Jenna arrested driving 95 mph & dui?

[WriterDom]

Nope, sorry, but Al Gore's son was the week of the democratic convention. Having control of the press is a wonderful idea. Too bad the conservatives didn't think of it first.

 

[unusuallyconfused]

Actually, I was doing over a 100 in my new mustang just to check it out, wasn't drinking, didn't get caught, it was very fast. I won't do it again, I generally am a pretty good driver, but it was very fun.

On the political statement, I am definately in accord.

 

[WriterDom]

In a related story, Fox News reportedly has a film of Chelsea drunk off her ass standing on a bar table screaming "Spank me, spank me." anyone seen or heard that?

 

[christo]

So what if they did? Nothing illegal about getting loaded and making an ass of yourself. Underage drinking and fake ID's are. Let's hope W's twins keep their illegal drinking purely ambulatory instead of behind the wheel.

Here are a few questions about this whole situation:

Don't the Bush girls have one friend over 21 who can buy them booze?

Can't they get a fake ID that can pass muster?

Are they THAT stupid, that they got caught five times between them in, what? Three months?

And what does their Secret Service detail do when these two are trying to get a buzz on? Aren't these guys cops, shouldn't they be stopping illegal activity? Are they required to have Secret Service protection? If so, are they slipping their bodyguards so they can get loaded? And if they are, does that pose a national security risk, being that there might be some terrorist psychos out there who might be very interested in snatching the President's daughters from some dance club?

 

[Cheyenne]

Jenna Bust a Publicity Stunt?
Chuy's Called Media After Dialing 911
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Monday June 4, 2001; 10:34 a.m. EDT
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/6/4/93042


First daughter Jenna Bush may have been the victim of a
publicity stunt last Tuesday, when a Texas restaurant alerted
the media immediately after calling 911 to complain the
19-year-old had ordered a drink with fake ID.

"Perhaps the 911 call is understandable," reports Monday's
Houston Chronicle. "The second call from Chuy's
management, however, is harder to defend. Chuy's tipped
the Austin American-Statesman to the scoop about the
president's partying scofflaws."

The Chronicle notes that the Statesman decided to sit on
their exclusive till Thursday due to ethical questions. By
then, it was worldwide news, with the name of the Tex-Mex
restaurant chain mentioned prominently in every story.

"That can't be bad for business," one Austin political
consultant and frequent Chuy's diner observed to the
Chronicle.

The restaurant did not return calls about its decision to
publicize the incident, the paper said.

By Thursday afternoon, Chuy's was apparently having
second thoughts about its gambit, releasing a statement that
said, "We sincerely regret any inconvenience this has
caused the first family."

The newfound contrition came as the Bush booze bust
seemed to be backfiring on the restaurant chain. Over the
weekend, calls for a Chuy's boycott began to permeate the
internet and talk radio.

Fueling the fire: growing evidence that Chuy's decision to
call the cops on Jenna and her sister was highly selective.

"It may be the first time a restaurant has considered
underage drinking worthy of an emergency call in the home
of the state's biggest university," said Becky Stewart,
emergency services director for the Capital Area Planning
Council, in an interview with the Chronicle. CAPCO
manages Austin's regional 911 system.

Add to that the political leanings of Chuy's owners, which
seem to be at least mildly anti-Republican. On Saturday
NewsMax.com revealed that Chuy's actually lists the day
Nixon resigned along with July Fourth and Memorial Day on
its promotional "Calendar of Events."

More telling, both Chuy's owners, John Zapp and Michael
Young, are active in Democratic Party politics. Zapp gave
Democrats $1,000 last July and Young is described by the
Chronicle as "a minor Democratic player in Travis County
politics" who "has strong opinions and occasionally attends
party fund-raisers."

"Perhaps the restaurant management, with its Democratic
ties, is privately reveling in the Republican first family's
public embarrassment," suggested the Chronicle.
--

 

[Laurel]

Just to make sure the that the facts are clear, the guy who owns Chuy's has donated over $10,000 to the GOP in the last few years and he is a conservative, not a liberal.

Michael Young, co-founder and president of Central Texas Chuy's Inc., has shared more than $11,000 with Republican Senate candidates since 1998.

Young, who has steadfastly refused to talk to the media about the Bush matter, describes himself as a "free-market capitalist."

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/abc/20010604/pl/chuys010604_1.html

 

[Azwed]

No i heard of that

I heard about the Al Gore son thing, but he did not have a DUI. He was just doing around a 100 in his brand new oldsmobile. I saw a copy of the ticket at one of those get the dirt websites or whatever. Think it was called www.thesmokinggun.com. Around the same time the Al Gore thing happend Bush's nephew broke in to his exgf's house. He did like donuts on the lawn in his Explorer too. Bet you did not hear of that either did you. Its not a matter of having control of the media. The Al Jr. episode was not really a big story at the time. He was just speeding. Yeah he was going a 100 miles and hour but he was not drunk. You didn't hear about the GW nephew thing either because it was not so big of a story. He was only Bush's nephew and the incident happend in forida where Bush has a lot of power. It was hushed up very well and never really hit nationaly.

Not that any of this stuff is really news. It is all crap. They are kids. Kids do stupid stuff like this. Well except for maybe the Nephew thing. He was much older, mid 20's i belive, and breaking and entering is a more serious. Its tabloid journalism which is something i can't really stand. Its not really news just something to keep the masses happy and drive up those ratings.

If you only watch the crappy television news this is about all you are going to get. Better idea is to watch the TV news and read one or two newspapers. Both the Washington post and The New York times are aviliable online for free, so if you have a computer you have no excuse not to read them.

 

[Guru]

 

[christo]

There's no way to keep the media out of the President's private life, not anymore, not after the Clinton years. To what extent the President's children should be excluded is a tougher call. Chelsea Clinton was totally off-limits for a long time, and that's fine, but once she started working the campaign trail for her parents the preferential treatment should have ended. If they used her for political purposes (and why not?), the media should be allowed to focus on her.

Then you have the Bush daughters. Their daddy recently signed a law in Texas mandating serious consequences (including jail time) for people with three or more alcohol-related arrests. It's alleged that Jenna had a brush with the law when she was 16, giving her the magic number of 3. Think she's going to jail? Sure. When the President starts making laws that severely punish people and his own kids aren't made to suffer the consequences that other people have to endure, then they're fair game.

For these children of the privileged, on both sides of the political coin, there aren't any consequences. There's always someone to bail them out, someone to make an excuse, someone to sweep the mess under the rug. While everyone else gets a kick in the beanbag.

 

[Guru]

 

[Andra_Jenny]

Hey, you're right and
about 50% don't vote.
Good point Laurel, but if it was Chelsea, would the hue and cry be against Chuy's and would not we be argueing that the Pesident's daughter should be kept out of the spotlight?
That is a subtle hypocrasy, but still...
Great attention grabber WriterDom! Hat's off!

 

[Fleshmachine]

In a related story, Fox News reportedly has a film of Chelsea drunk off her ass standing on a bar table screaming "Spank me, spank me." anyone seen or heard that?

I did! I was there. Chelsea is a chip off the old block. Just like her Dad.

 

[Laurel]

Good point Laurel, but if it was Chelsea, would the hue and cry be against Chuy's and would not we be argueing that the Pesident's daughter should be kept out of the spotlight?
That is a subtle hypocrasy, but still...

To be honest, I could care less about Jenna, Chelsea, Barbara, or Socks. I don't even care about the private life of the President. What DOES bother me is when a party that spent millions of dollars probing the private life of a sitting President turns around and gives these pithy privacy speeches. What DOES bother me is when a party that has fought for 3-strikes programs and to up the drinking age to 21 turns around and practically canonizes an underage drinker who just happens to be a prominent Republican's daughter.

I heard clips from the Rush show mentioned earlier in which he refers to Jenna as a crusader in the vein of Rosa Parks and it was too fucking funny...a frat girl tries to by beer with a fake ID and suddenly she's a civil rights hero. What an insult to Rosa Parks. If you don't see the blatant hypocrisy, then I really have nothing more to say.

Great attention grabber WriterDom! Hat's off!

LOL! I've never heard slander described as an "attention grabber", but oh well... I guess any lie is a good lie so long as it furthers The Cause...

 

[WriterDom]

LOL! I've never heard slander described as an "attention grabber", but oh well... I guess any lie is a good lie so long as it furthers The Cause...

How can it be slander if it's true? The Goron son was driving 95 and charged with dui. The dui was later dropped. I guess he wasn't drunk enough. Fox claims to have film of Chelsea's "spank me" dance on the table. I just asked if anyone had seen it.


It's harder to verify when a liberal child gets into trouble because it isn't front page news. Or back page news for that matter. And that was the point of my post to begin with.

 

[GuyJD]

In a related story, Fox News reportedly has a film of Chelsea drunk off her ass standing on a bar table screaming "Spank me, spank me." anyone seen or heard that?

SEEN IT? HEARD IT?
I was the one there doing the spanking.

 

[Unclebill]

...What DOES bother me is when a party that spent millions of dollars probing the private life of a sitting President turns around and gives these pithy privacy speeches...

The investigation into Clinton's criminal activities resulted in several felony convictions despite Clinton's formidable obstruction of justice efforts while the Lawrence Walsh investigation resulted in none with full cooperation of the administration which it persecuted while spending more taxpayer money.

So at least have the decency to be consistent. To do less is unbecoming.

And speaking of privacy, weren't the Clinton's so very conscientious in the respect of the privacy of others?

 

[Andra_Jenny]

But Laurel, when Bush decides not to go after Clinton yet one more time, you deride the administration for breaking the law by not reporting.

Methinks you can have it, or you can eat it...

 

[Andra_Jenny]

Uncle Bill, Boortz, et. al. convinced me to switch to Libertarian. They just seem to make better points than my Republican friends and former Democrat colleagues.

 

[rambling man]

Didn't bother to read the rest of the posts, but I have one thing to say about the Bush daughters....I'd love to get presidential on them in a Kennedy/Clinton kind of way

 

[TinaG13]

Didn't bother to read the rest of the posts, but I have one thing to say about the Bush daughters....I'd love to get presidential on them in a Kennedy/Clinton kind of way

hehe You're a bad boy! I like that in a man.....

 

[rambling man]

I like the bad in you, too.


Say, if I ever get it arranged you'll be the first one I'll invite.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Jenna Bush should certainly be held accountable for breaking the law and have to face the same consequences as anyone else breaking the law. Will she actually face those same consequences?

Of course not.

Extreme celebrity and power (or being related to someone with celebrity and power) may allow what is for most people impermissible to be permissible (think of the OJ situation and some of the Kennedy family scandals). But at the same time, it's undeniable that those in the public eye are subjected to a level of scrutiny that's hard for an ordinary person to imagine.

How often do you think a restaurant calls 911 to report the average college freshman using a fake ID? Is that being held to the same standard as an ordinary person?

Not to excuse underage drinking, but it's not like she, ummm... say, lied to a Federal Grand Jury under oath while holding the nation's highest office or anything.

Underage drinking is a crime, but a it's obviously a relatively minor one. In fact, as anyone who's been to college (particularly to a large southern state university)can attest, it's more of a rite of passage than a crime. While lip-service is paid to obeying the law, underage drinking is a nearly universal practice.

In situations like this I think people more or less try to hold the person in question to a similar standard we hold for ourselves. Let he who hasn't tried to buy liquor as a teenager cast the first stone. That's why nobody's all that fired up about this.

What then is the object of this fuss? Much of the left claims that the point is to point out the utter hypocrisy of it all. "You attack Clinton for 8 years and then turn Jenna Bush into Rosa Parks? You see how ridiculous this personal attack stuff is?" They have a great point, but their glee is a bit too apparent. Suddenly they can question Bush's down-home family values.
"How does having a law-breaking daughter fit in with your ideas of compassionate conservatism, Mr. President?"

I don't think they expected to enjoy the politics of personal destruction (as the Clintons loved to call it) this much. We'll see if they to give up these tactics once they're satisfied they've "taught the Republicans their lesson".

I really doubt it. I expect smear is here to stay.

 

[Unclebill]

Well, Ollie, I gotta agree with you on the presumption that the smear is here to stay. It has been a proven winner for the Democrats for years now and they're not likely to abandon such an effective tool.

Jenna Bush committed a stupid, juvenile act and committed a political crime which has brought public embarrassment to her father in particular. Like marijuana and other drug consumption crimes, underage drinking is just another political crime since any harm resulting from the consumption of the substance is to the person's self.

Since this is supposedly a free country, that means you as a free man own your own life and the government dictating what you may or may not consume is a collectivist primarily Fascist practice.

...What then is the object of this fuss? Much of the left claims that the point is to point out the utter hypocrisy of it all. "You attack Clinton for 8 years and then turn Jenna Bush into Rosa Parks? You see how ridiculous this personal attack stuff is?"...

The thing I still find so interesting is that those who pursued Clinton's criminal behaviors and who merely disclosed the truth about the man's absolute lack of principle is somehow a vicious personal attack but his and other Democrats practice of character assassination and smearing by lies is totally acceptable.

And these are the people championed as leaders! They're never identified as the hypocrites and thugs they really are.

But then when you embrace the principle that the end justifies the means, anything else goes just as well and you aren't hampered by such outdated inhibitors as honor, integrity, principle, common decency and self-respect.

 

[Andra_Jenny]

The common thought I am seeing among the liberals is that they expect their side to lie, that is just one of their tools.

Since their arguments are usually lies, or annecdotes pulled from the cuff, when presented with argument or facts, the must and hence do try to detroy the messenger. Rather than debate liberal big government policies in an attempt to defeat Bush's agenda, which I surmise, they cannot win, they seek now to destroy him,

in any way possible...

even lying.

 

[Andra_Jenny]

And I would like to add here that you see another Democratic ploy at work to avoid the truth.

A democrat will lie and try to put infringements on people's rights on almost any pretext while the Republican, is usually very much in touch with God and his 10 laws, one being lying, and are somewhat serious about having a clean conscience with their maker, so they find it very hard to debate with the Democrat.

When they go after them as in the case of Clinton lying and denying Ms. Jones her rights, the Democrat does not understand what the fuss is because it is understood that they are not lying to you, but to their constituency, the uneducated, ill, depraved, homeless, etc. It is a part of their stock in trade. They are not terribly strong on the bill of rights and simply do not see what the fuss is about.

But on the other hand, they will virulently attack the slightest hypocrasy of the republicans whenever they make the slightest breach of law, because republicans hold themselves to that higher standard.

Now what is it that we are do do?

Demand that Repblicans start lying?

Or rather (sorry dan)

that Democrats stop lying.