Jamie Lee Curtis comments on "Reality" TV

Ulaven_Demorte

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I went to a bar last week. To say goodbye to a young friend of mine going to start her new life in Paris. At the bar, there was a TV playing without sound, some reality show about cooking. I need to admit that I don't watch TV...have never seen a single episode of Cheers, Friends, Seinfeld, American Idol..well, you get the idea. I don't even know how to turn on my TV as there is now something called... Input 1 or 2 or 3 and I have no idea what to do.

There I was trying to celebrate with my friend when my eye kept being pulled to the set on the wall. There were some chefs on the screen, all standing with their hands clasped behind their backs, at attention, as a panel of people (who are they?) told them mostly bad things about, I assume, their food. I knew they weren't nice supportive comments as the camera was close on the chefs' faces and they looked scared and sad. They were then marched in and out as a group until one woman was asked to leave. She was crying, packing up her knives. It made me so sad and sick to watch. Why was I drawn to this? I didn't want her to lose...did I? Do I? I don't even know her. Why would I wish her harm?

I understand there are many of these shows now. All "elimination"-based and faux reality. Real like a firing squad. I understand there is a good side, a jubilant winner getting their shot at fame and fortunes, but the bulk of the watching, I gather, is some communal elimination where the audience gets a hand in the stone-throwing. It begs the question of why we feel the need to watch this. Are we all so unhappy in our own lives we need the fix of watching another human go into the gladiator ring and come out a bloody, eviscerated mess? What does Russell Crowe scream in Gladiator -- "Are you not entertained"?

I am not entertained and neither was that red-faced, tear-stained woman who was told she wasn't good enough. I was raised by parents who said there were only winners and losers. That the winners were good and the losers bad. The winners hard working and for the most part thin and attractive and the losers slovenly and unkempt. I don't believe them. I think the world is filled with people. People who try and dream and risk and stumble. Heavy, light, rich and poor and all who just seek to be seen and heard. Not judged and eliminated. When did life become Boot Camp? I understand that a screaming drill sergeant and the subsequent training prepares a young soldier as they go into battle but we have turned everything into a battle. Is that what life is? I don't think so. I hope this trend gets eliminated. That we return to telling stories that are written by great writers, rather than manipulated into looking real, but really are scripted and cast and controlled. What other human experience can we marginalize? What are the costs to our national psyche? What does this tell our children? What is this saying about us?

In my latest book for children, Is There Really A Human Race?, I pose the question: Is life nothing but a giant competition? It ends with these simple thoughts as the mother tries to reassure her young son:

"Shouldn't it be that you just try your best and that's more important than beating the rest? Shouldn't it be looking back at the end that you judge your own race by the help that you lend? So take what's inside you and make big, bold choices and for those who can't speak for themselves, use bold voices and make friends, love well and bring art to this place and make the world better for the whole human race."


When I was younger I always had a huge crush on Ms. Curtis. I'm pleased to know that her views on "reality" television are close to my own. It's nothing more than the Roman Coliseum sans actual bloodshed..for now.. "Are you not entertained!?"
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
"Shouldn't it be that you just try your best and that's more important than beating the rest? Shouldn't it be looking back at the end that you judge your own race by the help that you lend? So take what's inside you and make big, bold choices and for those who can't speak for themselves, use bold voices and make friends, love well and bring art to this place and make the world better for the whole human race."


Awwwww group hug!!!!!

Yes, lets become weak people who strive for mediocrity and give ourselves a pat on the back for just trying. Become the 2nd Europe just waiting for the next strongman to come about and run roughshod over us.
 
SleepingWarrior said:
Awwwww group hug!!!!!

Yes, lets become weak people who strive for mediocrity and give ourselves a pat on the back for just trying. Become the 2nd Europe just waiting for the next strongman to come about and run roughshod over us.

Way to completely miss the entire point.
I can't say I'm surprised.

There is healthy competition and then there is purposely berating someone for not being the absolute best at any particular activity. This is most of the reason that I can't stand to even watch American Idol (Simon is an asshole and needs the shit kicked out of him).

Idol and other "elimination" television shows (Hells Kitchen as another example) are just the Roman coliseum sanitized because actually murdering the competition is against the law. So the viewer settles instead for watching the "loser" contestant berated openly in lieu of seeing them fed to the lions.

Sorry, but I am not entertained by watching someone be dressed down and belittled because their best effort just wasn't good enough. I don't get any kind of enjoyment out of that, it just makes me want to kick the shit out of the person playing the bully.
 
There's nothing real about reality TV. They're just the new generation of game shows, only harsher.
 
I like Hell's Kitchen. I didn't watch it the first two years but my sister got me hooked on it this year. There's nothing else on, really, so that's our Monday night tv show.
 
I can't watch this stuff. Mostly it's the lack of writing and the dependence on being crude and obnoxious. I can get that here for free.

I watch stuff like CSI, House...

You know, dead bodies or soon to be dead bodies. Good, clean fun.
 
Recidiva said:
I can't watch this stuff. Mostly it's the lack of writing and the dependence on being crude and obnoxious. I can get that here for free.

I watch stuff like CSI, House...

You know, dead bodies or soon to be dead bodies. Good, clean fun.


Dead bodies. Soon-to-be-dead bodies.

My you stir my loins.

Now just speak French, Tish.
 
Cheyenne said:
I like Hell's Kitchen. I didn't watch it the first two years but my sister got me hooked on it this year. There's nothing else on, really, so that's our Monday night tv show.


Last nights wedding-party show made me tear up a bit.
 
Damn TV. Full of ads and stupidity. Slanted news and infomercials.

How is Paris doing?
 
If you're watching "reality" TV, you are watching someone else's dream, not following your own. Those people put themselves into that position to be judged.

Anyway, I've always had a crush on Jamie Lee Curtis, too.
 
ksmybuttons said:
If you're watching "reality" TV, you are watching someone else's dream, not following your own. Those people put themselves into that position to be judged.

Anyway, I've always had a crush on Jamie Lee Curtis, too.

He could totally leave me for her if she asked. She's that cool.
 
Is it true that Reality for the majority of America is so bleak that they feel the need to live through fake television reality shows? Sad comment on our society.
 
Ulaven_Demorte said:
What's Next, Broadcasting Executions?

I went to a bar last week. To say goodbye to a young friend of mine going to start her new life in Paris. At the bar, there was a TV playing without sound, some reality show about cooking. I need to admit that I don't watch TV...have never seen a single episode of Cheers, Friends, Seinfeld, American Idol..well, you get the idea. I don't even know how to turn on my TV as there is now something called... Input 1 or 2 or 3 and I have no idea what to do.

There I was trying to celebrate with my friend when my eye kept being pulled to the set on the wall. There were some chefs on the screen, all standing with their hands clasped behind their backs, at attention, as a panel of people (who are they?) told them mostly bad things about, I assume, their food. I knew they weren't nice supportive comments as the camera was close on the chefs' faces and they looked scared and sad. They were then marched in and out as a group until one woman was asked to leave. She was crying, packing up her knives. It made me so sad and sick to watch. Why was I drawn to this? I didn't want her to lose...did I? Do I? I don't even know her. Why would I wish her harm?

I understand there are many of these shows now. All "elimination"-based and faux reality. Real like a firing squad. I understand there is a good side, a jubilant winner getting their shot at fame and fortunes, but the bulk of the watching, I gather, is some communal elimination where the audience gets a hand in the stone-throwing. It begs the question of why we feel the need to watch this. Are we all so unhappy in our own lives we need the fix of watching another human go into the gladiator ring and come out a bloody, eviscerated mess? What does Russell Crowe scream in Gladiator -- "Are you not entertained"?

I am not entertained and neither was that red-faced, tear-stained woman who was told she wasn't good enough. I was raised by parents who said there were only winners and losers. That the winners were good and the losers bad. The winners hard working and for the most part thin and attractive and the losers slovenly and unkempt. I don't believe them. I think the world is filled with people. People who try and dream and risk and stumble. Heavy, light, rich and poor and all who just seek to be seen and heard. Not judged and eliminated. When did life become Boot Camp? I understand that a screaming drill sergeant and the subsequent training prepares a young soldier as they go into battle but we have turned everything into a battle. Is that what life is? I don't think so. I hope this trend gets eliminated. That we return to telling stories that are written by great writers, rather than manipulated into looking real, but really are scripted and cast and controlled. What other human experience can we marginalize? What are the costs to our national psyche? What does this tell our children? What is this saying about us?

In my latest book for children, Is There Really A Human Race?, I pose the question: Is life nothing but a giant competition? It ends with these simple thoughts as the mother tries to reassure her young son:

"Shouldn't it be that you just try your best and that's more important than beating the rest? Shouldn't it be looking back at the end that you judge your own race by the help that you lend? So take what's inside you and make big, bold choices and for those who can't speak for themselves, use bold voices and make friends, love well and bring art to this place and make the world better for the whole human race."


When I was younger I always had a huge crush on Ms. Curtis. I'm pleased to know that her views on "reality" television are close to my own. It's nothing more than the Roman Coliseum sans actual bloodshed..for now.. "Are you not entertained!?"

Very well put... There's definitely more to life than besting your opponent.

I'm very competitive, but conventional methods of measuring success fail to meet my needs and I don't apply them to my life on a regular basis.

People aren't good at everything. I realize that there are things I'm terrible at, but it doesn't stop me from enjoying them any less. I'm pretty good at some things as well, but I don't need to crush my opponents to make myself feel better. To me, that's the sign of a smaller individual. I'm pretty good just being the person I am and trying my best and not taking life too fucking seriously.
 
Recidiva said:
I can't watch this stuff. Mostly it's the lack of writing and the dependence on being crude and obnoxious. I can get that here for free.

I watch stuff like CSI, House...

You know, dead bodies or soon to be dead bodies. Good, clean fun.
Those are all reruns at this time of year. Summer is for garbage tv. Dance shows, cooking shows, etc.

I usually have the tv on for background noise while I'm reading or on the computer. Hell's Kitchen is pretty funny though. I can't imagine that a bride and groom would have their reception there unless it was for free. Too much risk.
 
SleepingWarrior said:
Awwwww group hug!!!!!

Yes, lets become weak people who strive for mediocrity and give ourselves a pat on the back for just trying. Become the 2nd Europe just waiting for the next strongman to come about and run roughshod over us.

Wait, you mean the europe that has a higher standard of living and who's currency is crushing the dollar?

we're the country of mediocrity, and capitalism is our battlecry.

having a strong military doesn't get you everything you want... vietnam, afghanistan, vietnam, and south korea all are proof of that.
 
Cheyenne said:
Those are all reruns at this time of year. Summer is for garbage tv. Dance shows, cooking shows, etc.

I usually have the tv on for background noise while I'm reading or on the computer. Hell's Kitchen is pretty funny though. I can't imagine that a bride and groom would have their reception there unless it was for free. Too much risk.

Yes, it's time to pick up new seasons of stuff, or turn to other channels for sustenance.

I'm heavily favoring catching up on Deep Sea Mysteries, Barbarians, Dirty Jobs, Digging for the Truth...

Hell, I'll rewatch them. Most of these shows I've just listened to while I'm doing something else. I hardly sit and watch anything any more, just let it play and if I actually get interested enough to sit and watch it, it's really good. Otherwise I end up backing up at the interesting parts saying "What the hell just happened?"

I am also anxious about whether or not "The Dresden Files" will be renewed.
 
richard_daily said:
Wait, you mean the europe that has a higher standard of living and who's currency is crushing the dollar?

we're the country of mediocrity, and capitalism is our battlecry.

having a strong military doesn't get you everything you want... vietnam, afghanistan, vietnam, and south korea all are proof of that.


Actually that is my point... if we played to win like we used to do those conflicts would have been won easily. Instead we try to be nice to those we are at war with because the people have become meek as sheep.

And Europe can only afford to do what it does is because we foolishly let them use our military to save and then cover their asses for 50 years.
 
SleepingWarrior said:
Actually that is my point... if we played to win like we used to do those conflicts would have been won easily. Instead we try to be nice to those we are at war with because the people have become meek as sheep.

And Europe can only afford to do what it does is because we foolishly let them use our military to save and then cover their asses for 50 years.

Playing to win is fine. Playing to win by any means, isn't.
 
Recidiva said:
Playing to win is fine. Playing to win by any means, isn't.


Worked to our advantage prior to the Korean War. War isn't meant to be fought while wearing the kiddie gloves. Defeat the enemy first then work on winning over their hearts and minds.

And it'd probably make ya happy to hear this... I'd rather have no war at all than this half-assed shit we've been doing where the best outcome to be had is an even-sum result.
 
SleepingWarrior said:
Worked to our advantage prior to the Korean War. War isn't meant to be fought while wearing the kiddie gloves. Defeat the enemy first then work on winning over their hearts and minds.

And it'd probably make ya happy to hear this... I'd rather have no war at all than this half-assed shit we've been doing where the best outcome to be had is an even-sum result.

I agree that wars of conquest are won without any holds barred.

However, if you go to war with an ethical motivation, you energize the army with a sense of duty to ethics. You need to continue to maintain that level of ethics or you lose those you brought to the table. They were willing to fight for justice, but when they believe it's ultimately conquest and they were lied to, they're disgusted with themselves.

The motivation for war is as key as the motivation for crime. Are you marauding into a village, raping and pillaging? Or are you marauding into a village to free someone there from rape and pillage?

Either one, being clear from the start gets the best results. I believe that's the problem with America going to war, which isn't a bad thing. We don't have the heart for conquest. We have a great deal of passion for justice, but in the end, the methods are those of conquest and it's disheartening.

I'd prefer that we had a few decent diplomats and Americans were willing to compromise politically rather than resort to bullying and writing a check.
 
SleepingWarrior said:
Actually that is my point... if we played to win like we used to do those conflicts would have been won easily. Instead we try to be nice to those we are at war with because the people have become meek as sheep.

And Europe can only afford to do what it does is because we foolishly let them use our military to save and then cover their asses for 50 years.

No offense, but your idea of how to gain power for america is skewed at best, phychotic at worst.

Military strength is not a substitute for diplomacy and international relations. The reason why the US did so well in WW2 was that we rev'ed up the war production, and it helped to shoot us out of a depression. Not to mention having the support of the international community.

Government accountants surely saw this and figured "hey, we can keep this going, it's a good thing! And surely you can never have too much of a good thing right??????" Well, nearly 60 years of war later, and you can see it's effects. Military spending over everything else, public and infastructure next to ignored. business over everything. Our government does not have the will of the people in mind when it goes to places like: iraq, cambodia, laos, vietnam, south korea.. and it's hardly that we are not "taking off the kid gloves', it's that the reasons for being there are different.

We can't go in and bomb the shit out of Baghdad like we did with Dresden, because the causes are different. We want cities intact because intact cities produce money. The problem is, we're in a much different era than we were in WW2. and you can't keep wartime economy going for almost a century. Clearly it doesn't work, and it works even less when you outsource your factories to a very potential enemy (china).

Military strength in and of itself has never allowed a country to hold power.. yet the us government focuses on that, and that alone time and time again... and look where it's gotten us?
 
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TV programming is a nightmare. Do people REALLY like watching this crap? Or do they watch it because it is all that is on TV? I watch reruns of the Andy Griffin show. At least Aunt Bea is funny.
 
Another problem with "reality" shows is the moronic dialogue:

"I'm pissed."

"That is a kickass outfit."

"I'm really pissed, so let's kick ass."

"I'm pissed. Let's go to the mall."

"That is a kickass idea, but I'm still pissed."
 
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