I've heard some BS in my time...but dont mass feed the homeless?

[Chantilyvamp]

http://www.wftv.com/news/14289861/detail.html

You can get jailed for feeding homeless people...wtf is wrong with people? Okay so i know they don't wont mass feeding (why does this sound so much like don't feed the animals at the zoo? ) of more than a group of 25, but still it's a bit much I think. Jail someone for offering food to the hungry

Course others might agree with it but I still say it falls within the lines of dumbass laws.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I find this to be totally unbelievable, unless there is something omitted from the article. Feeding the hungry/homeless is a long tradition in the US. The Salvation Army feeds millions of people every day, and other organizatons do the same kind of thing. Maybe it's a matter of doing so in a public park, or something like that. Even so, it's BS.

 

[rgraham666]

http://www.wftv.com/news/14289861/detail.html

You can get jailed for feeding homeless people...wtf is wrong with people? Okay so i know they don't wont mass feeding (why does this sound so much like don't feed the animals at the zoo? ) of more than a group of 25, but still it's a bit much I think. Jail someone for offering food to the hungry

Course others might agree with it but I still say it falls within the lines of dumbass laws.

It doesn't surprise me.

The poor, according to the religion many people follow, are sinners. They aren't smart enough. They're not strong enough. They don't work at all, never mind hard. They didn't get the proper education and there's lots of jobs out there.

The Faith is clear. If people don't succeed it's because they chose to not succeed. The Faith says that anyone can succeed if they act according to the Faith.

These people, according to the believers in the Faith, chose to sin. So there is no reason to be good to them. It will only help them to sin more.

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[3113]

I find this to be totally unbelievable, unless there is something omitted from the article. Feeding the hungry/homeless is a long tradition in the US. The Salvation Army feeds millions of people every day, and other organizatons do the same kind of thing. Maybe it's a matter of doing so in a public park, or something like that. Even so, it's BS.

I gather it does have to do with public parks. This fills in the blanks on the law:

...a controversial law against feeding large groups of destitute people in the city centre....The Orlando law, which is supported by local business owners who say the homeless drive away customers, has been challenged in court by civil rights groups. It allows charities to feed more than 25 people at a time within 3.2 kilometres of the Orlando City Hall only if they have a special permit. They are able to receive two permits a year.

So the Law seems to be that you can't feed large groups of homeless (25 or more) in the city center unless you have a permit, and groups only get two permits a year. This guy didn't have a permit to do this, hence, he broke the law.

We presume that the Salvation Army, etc. are (1) not feeding them at near Orlando City Hall or (2) are doing so with a permit.

Which is not to say I agree with the law. It's a frustrating Catch-22 that the U.S. has created for itself. The voters and government have been made so scared of lazy people taking advantage of money to help poor people, that they've cut off such funds and created a lot of homeless folk who end up begging on the street, which frustrates businesses, which then make laws like this to try and herd the homeless to other places, which then make laws to herd them to other places. Meanwhile charitable groups that are trying to help the homeless can only do so within limits--which isn't necessarily wrong; it's a city that has to watch out for everyone...but, again, Catch-22; if even charities can't help these people, then they stay homeless.

We had a big bruhaha over a charitable shelter being built--homeowners miles from the proposed area were up in arms! "Not near our town!" But if you don't build the shelters, don't create places where they can get food, a place to stay, a chance to get work, they'll stay homeless.

This is just another attempt to sweep the homeless under the rug rather than actually solve the problem. Maybe they shouldn't be fed in the park...but are these businesses hiring these homeless? Giving them work so that they don't need to hang out in the parks for a meal? You can look back all the way to the middle ages where begging was illegal...it doesn't magically make the homeless go away.

 

[MagicaPractica]

NIMBY = Not in my backyard *sigh*

Moments ~ Emerson Drive

"I was coming to the end of a long long walk
When a man crawled out of a cardboard box
Under the E. Street Bridge
Followed me on to it
I went out halfway across
With that homeless shadow tagging along
So I dug for some change
Wouldn't need it anyway
He took it lookin' just a bit ashamed
He said, You know, I haven't always been this way

I've had my moments, days in the sun
Moments I was second to none
Moments when I knew I did what I thought I couldn't do
Like that plane ride coming home from the war
That summer my son was born
And memories like a coat so warm
A cold wind can't get through
Lookin' at me now you might not know it
But I've had my moments

I stood there tryin' to find my nerve
Wondering if a single soul on Earth
Would care at all
Miss me when I'm gone
That old man just kept hanging around
Lookin' at me, lookin' down
I think he recognized
That look in my eyes
Standing with him there I felt ashamed
I said, You know, I haven't always felt this way

I've had my moments, days in the sun
Moments I was second to none
Moments when I knew I did what I thought I couldn't do
Like the day I walked away from the wine
For a woman who became my wife
And a love that, when it was right,
Could always see me through
Lookin' at me now you might not know it
But I've had my moments

I know somewhere 'round a trashcan fire tonight
That old man tells his story one more time
He says

I've had my moments, days in the sun
Moments I was second to none
Moments when I knew I did what I thought I couldn't do
Like that cool night on the E. Street Bridge
When a young man almost ended it
I was right there, wasn't scared a bit
And I helped to pull him through
Lookin' at me now you might not know it
Oh, lookin' at me now you might not know it
But I've had my moments"

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm familiar with the situation.

Orlando has a problem with homeless men roosting downtown. The library is generally their favorite place to be. Whenever I go to the library there are a lot of men...bathing in the restrooms and sleeping at the desks.

Tampa has the same problem. The guys hang-out all night drinking, fucking, and doing drugs (they trash parking lots with debris from their parties). During the day they sleep on benches in the downtown parks and bus stations.

The cops always arrest the do-gooders who set up soup kitchens downtown.

The guys could go to Salvation Army or Metropolitan Ministries, but they cant drink or fuck or do drugs there.

 

[Stella_Omega]

"a limit of 25 people"

How do you limit people walking up to you in a public place? Is it like my feral cats-- trap them and take them to the cshelter when there are too many to handle? It breaks my heart when I have to do that-- can you imagine how I'd feel about humans!

From Manhatten Transfer;



GENTLEMAN WITH A FAMILY Lyrics

Scarecrow, weathered and weary
Fragile and old beyond his years
Here we are - chosen
In your eyes, the truth lies frozen

Soldier in the city heat
Refugee in every street
And life goes by
Standing in the pouring rain

(Chorus)
He's a gentleman with a family
A gentle man, living day to day
He's a gentleman with pride,
one may conclude
Sign reads, Gentleman with a
family will work for food

Shadows haunting his tired eyes
Reaching beyond the empty hand
Here we are, the chosen
In your eyes, the truth lies, frozen

Soldier in the city heat
Refugee on any street
And life goes by
An apostle to these worn out souls

He's a gentleman with a family
A gentle man, living day to day
He's a gentleman with pride,
one may conclude
Sign reads, Gentleman with a
family will work for food

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

3113

The government does take care of them. The government funds charitable organizations to house, feed, and clothe these guys. But the guys refuse to respect the rules. That is, no drinking, drugs, or sex is allowed in the facilities. So they hang out on the streets.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STELLA

These men arent feral cats. Theyre addicts who refuse to play by the rules. Plus theyre disorderly and attract predators.

Every major city here has the problem.

My solution is to open the fairgrounds. Distribute tents and sleeping bags. Open a kitchen and clinic. And secure the area with deputies. But they still wont be able to drink, fuck, and do drugs....and thats the sticking point.

 

[R. Richard]

It is very easy to criticize those who are arresting people for feeding the homeless. However, let's look at the total situation.

You set up a soup kitchen in the park and ladle food into paper plates and cups. The homeless then have a hot meal, perhaps for the first time in a week. So far, so good. Then the homeless tend to just drop the paper plate and/or paper cup on the ground. [Some of them are stoned, some of them just don't care.] Now, a public park has become a mini garbage dump.

In addition, some of the newly energized homeless begin to panhandle the rest of the park users. Giving a little pocket change to a homeless person in such circumstances is something like giving food to a bear, it works as long as you don't run out of food, then the bear attacks.

The fuzz won't let the homeless use the park as a bedroom. However, it is really not practical to prevent the homeless from using the park as a restroom. [Puts kind of a different slant on things, doesn't it?]

Oh yeah, if they are feeding the homeless in a park, don't let your young children use the park. Some of the homeless are also sex offenders. The fuzz are supposed to monitor sex offenders, but the fuzz have many other things to do, especially if there is a sale on at the doughnut shop.

 

[Chantilyvamp]

3113

The government does take care of them. The government funds charitable organizations to house, feed, and clothe these guys. But the guys refuse to respect the rules. That is, no drinking, drugs, or sex is allowed in the facilities. So they hang out on the streets.

And have you not ever heard that some of the places are full and won't always accept more people? * boggles* I've worked in those places and they can only take so many.

And do you know every single homeless person in the downtown area to make that assumption about every one of them?

I'm not saying some of them might be like that but you just dumped all of them in the same boat!

its like saying that you like banana ice cream so everyone withing a 10 mile radius of you must as well.

 

[English Lady]

I gave food to a lady wo knocked on my door yesterday. She had a little baby, spoke little english and looked in need. She wanted money, but I don't do that o I gave her some food. I give food to beggars in towns, too.

People deserve to be fed and I guess it's easier for people to accept something they are given by someone coming up to them than to go to a shelter etc and essentially ask for something, just by the act of going.

It's so sad that people can't go to the homeless and help. If no onegoes and feeds them, takes them to shelters etc, won't the problem get worse?

 

[English Lady]

It is very easy to criticize those who are arresting people for feeding the homeless. However, let's look at the total situation.

You set up a soup kitchen in the park and ladle food into paper plates and cups. The homeless then have a hot meal, perhaps for the first time in a week. So far, so good. Then the homeless tend to just drop the paper plate and/or paper cup on the ground. [Some of them are stoned, some of them just don't care.] Now, a public park has become a mini garbage dump.


Can't someone just pick it up? I'm sure the same people feeding these folks would do this...this just doesn't sound like a real problem to me.

In addition, some of the newly energized homeless begin to panhandle the rest of the park users. Giving a little pocket change to a homeless person in such circumstances is something like giving food to a bear, it works as long as you don't run out of food, then the bear attacks.

Assumption? How do you know? Maybe the soup will just keep a poor soul alive and maybe he/she will be grateful and *shock* not actually hurt anyone or anything?

The fuzz won't let the homeless use the park as a bedroom. However, it is really not practical to prevent the homeless from using the park as a restroom. [Puts kind of a different slant on things, doesn't it?]

All kinds a people piss in all kinds of places (drunk, desperate, ill) and other people then clean up after 'em -that ain't nothing new.

Oh yeah, if they are feeding the homeless in a park, don't let your young children use the park. Some of the homeless are also sex offenders. The fuzz are supposed to monitor sex offenders, but the fuzz have many other things to do, especially if there is a sale on at the doughnut shop.

Anyone else you might want ot stereotype whilst you are at it? Some business men are sex offenders, some dad's are, some mums are, some shop keepers are etc etc etc, you gotta be on the look out all the time as a parent, no matter what kind of person is around you at the time.

I think it's sad that people use these kind of stereotypes and tar people with the same brush.

My husband has been homeless, he didn't turn to crime, he didn't piss in any park and he didn't drink or do drugs. He was lucky, a church organisation found him and took him in to their shelter. I'll be forever thankful to them for that.

 

[Chantilyvamp]

The other thing about the shelters is some of them are so dangerous and known for rapes, theft, murders etc. I think in that situation I might choose the street as well if I thought it was unsafe.

 

[MagicaPractica]

The other thing about the shelters is some of them are so dangerous and known for rapes, theft, murders etc. I think in that situation I might choose the street as well if I thought it was unsafe.

Most shelters won't take families together so the husband has to leave the wife and children on their own at the shelter too.

Anyone who hasn't seen The Pursuit of Happyness - I highly recommend it. Will Smith and it's based on a true story. Excellent film and part of it illustrates these problems.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

CHANTILLY

If I say "women have babies" I'm confident you can find me plenty of women who are childless, then use them to try and refute my argument.

We're not speaking all ALL homeless, we're speaking of the voluntary homeless with addictions and anti-social personalities, and the do-gooders who reinforce the problem behaviors.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

The problem is one of quantity and risk.

If you invited 1 or 5 homeless people to to dinner in a resturaunt, so what? If you invited those same people to your home and fed them, so what?

On the other hand, if you set up a soup pot on the corner and began feeding people (homeless or otherwise) you are acting as an unregulated and uninspected resturaunt and potentally, in the eyes of the health department, both competing with legitimate eateries and possibly poisoning your customers.

That is the outlook of the powers that be here. If this guy wants to feed the homeless, he needs to go through the routine and set up an authorized, legal "soup kitchen" and stop bitching because he broke the law.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

One of the local cities had an incident involving the homeless camping-out in downtown parks. They had a tent city erected. And the newspaper was outraged when the police evicted everyone.

I suggested that anyone supporting the campers fetch one home to camp in the yard behind the house. No one did.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JENNY JACKSON

That will make a fine tale. A do-gooder sociopath who poisons the town's homeless with free meals. Then Elwood's sister can sue the city for not protecting her dear, dead brother.

 

[Chantilyvamp]

CHANTILLY

If I say "women have babies" I'm confident you can find me plenty of women who are childless, then use them to try and refute my argument.

We're not speaking all ALL homeless, we're speaking of the voluntary homeless with addictions and anti-social personalities, and the do-gooders who reinforce the problem behaviors.

Well you didn't clarify that in what you said that you were only speaking of some of the homeless. And as I started the thread I didn't see anything anywhere until later that we were speaking of the voluntary homeless with addictions. And darlin my name is spelled Chantily.

 

[Stella_Omega]

STELLA

These men arent feral cats. Theyre addicts who refuse to play by the rules. Plus theyre disorderly and attract predators.

Every major city here has the problem.

My solution is to open the fairgrounds. Distribute tents and sleeping bags. Open a kitchen and clinic. And secure the area with deputies. But they still wont be able to drink, fuck, and do drugs....and thats the sticking point.

I do like that idea, very much.

But... where do the county fairs go?

I do have a bit of a problem with the strict morality code, although I do understand the reason. one drink is never enough, etc. And of course, only people who live in houses can get away with doing drugs. The no fucking rule... They don't deserve to cohabitate, i suppose. Can't be trusted. They'll want to do it ALL the time.

Oh, I know! We could distribute Playstations, to take their minds off their unnatural urges.

 

[matriarch]

Well you didn't clarify that in what you said that you were only speaking of some of the homeless. And as I started the thread I didn't see anything anywhere until later that we were speaking of the voluntary homeless with addictions. And darlin my name is spelled Chantily.

Chant, a word of advice.
This guy is a bigoted, racist, moron.
All of his posts have the same tenor.
He's a waste of space, and seems to me to be a shit-stirrer.
Even the inimitable, predictable Ami is more of an intelligent read than this guy.
My advice, put him on ignore. I have.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STELLA

I knew 2 people who brought homeless home with them. In the one case the homeless person shit on the bed. In the second event the homeless person got the Good Samaritan evicted within a week.

No not for profit can allow the drinking and drugs, because of the liability and threatened harm to other residents. And the fucking raises all kinds of liability issues, too. Lawyers have wet-dreams about stuff like that.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

MATRIARCH

Show me your evidence I'm a racist?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STELLA

My thinking is if they need a safe place to crash a county fair ground is good because it has plenty of room and facilities for cooking and sanitation and restricted access, plus plenty of out-buildings for shelter from the elements. Give um a tent and sleeping bag and stuff um in a barn.