John mCain, the 'war hero.'

[Ishmael]

So Trump takes on McCain after McCain shoots off his mouth. Critics, left and right, are going after Trump. Interesting exchanges are taking place.

Let's look at the record. First is this scathing attack against McCain regarding his military career.

John McCain Military Record.



Next is this entry in Wiki;

John McCain Military Record.

The Wiki writeup is much more diplomatic than the first link, but when you line them out fact for fact, they match.

McCain was essentially a military fuck up that cruised on his fore bearers reputation.

McCain did serve this nation during war. Whether you agree with whether we should have been there or not, he did serve. He was a prisoner of war and survived that as well. And for being a prisoner he received the Silver Star, why? Were all other prisoners so honored?

Trump is right, McCain is no hero. He served this nation in time of war, but he did not serve with any particular distinction. The hero attribute is all political hype, McCain is no 'hero.'

Ishmael

 

[JohnnySavage]

But he probably doesn't have any patents.

 

[Ishmael]

Leave it to little Johnny to be on topic.

Ishmael

 

[JohnnySavage]

Leave it to little Johnny to be on topic.

Ishmael

Leave it to old, stupid Islmeal to disparage a man who accomplished more before he was 30 than you have in your 70 years.

22 combat missions and a Bronze Star before he was shot down equals hero in the eyes of the people who know of such things. I'm not surprised you don't know of such things.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

My neighbor growing up was a p.o.w., a lunatic and a farmer. Being a p.o.w. sure didn't make him a better farmer, or heroic.

Trumps big problem is he doesn't know when to shut up. He'll either drop the big one or the accumulation of oddball remarks will eventually bury him.

 

[Ishmael]

My neighbor growing up was a p.o.w., a lunatic and a farmer. Being a p.o.w. sure didn't make him a better farmer, or heroic.

Trumps big problem is he doesn't know when to shut up. He'll either drop the big one or the accumulation of oddball remarks will eventually bury him.

I'm no Trump fan. But he does speak truth to power in plain English. It's one of the reasons he's where he's at in the polls. He speaks to what many politicians and their sycophants in the press have been trying to feed us for years. He doesn't do it with eloquence, just plain English. Hopefully some other potential candidates will catch on.

Ishmael

 

[Chansen]

He served with honor
He does not have at least 2 children that are dead you know at least one being a darwin award type death
Did not raise a son who is a child rapist like you did
Does not continually lie about so called accomplishments like you

 

[Ishmael]

Leave it to old, stupid Islmeal to disparage a man who accomplished more before he was 30 than you have in your 70 years.

22 combat missions and a Bronze Star before he was shot down equals hero in the eyes of the people who know of such things. I'm not surprised you don't know of such things.

Hmmm, has it occurred to you that I didn't write any of those articles? Did you know that a couple of writers for Mother Jones accused McCain of being a "war criminal" back in 2008? The same writers that are defending him today. Go figure.

Ishmael

 

[JohnnySavage]

Trump is right, McCain is no hero. He served this nation in time of war, but he did not serve with any particular distinction. The hero attribute is all political hype, McCain is no 'hero.'

Ishmael

I'm sorry, I thought your signature at that point in your post meant those were your words.

I guess you are pulling a Vett - I just posted it, I don't believe - man.

 

[Ishmael]

He served with honor
He does not have at least 2 children that are dead you know at least one being a darwin award type death
Did not raise a son who is a child rapist like you did
Does not continually lie about so called accomplishments like you

I'm not the subject of the post, am I?

Even if I were to grant you any credibility, you who had to make up a new nic, I do not hold high office, never ran for high office and never intend to.

You seem to be incapable;e of addressing the OP but rather intend to attack me for articles I never wrote. Facts I never uncovered. All in all it's typical Alinsky, right out of the book.

When you choose to post under your known nic., we'll talk. Untill then....fuck off.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

Trump is right, McCain is no hero. He served this nation in time of war, but he did not serve with any particular distinction. The hero attribute is all political hype, McCain is no 'hero.'

Ishmael

I'm sorry, I thought your signature at that point in your post meant those were your words.

I guess you are pulling a Vett - I just posted it, I don't believe - man.

Yes, and it is up to you to show us all where he served with any particular distinction. I can think of exactly ONE act on his part, not particularly heroic, but it was admirable. What act was that little Johnny?

Ishmael

 

[hashtag45]

He served with honor
He does not have at least 2 children that are dead you know at least one being a darwin award type death
Did not raise a son who is a child rapist like you did
Does not continually lie about so called accomplishments like you

gosh, a few of you you GBers are really something, at times.
The poster is trying to make a political argument, flaming or not
and you guys start getting worked up & engaging in personal attacks

 

[JohnnySavage]

Yes, and it is up to you to show us all where he served with any particular distinction.<I don't dance when you beat a drum>

Ishmael

...

22 combat missions and a Bronze Star before he was shot down ...

Since Trump (and you) disparage him after he was shot down.

 

[Ishmael]

Since Trump (and you) disparage him after he was shot down.

Guess what little Johnny, today is the first time I've looked up McCain's military record. What I posted is what I found.

As far as disparage is concerned, it is incumbent on YOU to show me, and others, where he is a 'hero.' Medals for heroism are NOT awarded on the presumption of accomplishment, most of the time anyway.

Between the links I provided, and ample other sources, his military career is there for all to see. I merely asked you to point out his singular accomplishment that would merit the Silver Star? Is that too much to ask? I know it's far easier, and requires no particular brain power to attack me, but if you are an attorney as you seem to profess, then stick to the facts little Johnny, stick to the facts.

Ishmael

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I'm no Trump fan. But he does speak truth to power in plain English. It's one of the reasons he's where he's at in the polls. He speaks to what many politicians and their sycophants in the press have been trying to feed us for years. He doesn't do it with eloquence, just plain English. Hopefully some other potential candidates will catch on.

Ishmael

The anti-politician? Half the country and the main stream media is already against him just because of party affiliation. Whereas everyone loves Johnny (because he's 29% conservative).

Trump is kind of a Steve Forbes with a personality....

 

[Ishmael]

The anti-politician? Half the country and the main stream media is already against him just because of party affiliation. Whereas everyone loves Johnny (because he's 29% conservative).

Trump is kind of a Steve Forbes with a personality....

I look at him as this generations Ross Perot, who was also unfit to be president. The difference is that Trump is working within the party structure. Doesn't make him more fit, just more formidable.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

gosh, a few of you you GBers are really something, at times.
The poster is trying to make a political argument, flaming or not
and you guys start getting worked up & engaging in personal attacks

It's what you do when you have nothing pertinent to say.

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

Trump is right, McCain is no hero. He served this nation in time of war, but he did not serve with any particular distinction. The hero attribute is all political hype, McCain is no 'hero.'

Ishmael

I'm sorry, I thought your signature at that point in your post meant those were your words.

I guess you are pulling a Vett - I just posted it, I don't believe - man.

Guess what little Johnny, today is the first time I've looked up McCain's military record. What I posted is what I found.

As far as disparage is concerned, it is incumbent on YOU to show me, and others, where he is a 'hero.' Medals for heroism are NOT awarded on the presumption of accomplishment, most of the time anyway.

Between the links I provided, and ample other sources, his military career is there for all to see. I merely asked you to point out his singular accomplishment that would merit the Silver Star? Is that too much to ask? I know it's far easier, and requires no particular brain power to attack me, but if you are an attorney as you seem to profess, then stick to the facts little Johnny, stick to the facts.

Ishmael

Nailed it. Also, fuck off, Ish.

 

[Ishmael]

And enters Penis Gazer, my own personal troll.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

John McCain declined opportunities to be released before other prisoners were. He received a Navy Commendation medal for that undisputedly heroic action.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If you want to argue that the term 'hero' is over used in response to the military in general that's a conversation worth having. I mean it is over used but only the most vile prick would go up to any vet and call them out on not being a hero. Most of us are more than happy to admit we aren't heroes and if we don't it's because we buy the hype it's because why am I going to take the time out to correct someone who's opinion I won't change who'm I'll also never see again. It's the same reason my brother and girlfriend don't correct people who spell and or pronounce their names wrong. It's simply not worth the effort.

Now we can also argue what it means in real terms to have spent time as a POW. If half the stories are true he went through a LOT while he was a POW and at the very least came out the other side. I don't know if he talked or not though I imagine he did. Everybody breaks it's just a matter of time. The other part being torture is primarily something done by sadistic bastards for fun (hense why Republicans love it) they aren't trying to get useful information because they know that with very few exceptions anything you knew of worth is pointless fairly shortly afterward. Still he survived and seems to be mostly mentally intact. Not everybody can make that claim.

Trump is not speaking truth to power. Trump is power. Trump is the kind of power where if we're being honest becoming POTUS is probably a massive step down in the grand scheme of things for him. At best it's a lateral move. He games control of the military and loses his media empire. Unless you're prepared to go full dictator though I'd rather have my media controls. So lets put that bullshit out.

 

[Ishmael]

John McCain declined opportunities to be released before other prisoners were. He received a Navy Commendation medal for that undisputedly heroic action.

Well 'furry foot', you nailed the one singular thing McCain did that merits attention. Give yourself a point above Johnny.

On the other hand, given his natural inclinations towards politics he really didn't have much of a choice that decision. Which brings us to the point that he was thinking ahead. I'll give him credit for that as well, but none of that makes him a 'hero'.

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

It would be interesting to know what Ish thinks qualifies as a hero. They guy who pays for him for his illegal moonshine so he can pay the electric bill?

 

[Ishmael]

'Penis Gazer' the Ishmael troll. Love it dude. It's like having a parasite that can't hut you.

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

'Penis Gazer' the Ishmael troll. Love it dude. It's like having a parasite that can't hut you.

Ishmael

lol,wut