jthserra

[twelveoone]

The worst thing I can say about jthserra is he did not like all of my poetry and we disagreed on a few things.This is also one of the better things I can say about him. I once questioned him on a point, and I received an PM from him thanking me and admitting a little embarrassment that he had not proofed it, and after proofing discovered something else I missed. I have found his reviews to be of a high objectivity, consistent and informative, one of the best. But, I was not a big fan of his writing.

Or at least I didn't think so, I have often found jthserra's work to be slightly dry and a little too MFA for my taste. Good to excellent, just not MY preferred taste. I imagine and accept that my stuff is not to his. Not fans...I later found out he does write under different names as I do, probably in the hopes that a sense of objectivity would generate more honest comments. One name he wrote as, I was a big fan of, sometimes mine being the only comment. With his other names I liked/loved his work, I can't keep track of who is and it shouldn't matter.

I have read his criticisms and found them to be always thought provoking, even if I didn't agree. He stikes me as being one of the most sensible people around here, well worth listening to. His depth of knowledge, I am unsure off, because he speaks so seldom, his breadth of style I am amazed at.

To the sanest man in Literotica an expression of respect from one who has sometimes taken a counterpoint to yours. Deep regrets over your troubles, and that I didn't get to know you better, a word of thanks, Jim.

Thank you for the learning experience
twelveoone

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Jim is one of the main reasons this community of poets has to be thankful. And thank you for reminding us of it, twelve.

 

[TheRainMan]

The worst thing I can say about jthserra is . . .

i can't think of a bad thing to say about Jim/jthserra/decayed angel/kaishaku -- he carries himself always with dignity, is a wonderful poet, and one of the mainstays of this community.

i wish he posted more. he always has something to say.

and he is honest. his critiques never praise falsely, nor criticize without explanation and suggestion for improvement. they show the perfect mix of truth and kindness.

we need a hundred more like him.

 

[Decayed Angel]

Thank you for the kind words...

especially from three people I respect highly for their insight and ability. I am currently concentrating on prose and am in contest mode, so I have spent little time on poetry (I did write a haiku a few weeks ago), but I will be shifting gears after the first of the year and will be working on poetry again.

Again, thank you for the kind words, I hope one day to live up to the praise.


jim : )

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

I don't kiss ass comfortably but I'll suffer - for jim. You've taught me a lot.

 

[Decayed Angel]

I don't kiss ass comfortably but I'll suffer - for jim. You've taught me a lot.

now don't kiss ass, just look for the floating Japanese Maple leaf and write some poetry.

Of course if you wanted to kiss a slightly decayed angel...


jim : )

 

[annaswirls]

floating japanese maple leaf

four yellow fingers
Lisa Simpson, brother Bart




Jim, hope you know the respect I feel for you and your commenting and writing. Focus on those, ignore the rest.

 

[Cub4ucme]

Oh, isn't this sweet!


Another board where people feel their personal politics are somehow important
in the grand scheme of poetics.


Another drama about to unfurl.

Now, everyone join in lets get together and express how we feel about Jim.

"Well, I like his poetry under one screen name but, under his original one I think it sucks. He was a very good reviewer though."

So fucking trite!

andy

 

[Decayed Angel]

Oh, isn't this sweet!


Another board where people feel their personal politics are somehow important
in the grand scheme of poetics.


Another drama about to unfurl.

Now, everyone join in lets get together and express how we feel about Jim.

"Well, I like his poetry under one screen name but, under his original one I think it sucks. He was a very good reviewer though."

So fucking trite!

andy

LOL... I guess given a choice between the two I'll take trite over the other. The knife was always a bit dull though.

Unfortunately I think this may be more about 1201's departure and I thank him for the kind words and wish he would stick around.

Cub, there's a bit of a history here that might give you a bit of a clue if you knew it.

 

[Cub4ucme]

Cub, there's a bit of a history here that might give you a bit of a clue if you knew it.<<<<<<<<<


Not interested but, thanks anyway.

I am interested in poetry. I don't care if critiques are harsh or full of praise.

You write the poem, you let it go, it stands up on its own or it flops.

In the end it's still A POEM.

This board, I believe was created for the discussion of poetry not personalities. That's why there's email and PM's.

But, I appreciate your take and thanks for offering it up.


andy

 

[Liar]

This board, I believe was created for the discussion of poetry not personalities. That's why there's email and PM's.

We'll have to ask the creator of it to know about that.

Either way is it a place where people, and not only poems, come in contact with other people. I believe social interaction in such a place in inevtable.

 

[WickedEve]

So, the number boy is leaving (again) and Jim isn't?
Either way, I like them both. I love Jim's poetry and 12 is a pain but I like him anyway.

And cub, you have a lot to learn about our poetry forum. lol.

 

[Decayed Angel]

This board, I believe was created for the discussion of poetry not personalities. That's why there's email and PM's.

andy

Unfortunately 1201 didn't have my email, and at the time only knew the single name of mine so I presume he used the forum to send me a fairwell. The board has been a place of poetry and of poets, 1201 has often written of the poets, their poetry, their approaches to poetry and criticism. Others have also done this.

I commend you for your attitude toward criticism and poetry discussion. There are some here who will condemn your attitude and I believe that 1201's farewell may also have been a message to them by offering encouragement to those who have provided honest commentary and criticism on poetry in spite of personal attacks and the like.

This is a place of poetry, poets and yes, personalities. I have yet to find a poetry site or discussion group that is any different. If you know of a place that's just about quality poetry without the rest, please let me know.


DA : )

 

[Decayed Angel]

four yellow fingers
Lisa Simpson, brother Bart

There's actually five fingers on that maple leaf, the other is just curled a bit and lost in the background. The Japanese Maple's botanical name is Acer palmatum, the palm because the leaf resembles the palm of a hand. It is a truly beautiful tree that doesn't do well in southern Texas because of the heat. I have seen several beautiful trees in the front yards of several houses in Chesapeake Virginia, I have always been tempted to stop my car and just admire the tree, but was afraid someone with a shotgun would come out chasing me. "Damn tree huggers anyway."

Excuse my excursion from the poetry... slipping on my Bonsai hat for a while. Thanks for the encouragement, I have a few hundred more stories to write before January 2nd and after that I'll be thinking of poetry again.


jim : )

 

[Cub4ucme]

And cub, you have a lot to learn about our poetry forum. lol.
__________________


I beg your pardon sweet cheeks.

I already know much about OUR poetry forum.

My point was expressed and there's no changing it.

I've been reading this board quite frequently for some time now.
Long before I became a member.

Your presumptious attitude with the cutie LOL is precisely
the type of bullshit I was referring to.

I don't give two shits if you like what I say or not but, if you are
going to debate my points then muster up a better response than
LOL.


I'm done playing ping-pong with this thread. You can lash out
if it makes you feel good or gets you off. I'm all about accomodating
dysfunction.

Back to the poetry!


best,
andy

 

[WickedEve]

And cub, you have a lot to learn about our poetry forum. lol.
__________________


I beg your pardon sweet cheeks.

I already know much about OUR poetry forum.

My point was expressed and there's no changing it.

I've been reading this board quite frequently for some time now.
Long before I became a member.

Your presumptious attitude with the cutie LOL is precisely
the type of bullshit I was referring to.

I don't give two shits if you like what I say or not but, if you are
going to debate my points then muster up a better response than
LOL.


I'm done playing ping-pong with this thread. You can lash out
if it makes you feel good or gets you off. I'm all about accomodating
dysfunction.

Back to the poetry!


best,
andy

I wasn't planning to debate anything and there was no attitude in my post. My "lol" is simply what it is: a light and friendly laugh. Anyway... I have laundry to do or a poem to write. um, ha ha.

And 12, I do hope you stay around--if this is a goodbye thread.
Jim, wish you were around more.
Cub, read some of your poems and liked some of them. Not sure about your response to me, but as long as I can appreciate some of your poetry, then it's all good.
And... damn, glad I'm not around so much anymore. I feel like headin' for the hills.

 

[Decayed Angel]

And cub, you have a lot to learn about our poetry forum. lol.
__________________


I don't give two shits if you like what I say or not but, if you are
going to debate my points then muster up a better response than
LOL.

best,
andy

I did give you more of a response than LOL and you responded to it. And if anything was presumptious bullshit it was your calling anyone's comment trite without any clue what prompted the post.

I have only seen one person here lashing out, I've simply been saying there is more here than what you think. I see I have wasted my time. Have fun with your poetry.

 

[Senna Jawa]

(Andy) Oh, isn't this sweet!


Another board where people feel their personal politics are somehow important
in the grand scheme of poetics.


Another drama about to unfurl.

Now, everyone join in lets get together and express how we feel about Jim.

And Andy again:

This board, I believe was created for the discussion of poetry not personalities. That's why there's email and PM's.

Andy, you're 100% right.

Actually, with respect to judgmental, personal exchanges, which attempt to create a gradation (or degradation ) of the participants, this board is even worse than the other familiar to me boards.

This self- and reciprocal absorption goes hand in hand with the self-conscious threads in which the great-great participants admire, talk and discuss about their incredible artistic ways along lines like this:

Poets, I want to know when and how do you write your best poems? I can be inspired by most anything, isn't poetry wonderful! But my creative juices flow unevenly. When I was less experienced I was tense, because I was afraid of failure. Now I let my imagination a free rein and the quality of my writing has significantly sky-rocketted, wow! The way I see it, do as I do, just let it go, and the results will be overwhelming. I didn't know such important things about what it means to be a poet when I was starting to write poems. I hope that this helps you to develop your artistic potential. It has helped me a lot. I wouldn't be where I am now if it were not for this seemingly simple but necessary knowledge. Remember, the most important is that you just write. Just write. Great! You guys are great, you are a truly great bunch.
​

The other side of this same coin are the unprovoked, disgusting, dishonest personal attacks, a whole spectrum of them, from hypocritically pseudo-cultural to vulgar.

Otherwise we have here a nice discussion board.

Regards,

Senna Jawa

PS In the other thread, Andy, you're bullshitting your head off. But keep talking, with or without clue, this is what this board is about (don't worry about increasing your integrity and impacting your substantiability, hey! ).

 

[Cub4ucme]

I did give you more of a response than LOL and you responded to it. <<<<<


It seems you area bit confused.

I quoted someone else in regards to the LOL.



But, thanks for letting me know how you feel.
Do you know much about poetry?

Are you trying to learn more, or is it that social scene
you were attempting to validate on a board that clearly
states its intention before you click your mouse that
you're looking to protect?


The forum is clearly tagged:

A place for commenting and posting poetry and discussing poets.

Don't attempt to bend the word poets. It's obvious intent
was to infer the names of such people as Frost, Poe, Plath,
Wodsworth,Thomas, I'm sure you get my drift.

I don't care if it continues to be a dysfuntional circus.
That's what happens when idiots take over internet airways.
But, don't think for a second I don't have a right to tell you
how ridiculous it makes you appear to be.

It's like walking into a University library and stating,
"There are people here so it must be fine to start a
little social club in the corner."


You go your way and I'll go mine.
You can find me commenting and posting poetry
without a hint of resentment towards you or
anyone else for that matter.

There's plenty of space on the net to puke your woes
and air your opinions of others.

I'm sure most came here for the right reasons.

It's a shame they aren't commited enough to
continue on that path.

It really is about the poetry. It's not about you
or me, or Jim, or Jim's late great Uncle Harvey.

andy

 

[Cub4ucme]

PS In the other thread, Andy, you're bullshitting your head off. <<<<<


Not my style. I won't crossthread the discussion. I'll reply to it where it resides.


Thanks for your post. I especially enjoyed the paragraph inserted in green font.


andy

 

[Liar]

The forum is clearly tagged:

A place for commenting and posting poetry and discussing poets.

Don't attempt to bend the word poets. It's obvious intent
was to infer the names of such people as Frost, Poe, Plath,
Wodsworth,Thomas, I'm sure you get my drift.

Considering the context, I wouldn't be too sure about that. And one should always consider the context. Take a spin around Literotica for a while and see what you see. It isn't exactly the university library. It's the smut peddler downtown. And that's ecaxtly why I'm here, in it's poetry corner. Because it's kind of a refreshing and humbling experience. It's hard to walk around too long with my often too self-important head up my ass when the party in the next aisle is merrily and loudly sharing salad tossing anecdotes. Most people on this site are far more interrested in Sylvia Saint than Sylvia Plath.

There are some knowledgeable and IMO very enjoyable poets here (Yes, I mean their poetry, although they are pretty nice people too). There are also the prosodic word spewers like myself, who'd get thrown head first out of most highbrow poetry forums. And there are complete beginners, who haven't written a line and wants to take a swing at it or want to find a new form for their erotic fiction. Poets? Not poets? Worth discussing or not?

Yeah, I'm bending words. if you say so. Thank you for defining reality for the rest of us.

 

[Decayed Angel]

I did give you more of a response than LOL and you responded to it. <<<<<


It seems you area bit confused.

I quoted someone else in regards to the LOL.



But, thanks for letting me know how you feel.
Do you know much about poetry?

Are you trying to learn more, or is it that social scene
you were attempting to validate on a board that clearly
states its intention before you click your mouse that
you're looking to protect?


The forum is clearly tagged:

A place for commenting and posting poetry and discussing poets.

Don't attempt to bend the word poets. It's obvious intent
was to infer the names of such people as Frost, Poe, Plath,
Wodsworth,Thomas, I'm sure you get my drift.

I don't care if it continues to be a dysfuntional circus.
That's what happens when idiots take over internet airways.
But, don't think for a second I don't have a right to tell you
how ridiculous it makes you appear to be.

It's like walking into a University library and stating,
"There are people here so it must be fine to start a
little social club in the corner."


You go your way and I'll go mine.
You can find me commenting and posting poetry
without a hint of resentment towards you or
anyone else for that matter.

There's plenty of space on the net to puke your woes
and air your opinions of others.

I'm sure most came here for the right reasons.

It's a shame they aren't commited enough to
continue on that path.

It really is about the poetry. It's not about you
or me, or Jim, or Jim's late great Uncle Harvey.

andy

I guess you just want to argue with someone. If you read my responses you'll see I agreed with you and even asked if you knew of a better place for poetry. If you know of one I'd like to know about it, honestly.

As for the obvious intent of the statement, "A place for commenting and posting poetry and discussing poets." It obviously includes Frost, Poe, Plath, Wordsworth, Thomas and many others. I see no implication that the word poet specifically excludes 1201, Wicked Eve, TheRainMan, Liar, Jthserra or even Cub4ucme. Several of these poets are published in print and online, so somewhere someone considers them poets. I consider them poets. I think the creator of this forum most likely does too, though you might want to ask her directly.

Or if they are not considered poets, then I must ask where we differentiate between poet or non-poet. Are the lesser regarded poets like Vachel Lindsay not considered poets or is that limited to those like the poet Lindsay "discovered" -- Langston Hughes? Are Gerald Stern and Wanda Coleman poets or are they non-poets... where do we draw the line?

Someone posted something about a poet called Jthserra. Seems within the intent of "A place for commenting and posting poetry and discussing poets." Perhaps it was trite in your opinion, I offered the LOL because, trite or not, it was certainly preferable to some of the other things said about me in this forum in the past. I found some amusement in the irony of it all, and was not forwarding an argument in debate by saying LOL, as I mentioned above, I agreed with what you said.

As to whether I know poetry, all I can say is read what I have posted, read my articles and reviews on poetry, look at some of my commentary here in the forum and decide for yourself. I have a wide range of poetry posted here, ranging from some early inept attempts at verse through some fairly decent stuff. Read the other poets too and see if you don't consider them poets.

As for this forum, it is about poetry and poets and personalities. Perhaps your voice might reverse it's decline, I would welcome a return to the way it was around three years ago. Back then someone came in and wanted it to be more about personality and sadly, was able to change it. You will probably meet him soon, it's almost inevitable here.

And hey, I did have a great uncle named Harvey who died a few years ago, but he didn't write poetry so I won't mention him here.

Have fun with your poetry.

DA : )

 

[bluerains]

I've always loved your poetry..

I guess you just want to argue with someone. If you read my responses you'll see I agreed with you and even asked if you knew of a better place for poetry. If you know of one I'd like to know about it, honestly.

As for the obvious intent of the statement, "A place for commenting and posting poetry and discussing poets." It obviously includes Frost, Poe, Plath, Wordsworth, Thomas and many others. I see no implication that the word poet specifically excludes 1201, Wicked Eve, TheRainMan, Liar, Jthserra or even Cub4ucme. Several of these poets are published in print and online, so somewhere someone considers them poets. I consider them poets. I think the creator of this forum most likely does too, though you might want to ask her directly.

Or if they are not considered poets, then I must ask where we differentiate between poet or non-poet. Are the lesser regarded poets like Vachel Lindsay not considered poets or is that limited to those like the poet Lindsay "discovered" -- Langston Hughes? Are Gerald Stern and Wanda Coleman poets or are they non-poets... where do we draw the line?

Someone posted something about a poet called Jthserra. Seems within the intent of "A place for commenting and posting poetry and discussing poets." Perhaps it was trite in your opinion, I offered the LOL because, trite or not, it was certainly preferable to some of the other things said about me in this forum in the past. I found some amusement in the irony of it all, and was not forwarding an argument in debate by saying LOL, as I mentioned above, I agreed with what you said.

As to whether I know poetry, all I can say is read what I have posted, read my articles and reviews on poetry, look at some of my commentary here in the forum and decide for yourself. I have a wide range of poetry posted here, ranging from some early inept attempts at verse through some fairly decent stuff. Read the other poets too and see if you don't consider them poets.

As for this forum, it is about poetry and poets and personalities. Perhaps your voice might reverse it's decline, I would welcome a return to the way it was around three years ago. Back then someone came in and wanted it to be more about personality and sadly, was able to change it. You will probably meet him soon, it's almost inevitable here.

And hey, I did have a great uncle named Harvey who died a few years ago, but he didn't write poetry so I won't mention him here.

Have fun with your poetry.

DA : )

 

[Cub4ucme]

I offered the LOL because, trite or not<<<<<

You still don't get it.

I read your post and appeciated your comments.

The above quote from EVE was what I was referring to.

It can be found direcly above my comments.

I don't want to argue.

Discussing poets, yes any poets, isn't what I was referring to.

I'm sure you know that. My comments were initiated after reading
this board for quite some time.

It's youir choice to respond or not. If you do, I think it would be
better to be sure what you are responding to.


____________________________________________________________


As far as the poster who comes here for the smut I understand that side.
There's no judgement coming from this seat about letting your hair down.

Defending obvious dysfunction makes no sense even in a smutty room.

I knew you would bend the obvious intent of the tag on the fourm. I knew that becasue the truth boxed you in. The intent is glaring, where I understated myself was to leave out poets who post here. You are right on that account and my apology is expressed. I still find it somewhat disheartening that people rise to defend their right to be to be wrong so freely knowing full well they are wrong.

This is the last you will hear from me on this thread.

Take your shots (that's to be expected here and that was my whole point) but, rest assured I'm standing on solid ground.

thanks,
andy

 

[normal jean]

umm, who the fuck is Andy?

and what are yall talkin about, you confuse me

Jim? I learn so much from you, darenit, you arent leaving and neither is 1201. you cant, youre both prisoners here.

is andy new? or is he a mean alt of someones...we are just a square root of our personalities it seems lately.

anyway