Jack Abramoff, you've just pled guilty to conspiracy, tax evasion and mail fraud...

How many years will Abramoff serve?

  • Zero... none... nada... zip

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • Less than 1 year

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • 1 to 5 years

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • 5 to 10 years

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • More than 10 years

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    14
Abramwho?

Whatever. Guy dresses like an oldskool badass. Cool hat indeed.
 
Liar said:
Abramwho?

Whatever. Guy dresses like an oldskool badass. Cool hat indeed.

I know. I bet his hat cost more than my car. The jacket probablly what I paid for my house. :cool:
 
cheerful_deviant said:
I know. I bet his hat cost more than my car. The jacket probablly what I paid for my house. :cool:
He should request his money back on the jacket, as it makes him look as big as your house.
 
Liar said:
Abramwho?

Whatever. Guy dresses like an oldskool badass. Cool hat indeed.

I'm very familiar with this asshole:

The Abramoff-Reed Indian Gambling Scandal (a.k.a. the "InGam Scam") is a U.S. political scandal involving the work done by political lobbyists Jack Abramoff, Ralph E. Reed, Jr., Grover Norquist and Michael Scanlon on behalf of Indian casino gambling interests. The lobbyists are accused of orchestrating lobbying against their own clients in order to force them to pay for lobbying services.

In the course of the scheme, the lobbyists are accused of illegally giving gifts and making campaign donations to legislators in return for votes or support of legislation. Politicians implicated include Tom DeLay, Byron Dorgan, Conrad Burns, Tom Harkin and Bob Ney.

In addition to his involvement in the Indian Gambling scandal, Abramoff is under investigation by a grand jury in Guam over possibly illegal contract payments and money laundering and was indicted on August 11, 2005 by a third grand jury in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, for a $23 million bank fraud arising out of the purchase of the SunCruz Casinos boat company. Abramoff is also a 'person of interest' in the murder investigation of Konstantinos Boulis, the original owner of SunCruz.

On January 3, 2006, Abramoff pleaded guilty to three felony counts, conspiracy, fraud, and tax evasion, involving charges stemming principally from his lobbying activities in Washington on behalf of Native American tribes. In addition, Abramoff and other defendants must make restitution of at least $25 million that was defrauded from clients, mostly the notably Native American tribes. Further, Abramoff owes the Internal Revenue Service $1.7 million as a result of his guilty plea to the tax evasion charge.

The agreement alleges that Abramoff bribed public officials, including a person identified as "Representative #1," but is obviously Bob Ney, a Republican congressman from Ohio. Also included: the hiring of congressional staffers and conspiring with them to lobby their former employers -- including members of Congress -- in violation of a one-year federal ban on such lobbying.

The case is far from over.
 
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Reload this Page Jack Abramoff, you've just pled guilty to conspiracy, tax evasion and mail fraud... What're you gonna do now?"

"I'm going to Disneyland! The one where Goofy does you up the bobo in the shower!"
 
He will probably just go to Argentina or some other such place. He may end up having some bank accounts impounded but I don't expect him to actually do any time in prison, except maybe overnight in a holding jail.
 
Evil Alpaca said:
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Reload this Page Jack Abramoff, you've just pled guilty to conspiracy, tax evasion and mail fraud... What're you gonna do now?"

"I'm going to Disneyland! The one where Goofy does you up the bobo in the shower!"

That's Mr. Goofy to you.... bitch.
 
Liar said:
By the sound of it, no.

Thanks for the info, Cloudy.

de nada. It's one of those few things that falls within my circle of interest. ;)
 
Despina said:
He should request his money back on the jacket, as it makes him look as big as your house.
That's the bullit proof vest he has to now wear!
 
I have no idea how much time he might serve.

The hat is first rate! The jacket should get him arrested by the fashion police. Say 1 to 5.

Cloudy, you forgot Harry Reid. Ol' Harry done got some BIG indian donations in the course of things. [Note to lawyers, I said donations and did not even HINT at bribes.]

JMHO.
 
Liar said:
Abramwho?

Whatever. Guy dresses like an oldskool badass. Cool hat indeed.

Precisely my reaction. Not a scoob who he is, but he dresses like an old school private detective, even down to the tightly clenched jaw and look of determination.

So, in other words, I like him. He looks like a dick.

The Earl
 
Mr. Abramoff is going to do what Ken Lay, Jeff Schilling and a number of other corporate malefactors with close ties to the GOP are going to do.

Keep their case alive in court until Bush's last day and act in office.

At which point they'll be given Presidential pardons.

You don't think they spent all that money for nothing, do you?
 
What's this? Corruption in government? I don't believe it!

Next you'll be trying to tell me there's no link between Saddam and the 9/11 terrorists!
 
TheEarl said:
So, in other words, I like him. He looks like a dick.

The Earl

Earl, baby - he's scum.

Native American Times 1/3/2006

Lobbyist Jack Abramoff's guilty pleas wrap up an investigation that has been going on for close to two years (see related story). During that time Abramoff has come under bi-partisan fire for the way he treated American Indian tribes.

Here are some quotes about Abramoff’s dealings:

North Dakota Senator Kent Conrad: "Incredibly, deeply cynical.”

Former Colorado Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell: “[Abramoff was] putting prices on the lives of tribal elders."

Alabama-Coushatta Chairman Ronnie Thomas: "We are surprised and disheartened by what was done to us. I blame Mr. Abramoff for not being honest."

Cherokee Nation spokesman Mike Miller, half-joking, after being asked if there are any regrets that the tribe did not take Abramoff up on his offer to represent them: “What kind of question is that?”

Saginaw Chippewa Indian Tribe Subchief Bernie Sprague, on the fate of Abramoff and former partner Michael P. Scanlon: “They're out of jobs. They're not going to be scamming people out of millions of dollars.“

Bestselling author Carl Hiassen: “[Abramoff left a] glistening slime trail.”

Marc Schwartz, a Texas consultant who served as the Tiguas Tribe’s point man on the deal with Abramoff: “[It was one of] the most despicable acts of greed and fraud that I hope to never, ever see again."

Rabbi Haim Dov Beliak, Gelya Frank and Carole Goldberg, making a joint statement in the Native American Times in Oct. of 2005: “If anything, Abramoff’s experience as a Jew should have made him more, not less, sensitive to the humanity and concerns of Indian people. Like Jews, American Indians know what it means to be historically dispossessed.”
 
Abramoff may be scum. However, if he can get a lawyer of the same skill as the guy who picks out his hats, he gonna' walk clean here.
 
R. Richard said:
Abramoff may be scum. However, if he can get a lawyer of the same skill as the guy who picks out his hats, he gonna' walk clean here.

He can't "walk clean." He's already pled guilty to three felony counts.

Whether he actually does any time for them remains to be seen, of course.
 
Just gotta love Bush-Cheney. Abramoff was involved in $100,000 worth of campaign contributions for re-election. How much is Bush donating to charity? $6,000. They're keeping the rest, saying they don't know if foulplay was involved in those donations. :rolleyes:
Yeah, Abramoff is gonna talk and point fingers at high level people and he's totally going to walk.
 
cloudy said:
He can't "walk clean." He's already pled guilty to three felony counts.

Whether he actually does any time for them remains to be seen, of course.

That last is what I was referring to. Just because you have been convicted of murder, rape and arson does not mean you are going to jail. Your probability of landing in jail in inversely proportional to the price of your lawyer. If you a sufficiently skilled/connected lawyer, you do not need to sweat the small shit and it's all small shit.
 
R. Richard said:
That last is what I was referring to. Just because you have been convicted of murder, rape and arson does not mean you are going to jail. Your probability of landing in jail in inversely proportional to the price of your lawyer. If you a sufficiently skilled/connected lawyer, you do not need to sweat the small shit and it's all small shit.

Not just the expensive lawyer, but his connections, which are as good as they come. He will probably pay a big fine and do some kind of house confinement and probation. Maybe even some community survice (Ha ha, he laughs, bitterly) but no jail time, except for a possible few hours while he is gathering together money to pay the fine.
 
What are we bitching about? This is the world we want: Money rules and losers drool.

Unbecoming of us to complain when we get what we want.
 
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