bone in the worst way. It's way off kilter.

I remember this one, it was a funny prank, and on a side note, it's where I met one terrific lady! So, Lavender, I should thank you for starting that thread!

 

[juicylips]

Please let's just put this whole mess of misunderstanding behind us, MM.

I woke up this morning to lots of questions and I was immediately put off by the thread. After seeing it for what it was, a joke, I settled in to make light of it and go on with my day.

Your apology is accepted. I understand completely the jist of the thread.

Cassidy,
who likes to kiss and makeup

 

[Laurel]

You mean there won't be another 5 threads devoted to this? Damn.

 

[Siren]

Double damn

 

[Svedish_Chef]

You mean there won't be another 5 threads devoted to this? Damn.

Tweety I thought I was you, but then you said that you were me so I figured I didn't have to start one anymore... do I?