I've Fallen Into a Redneck Soap Opera!

SlickTony

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This all got started because our house had a hole in the roof, had something wrong with the chimney, and needed a new roof and new siding. So we called this outfit that came recommended by a couple I've gone to church with for ten years--they're building contractors, so I figured they'd know who the best roofing and siding people are.

In late August or September, I called the outfit, and after about a week of missed connections, they sent out the guy who actually does the work out to look at our place and give us an estimate. After a bunch of aborted meetings, he finally made it out to our house, and later on that week, he gave us a quote. Which gave my husband such a severe case of sticker shock that we made no decision for upwards of a month, during which time he attempted to get quotes from other people. It's a seller's market down here in Florida. It's very hard to get anybody to come out and give you a quote on a renovation when all the construction people are working hammer and tongs to throw up as many new condos as they possibly can before the housing bubble bursts. Besides, I'd seen some prices on various notices of commencement--I see all these documents in the course of my work--and consulted with our church friends, and it didn't seem out of line to them.

Then one night my cell rang, and out of the blue, it was the guy who'd given us the quote. The call ended, and I called him back, and it turned out that he hadn't meant to call me--he'd been messing around with his phone and I guess you could say it called me. I said to my husband, "It's the 1st Coast guy, what should I tell him?" and he said, "Oh, hell, tell him to come out."

He came to the house, and we told him what we needed done, and drew up a contract. While this was happening, the cats came up and got in his face, but he said it was all right, he liked cats, and cats, dogs and kids tended to like him. After a few days, he came out with this other guy, and they started on the roof. The roof, as I mentioned, had a hole in it, which had allowed water to drip onto the soffit They resided the chimney, and put new shingles on the roof. In the meantime, they have turned my back yard, and sometimes the side yard, into a construction site, with a temporary work table made of sawhorses and plywood. There is a large Ridgid tool box up against the back fence. It's been very interesting and educational, watching them at work.

We have this arrangement. The thing is, this man's official capacity is as a roofer, but his boss thinks well enough of him to let him do siding on the side. This is all very well, except that at any time, someone else's roof trumps our siding, so the siding is not finished yet.

For those of the readership who might wonder what the guy is like, he is a man of middle height, very fit and trim, (nice shoulders!) with round, ingenuous blue eyes. When I talked to him on the phone, I took him for an older man, but when I first met him, I thought, oh, he's young, no more than early 30s. I adjusted my estimate of his age upwards when I saw the gray in his beard and when he told me how long he'd been in the roofing business, which is 30 years. It was in the family. I was able to pinpoint his age more accurately the first time he took off his cap. He and the guys he works with, who change a lot, are quintessential good ol' boys. They listen to country music on the radio when they're at work. The roofer is from Arkansas, and when he wasn't doing child labor for his father, lived an idyllic country life of huntin', fishin', drinking beer and growing dope out in the woods. In short, so different from the way I was raised that he seems kind of exotic, although not as much as my first husband, who was from another country. When I come out to look at what he's done, and take pictures of the process, I find myself flirting with him a little. I don't think a woman should ever get totally out of practice, but that's as far as it goes.

The last weekend he was here, he got the end of the house almost all done, only quitting because the light had gone, although he did work a while after that because he had a headlight. He was supposed to come out this last weekend and finish the end and come around to the front, and replace the kneewall which we'd had to pull off because it had rotted, after which the house would be ready to paint. On Saturday, he called saying that he had to help someone out with a job of theirs, but he'd be there the next day, with reinforcements. Except he wasn't. I called him, and left a message in his voice mail, and usually he's good about calling back, but I didn't hear from him all the rest of the day.

Monday afternoon, the mystery was solved: at 4:45, he called and explained that he hadn't come on Sunday because he spent the weekend in the pokey (his words). Seems that after his last job, he and a bud bought a 6-pack of beer, and had one apiece. And then he was pulled over for not using his signal, and then the cop spotted the two empties in the truck. And he refused the breathalyser test, because he believes them to be inaccurate, insisting on a blood test. So he got busted. His boss had to bail him out, and he withdrew and used every last penny in his bank account to pay his lawyer. Moreover, the week before, he'd quarreled with his girlfriend, who threw him out, so he was living in a hotel on the expressway that has an evil reputation. It--or one of its rooms--was featured in our local free rag as the venue of a meth lab.

So he said he'd knock $200 off his original quote if I'd give him enough money so he could feed his truck and pay his hotel bill and eat and stuff. I found myself agreeing to give him $500, because I know from personal experience how fast $200 melts away when it's all you've got in the world. Except that he asked me to make the check out to a friend, because he didn't have a bank account, because he'd closed out his and couldn't open a new one until he had his ID back--he was driving on a hardship permit so that he could do his job. He thanked me profusely, and I went back to my work, feeling exactly like a woman who's let a man fast-talk her into doing something against her better judgment, and which, for all she knows, could land her ass in trouble.

I left the check under a paint can on my back porch the next morning, and for the next few hours I had daymares about the friend taking the check, cashing it, and lighting out for Ybor City or wherever people light out for in this part of the world, when they've absquatulated with someone else's money. But evidently his friend had proved true, because we spoke later in the day, and he seemed considerably happier, and he's promised to bring at least two other guys and get my house finished this coming weekend.

In the meantime, the weather has been foul, and I'm really starting to wonder if this will get done by Christmas. I'd wanted to put up lights. I'd even had an electrician come out an install a receptacle in the front of the house--which should have been installed when it was built--but I can hardly do this before the siding's all done, now can I?

Feh.
 
Crossin' my fingers and hopin' it's finished in time for Christmas lights. (Not holding my breath though.) :kiss:
 
SlickTony said:
This all got started because our house had a hole in the roof, had something wrong with the chimney, and needed a new roof and new siding. So we called this outfit that came recommended by a couple I've gone to church with for ten years--they're building contractors, so I figured they'd know who the best roofing and siding people are.

In late August or September, I called the outfit, and after about a week of missed connections, they sent out the guy who actually does the work out to look at our place and give us an estimate. After a bunch of aborted meetings, he finally made it out to our house, and later on that week, he gave us a quote. Which gave my husband such a severe case of sticker shock that we made no decision for upwards of a month, during which time he attempted to get quotes from other people. It's a seller's market down here in Florida. It's very hard to get anybody to come out and give you a quote on a renovation when all the construction people are working hammer and tongs to throw up as many new condos as they possibly can before the housing bubble bursts. Besides, I'd seen some prices on various notices of commencement--I see all these documents in the course of my work--and consulted with our church friends, and it didn't seem out of line to them.

Then one night my cell rang, and out of the blue, it was the guy who'd given us the quote. The call ended, and I called him back, and it turned out that he hadn't meant to call me--he'd been messing around with his phone and I guess you could say it called me. I said to my husband, "It's the 1st Coast guy, what should I tell him?" and he said, "Oh, hell, tell him to come out."

He came to the house, and we told him what we needed done, and drew up a contract. While this was happening, the cats came up and got in his face, but he said it was all right, he liked cats, and cats, dogs and kids tended to like him. After a few days, he came out with this other guy, and they started on the roof. The roof, as I mentioned, had a hole in it, which had allowed water to drip onto the soffit They resided the chimney, and put new shingles on the roof. In the meantime, they have turned my back yard, and sometimes the side yard, into a construction site, with a temporary work table made of sawhorses and plywood. There is a large Ridgid tool box up against the back fence. It's been very interesting and educational, watching them at work.

We have this arrangement. The thing is, this man's official capacity is as a roofer, but his boss thinks well enough of him to let him do siding on the side. This is all very well, except that at any time, someone else's roof trumps our siding, so the siding is not finished yet.

For those of the readership who might wonder what the guy is like, he is a man of middle height, very fit and trim, (nice shoulders!) with round, ingenuous blue eyes. When I talked to him on the phone, I took him for an older man, but when I first met him, I thought, oh, he's young, no more than early 30s. I adjusted my estimate of his age upwards when I saw the gray in his beard and when he told me how long he'd been in the roofing business, which is 30 years. It was in the family. I was able to pinpoint his age more accurately the first time he took off his cap. He and the guys he works with, who change a lot, are quintessential good ol' boys. They listen to country music on the radio when they're at work. The roofer is from Arkansas, and when he wasn't doing child labor for his father, lived an idyllic country life of huntin', fishin', drinking beer and growing dope out in the woods. In short, so different from the way I was raised that he seems kind of exotic, although not as much as my first husband, who was from another country. When I come out to look at what he's done, and take pictures of the process, I find myself flirting with him a little. I don't think a woman should ever get totally out of practice, but that's as far as it goes.

The last weekend he was here, he got the end of the house almost all done, only quitting because the light had gone, although he did work a while after that because he had a headlight. He was supposed to come out this last weekend and finish the end and come around to the front, and replace the kneewall which we'd had to pull off because it had rotted, after which the house would be ready to paint. On Saturday, he called saying that he had to help someone out with a job of theirs, but he'd be there the next day, with reinforcements. Except he wasn't. I called him, and left a message in his voice mail, and usually he's good about calling back, but I didn't hear from him all the rest of the day.

Monday afternoon, the mystery was solved: at 4:45, he called and explained that he hadn't come on Sunday because he spent the weekend in the pokey (his words). Seems that after his last job, he and a bud bought a 6-pack of beer, and had one apiece. And then he was pulled over for not using his signal, and then the cop spotted the two empties in the truck. And he refused the breathalyser test, because he believes them to be inaccurate, insisting on a blood test. So he got busted. His boss had to bail him out, and he withdrew and used every last penny in his bank account to pay his lawyer. Moreover, the week before, he'd quarreled with his girlfriend, who threw him out, so he was living in a hotel on the expressway that has an evil reputation. It--or one of its rooms--was featured in our local free rag as the venue of a meth lab.

So he said he'd knock $200 off his original quote if I'd give him enough money so he could feed his truck and pay his hotel bill and eat and stuff. I found myself agreeing to give him $500, because I know from personal experience how fast $200 melts away when it's all you've got in the world. Except that he asked me to make the check out to a friend, because he didn't have a bank account, because he'd closed out his and couldn't open a new one until he had his ID back--he was driving on a hardship permit so that he could do his job. He thanked me profusely, and I went back to my work, feeling exactly like a woman who's let a man fast-talk her into doing something against her better judgment, and which, for all she knows, could land her ass in trouble.

I left the check under a paint can on my back porch the next morning, and for the next few hours I had daymares about the friend taking the check, cashing it, and lighting out for Ybor City or wherever people light out for in this part of the world, when they've absquatulated with someone else's money. But evidently his friend had proved true, because we spoke later in the day, and he seemed considerably happier, and he's promised to bring at least two other guys and get my house finished this coming weekend.

In the meantime, the weather has been foul, and I'm really starting to wonder if this will get done by Christmas. I'd wanted to put up lights. I'd even had an electrician come out an install a receptacle in the front of the house--which should have been installed when it was built--but I can hardly do this before the siding's all done, now can I?

Feh.

You want to get the receptacle installed BEFORE the siding, so the electrician doesn't have to cut into the siding to do his work.
 
LOLOLOLOL

Welcome to Florida.

Hey just be happy it isn't Hunting Season, he would have vanished for at least a week. :devil:

And people think I'm goofing on them when I make comments about my neighbors.

And yes, they either run for Ybor City, Jacksonville, Miami or Yeehaw Junction.

It seems that yesterday we had a Road Rage Incident in the area which included Gunfire and Deer Antlers. :rolleyes:

Cat
 
SlickTony said:
This all got started because our house had a hole in the roof, had something wrong with the chimney, and needed a new roof and new siding. So we called this outfit that came recommended by a couple I've gone to church with for ten years--they're building contractors, so I figured they'd know who the best roofing and siding people are.

In late August or September, I called the outfit, and after about a week of missed connections, they sent out the guy who actually does the work out to look at our place and give us an estimate. After a bunch of aborted meetings, he finally made it out to our house, and later on that week, he gave us a quote. Which gave my husband such a severe case of sticker shock that we made no decision for upwards of a month, during which time he attempted to get quotes from other people. It's a seller's market down here in Florida. It's very hard to get anybody to come out and give you a quote on a renovation when all the construction people are working hammer and tongs to throw up as many new condos as they possibly can before the housing bubble bursts. Besides, I'd seen some prices on various notices of commencement--I see all these documents in the course of my work--and consulted with our church friends, and it didn't seem out of line to them.

Then one night my cell rang, and out of the blue, it was the guy who'd given us the quote. The call ended, and I called him back, and it turned out that he hadn't meant to call me--he'd been messing around with his phone and I guess you could say it called me. I said to my husband, "It's the 1st Coast guy, what should I tell him?" and he said, "Oh, hell, tell him to come out."

He came to the house, and we told him what we needed done, and drew up a contract. While this was happening, the cats came up and got in his face, but he said it was all right, he liked cats, and cats, dogs and kids tended to like him. After a few days, he came out with this other guy, and they started on the roof. The roof, as I mentioned, had a hole in it, which had allowed water to drip onto the soffit They resided the chimney, and put new shingles on the roof. In the meantime, they have turned my back yard, and sometimes the side yard, into a construction site, with a temporary work table made of sawhorses and plywood. There is a large Ridgid tool box up against the back fence. It's been very interesting and educational, watching them at work.

We have this arrangement. The thing is, this man's official capacity is as a roofer, but his boss thinks well enough of him to let him do siding on the side. This is all very well, except that at any time, someone else's roof trumps our siding, so the siding is not finished yet.

For those of the readership who might wonder what the guy is like, he is a man of middle height, very fit and trim, (nice shoulders!) with round, ingenuous blue eyes. When I talked to him on the phone, I took him for an older man, but when I first met him, I thought, oh, he's young, no more than early 30s. I adjusted my estimate of his age upwards when I saw the gray in his beard and when he told me how long he'd been in the roofing business, which is 30 years. It was in the family. I was able to pinpoint his age more accurately the first time he took off his cap. He and the guys he works with, who change a lot, are quintessential good ol' boys. They listen to country music on the radio when they're at work. The roofer is from Arkansas, and when he wasn't doing child labor for his father, lived an idyllic country life of huntin', fishin', drinking beer and growing dope out in the woods. In short, so different from the way I was raised that he seems kind of exotic, although not as much as my first husband, who was from another country. When I come out to look at what he's done, and take pictures of the process, I find myself flirting with him a little. I don't think a woman should ever get totally out of practice, but that's as far as it goes.

The last weekend he was here, he got the end of the house almost all done, only quitting because the light had gone, although he did work a while after that because he had a headlight. He was supposed to come out this last weekend and finish the end and come around to the front, and replace the kneewall which we'd had to pull off because it had rotted, after which the house would be ready to paint. On Saturday, he called saying that he had to help someone out with a job of theirs, but he'd be there the next day, with reinforcements. Except he wasn't. I called him, and left a message in his voice mail, and usually he's good about calling back, but I didn't hear from him all the rest of the day.

Monday afternoon, the mystery was solved: at 4:45, he called and explained that he hadn't come on Sunday because he spent the weekend in the pokey (his words). Seems that after his last job, he and a bud bought a 6-pack of beer, and had one apiece. And then he was pulled over for not using his signal, and then the cop spotted the two empties in the truck. And he refused the breathalyser test, because he believes them to be inaccurate, insisting on a blood test. So he got busted. His boss had to bail him out, and he withdrew and used every last penny in his bank account to pay his lawyer. Moreover, the week before, he'd quarreled with his girlfriend, who threw him out, so he was living in a hotel on the expressway that has an evil reputation. It--or one of its rooms--was featured in our local free rag as the venue of a meth lab.

So he said he'd knock $200 off his original quote if I'd give him enough money so he could feed his truck and pay his hotel bill and eat and stuff. I found myself agreeing to give him $500, because I know from personal experience how fast $200 melts away when it's all you've got in the world. Except that he asked me to make the check out to a friend, because he didn't have a bank account, because he'd closed out his and couldn't open a new one until he had his ID back--he was driving on a hardship permit so that he could do his job. He thanked me profusely, and I went back to my work, feeling exactly like a woman who's let a man fast-talk her into doing something against her better judgment, and which, for all she knows, could land her ass in trouble.

I left the check under a paint can on my back porch the next morning, and for the next few hours I had daymares about the friend taking the check, cashing it, and lighting out for Ybor City or wherever people light out for in this part of the world, when they've absquatulated with someone else's money. But evidently his friend had proved true, because we spoke later in the day, and he seemed considerably happier, and he's promised to bring at least two other guys and get my house finished this coming weekend.

In the meantime, the weather has been foul, and I'm really starting to wonder if this will get done by Christmas. I'd wanted to put up lights. I'd even had an electrician come out an install a receptacle in the front of the house--which should have been installed when it was built--but I can hardly do this before the siding's all done, now can I?

Feh.

Welcome to the wonderful world of home repairs in Florida.

I sincerely hope this joker and his buddies show up as scheduled.

I'd keep some buckets and pails handy just in case.

Sounds like my storm panel installation job this summer.

1 contract, 6 crews, 3 false starts, 2 month wait for 'supplies', 1 partial redo of the original work and viola', 4 months later, they're done.

I'm glad we didn't have any hurricanes this year.

Good luck to you.

Peace.
 
smy3th said:
You want to get the receptacle installed BEFORE the siding, so the electrician doesn't have to cut into the siding to do his work.

The receptacle has been installed already. When the siding goes up, the siding guy will cut the siding to go around it. I've already seen how they get the siding to go around the cables and stuff that come out of the house. It's really impressive, what precise, delicate cuts one can make with a circular saw, if you know how.

Heh. They'll have to run to Ybor City of Miami, then--I am in Jacksonville. I don't have any reservations about the quality of the man's work. I don't even mind that my siding gets trumped by other people's roofs--he warned that this would happen. I just didn't expect that his personal problems would impinge upon my life, is all. But why not? This job has gone on so long, we've practically become friends. Anyway, there but for the grace of God go I. Thursday night, we went to my company party, where we soaked up a lot of Merlot, and ended up driving home with a cup of Merlot between us in the car. I told my husband, "Hey, it ain't the 70's no more..." This dude just got unlucky. I don't see how they can prove him drunk on just one beer, but they've got him dead to shit on the open container.

I'm pretty sure he'll come this weekend and make things whole. Anyway, whatever happens, his toolbox is still in my back yard, and I've got an extra combination lock. :devil:
 
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Hey, I think I'm in the same soap opera! My guys were supposed to building a garage for me. The first day 3 trucks showed up at 7:00 am in the rain, 1 guy per truck with motors running and wipers flapping. At 9:00 am when I tried to get down the driveway, they were still there and I had to drive through the yard to get down the driveway. All 3 trucks followed me down and I didn't see them again for 2 days.

The 3rd day, still raining, but now there's 5 trucks in the way. When I left at 9, they were just getting out of their trucks. They were gone when I came back after 12, but there were some poles sticking out of the site so I guess they finally got out of their trucks. There were also piles of siding, lumber, and trusses where they told us to park the cars so we wouldn't disturb their work site.

We think the garage is finished now. Their trucks haven't appeared in about a week. The building is up. However, there is a huge pile (about the same size and shape of one of those trucks) of rubbish inside the garage, blocking both sections, so our cars are still out in the cold. At least we can park in the driveway again which is where we were parking before all this started.
 
In our case, we had two dump trailers in the side yard. They had to do some extensive bushhogging around our house before they could begin--we had some trees and bushes that had kind of taken over. So one trailer held mostly branches and the other one held shingles that had been thrown down from the roof. Recently, the two trailers went away. I am assuming that one of them will come back to collect the rest of the junk.

So your contractors need to come back and take away the debris they created. I regard the trailers as a vast improvement over what we were originally going to get, which was a dumpster in our driveway.
 
It's supposed to be over 60 degrees on Saturday. We're going to go out and salvage the "good stuff" (sheets of insulation board, planks and large pieces of siding, etc.) and then call the company and complain about the mess.
 
Cue theme from Days of Our Lives on steel guitar...

The redneck soap opera continues...the siding guy said he was going to be here bright and early in the morning. Well, it's bright but not particularly early, and he's not there yet. Around 8:30ish I started to call him, and in the midst of that, my phone rang, but it was the "Holiday" ring and not the dah-dah-DEE-dah I get from his number, but it was him, and he'd left his phone in someone else's car. Just as well--I had been about to leave a snarky message in his voice mail. He said that two of his guys were supposed to be there, and to tell them not to go away, he'd be there shortly. Just now I called the number he'd called from, and again he called while I was calling. He said the other guy had sworn he remembered where my house is, and he and the guy he'd gone to pick up were on their way.

Well, later on in the morning, he came around to explain why he hadn't been there earlier:
  1. He left his cell phone in his friend's car, and he has no idea where said friend could possibly be.
  2. His cell phone has all his helpers' numbers in it. Like many of us, he no longer remembers very many phone numbers...
  3. ...including the guy who was supposed to meet him here this morning, who has his other ladder, which is absolutely necessary if they're going to get their scaffold up,
  4. without which he can't finish the end of the building or anything else.
  5. Oh, and this doesn't have anything to do with my house, or it shouldn't, but on top of everything else, he's having problems with his girlfriend: she's told him to pop the question or pop out.

I said I had a feeling like everything was going south, and he apologized all over the place and generally abased himelf, and swore that nothing was going south and that he would get my house finished. I listened to all this with a sense of having Gone Through Something Like This Before, except not in the context of having a house renovated, and then he got in his truck and went off to try and run down his phone.

And then, a little while ago, he called again to tell me he'd gotten into a wreck in front of the Circuit City, and also that he didn't have any money again. Feeling like George Bush would have felt watching Iraq come unraveled if he'd had a lick of sense, I got a bit of money out of the ATM and beat my way through the hideous Regency traffic and went down to the scene. Pointing out that my husband didn't know about the previous remittance let alone this one, I delivered myself of a few home truths:

  1. One of the reasons I'd gotten married was so I wouldn't have my head messed with and my life complicated by every man with pretty eyes and a series of improbable stories;
  2. He was probably too proud to turn to his father for help, but the old man had a hell of a lot more money than I did, and
  3. It was time to call the Cavalry. Sometimes a man's just got to bite the bullet and do what he has to do.

Just as I was turning right to get onto my street, I saw a black truck with ladders on it fixing to turn left to get out of my street. It was the guy he'd been expecting to show up to this job earlier, whose phone number he didn't know. I rolled down my window and told him to come back to the house, I had to talk to him.

He did, and then I caught him up with the events of the morning, while he listened, doing an excellent Gary Cooper impression. Then he said that he was going to leave the essential other ladder with me, so P wouldn't have the excuse of not enough ladders to not resume work tomorrow, but he'd need it back Monday. Then he got it off the truck and laid it down in my back yard and left.

The emotions I am experiencing right now are just what I'd be feeling if I were watching myself being undertowed into an affair that I knew damn good and well was going to waste my time, break my heart, and leave me with a medical condition.

I'll bet my church friends who are general contractors didn't have this problem when their house was being renovated. I mean, is this normal? I think I've probably made a mistake in helping him out, but on the other hand, I didn't want him to have to sleep in his truck. At this point, to get my house finished I'd pitch in myself, although the reason I hired the job done in the first place is that I'm too old to be climbing up ladders and scampering about on rooftops, even if I did help re-roof the house after Hurricane Carla. But I was 10, and my dad, who press-ganged me into the job, was not 40 yet.
 
Progress, I think

Sunday was the day this joker had said he was going to come around and work on my house, but he hadn't come when I took off for church, and he wasn't there when I came back, having stopped at Target on the way home to kill the remainder of the gift card I'd won at my company party. I got tired of pricking up my ears every time I heard men's voices or the sound of hammering of any kind. For some reason, there was something about the air that day that everything the neighbors did carried all over the street. Finally I decided that I was just going to leave the whole mess in God's hands and tune in tomorrow to see what happened next.

This afternoon it occurred to me that he might have ended up in jail again, so I went on the JSO website and did an inmate search. Since my search resulted in 0 results, I thought I'd call his cell again, just for the hell of it, and what do you know? He answered it. He explained that the wreck (which had occurred because he hadn't had his mind on his surroundings) had rattled him so much he'd gone home, downed a couple of sleeping pills and checked out for the rest of the weekend. Now he was ready to go at it again; he had his truck in the shop, was borrowing another truck from the company, and back at work, but he said the boss had given him Thursday and Friday off so he could complete my job. He couldn't get it done by Christmas, but he would get it done by the end of the year. I won't be able to put up lights this Christmas, but at least I'll have a freshly re-sided house in a beautiful color.

Darn. That means I'll have to do something with the yard.
 
Update: The building guy said the clean-up of the mess in the garage was our responsibility, but that he did have a place where we could dump the trash at his office complex. I'm sure he meant garbage bags in the dumpster out back, but guess who's going to get a pick-up load of rubbish in theparking lot in front of his door?
 
That's not right, Glynndah. At least that's not what my lot is doing. Our house was absolutely buried and fortressed in by overgrown trees and bushes, because we have been too poor to buy pruning equipment or a ladder, and they got busy and pruned everything down to a fare-thee-well. Indeed, I wonder if my ligustrum is ever going to recover. They're going to top my myrtle when they get around to doing the front of the house; I know it will recover because I had a couple of myrtles topped when I was in Louisiana, and although it's no longer regarded as good for myrtles to treat them this way, they recovered and were in better shape than before. My bunch had two big dump trailers in the side yard into which they put all the yard debris and all the shingles. They swept the back porch after they'd sided around it. The yard was perilous with roof tacks and they vacuumed them up, although roof tacks being what they are, I still wear my platform flipflops when I go out in the yard. The two trailers have gone away, and there's still stuff in the yard, but P absolutely promised that everything would get cleaned up when they were done, and considering what a good job they've done on the house and the roof so far, I believe him.

I said I bet that my church friends who are general contractors didn't have to put up with all this sturm und drang but actually, I was far wrong: they don't have to put up with it for just one job, like I am having to, but for every job, all the jobs they sub out. It is utterly commonplace for people to disappear, to not show up, or to be unable to do something because someone else they work with happens to have one of their pieces of equipment. Nothing ever gets done on schedule, and you know what? I'll bet it doesn't stay within budget, either. Although in my case I was assured that the $600 I lent him would come out of the balance of the job, plus the $200 he was going to knock off the original quote.

But I digress. Your contractors absolutely need to clean up behind themselves, and if they don't, if they make you haul their junk, you've got every right to dump it in front of the office door.
 
That's what I think to. When we had our house built, the site was always clean. We volunteered to clean up the place every night after they left to keep down the cost because we were paying them by the hour. We generally had about 15 minutes of sweeping up sawdust and taking the trash bag they'd been filling with their trash and throwing it into the trunk of our car.

I'm sure there's nothing in our contract about waste disposal being our responsibility. But since they are giving us a place to dump it....
 
This morning I received a call that several items I had ordered had finally come in. These were several pieces of roof edging and eight anchors.

I was informed when I picked the up this afternoon that I had to have a county building permit to use them. When I asked what it would take to get the permits I was informed that I had to have at least a contractors liscence to get a permit.

Hah.

I'll put these things in place and see what the county has to say.

One of my neighbors got a contractor in to put up new edging on her roof. That was six months ago. The job still isn't done, and the work he has one is so shitty I wouldn't wish it on my inlaws.

I'll put in the anchors. (They aren't the primary anchors so the county really can't say anything.) I'll put up the edging and wait for the contractors to scream that I did my own work.

In my county you have to have a permit to do any work on your house, irregardless of if it is structural or not. The stated reason behind this is so people are not screwed by unliscenced contractors coming in and doing sub standard work. The real reason is so that the contractors have a gauranteed income. (This covers everything from replacing the shingles on your roof to replacing your cabinets and rugs.) It is so bad that you can't order things like anchors or flooring here without a permit. (I go north to another county.)

I can't wait to see who turns me in when i start doing the work on my walls. :rolleyes:

Cat
 
When we built our house 10 years ago, we didn't have a building permit or even a contract with the builder. He told us if his handshake wasn't good enough, he didn't want to be involved. We told the bank who our builders would be and that there was no contract. They gave us the money. The bank (however) did want a contract.
 
Redneck Soap's

Dont feel to bad about what's occuring in your neck of the woods at least you got a contractor to come look at your house ... I couldnt even get a contractor out to look at my house to replace the siding and I called 6 different companies .... ugh ... finally had to beg my father in law to come out an do the work that was absolutely necessary .... on another note before my husband left for the sandbox we got turned in for building our fence (a wooden one at that) for not having a permit .. ugh ... hehe .. cant imagine what they would have said had they realized that we replaced the sheet rock on the inside of the house along with installing a new garabage disposal and dishwasher without a permit ... but yes, usually garabage removal unless stated in the contract isnt part of the job (usually the contractor charges extra for that - got stuck with that when I had the roof replaced thanks to katrina) ....
 
Jeez! What county do y'all live in, that you can't put up drywall or even replace an appliance without you have a building permit? I want to avoid going there. I don't think we've got that in Duval County, because in my work I get to see all the NOCs (Notices of Commencement) and in a hell of a lot of them, the owner is listed as the contractor, and I can't think they're al pros, although Duval does seem to have more roofers than Carter has liver pills.

I'd hate to think what my dad would have said if such a regulation were in effect in Harris County (Texas). As long as I was coming up I don't remember him ever hiring anything done. When Hurricane Carla blew most of the shingles off our roof, we re-roofed the house ourselves. We went up on the roof and removed the rest of the shingles. It's amazing how many shingles there are on a 1300 square foot house, when it's all one story. The ones that had already blown off--during the height of the storm we could look out the window and see them flying down like sycamore leaves on a brisk fall day--formed an almost solid outline around the periphery of the house. We took all the tarpaper off and put on fresh tarpaper. At this time, the roof tack had not been invented; you secured the tarpaper with galvanized nails and these little steel disks, so that the tarpaper didn't tear away around the nailhead. I'm thinking the roof tack got developed maybe ten years after this. Paul, who I think is around 15 years younger than me, says there have always been roof tacks as long as he's been working. I have an idea that he must have started at the same age I was when I was involved in my family's project, which was 10, but for all I know he could have been younger. He says when school started, his classmates would brag on all the camps they'd been at, and then ask him what he did during the summer. He learned to shingle. As I look back over that winter, I realize that Paul's dad gave him a priceless gift: the benefit of vast years of experience and the means to earn money anywhere he is, as long as there are houses there. But of course I was not a redneck kid whose dad was in the roofing business himself (and made a pot of money thereby)--I was a genteelly raised suburban girl who thought it was eyewaterigly freezingasscold up there on the roof when the wind blew, and not only that, the shingles were ruining my hands. But I, too, learned how to shingle.

One thing I really do think my dad should have bitten the bullet and done, was to have someone haul away all the old shingles. As it was, they went into a pile in the back of the house that literally lasted for years, at its most magnificent around five feet high and covering an area at least 6 feet square at the base.

Of course, the City did not want to have anything to do with hauling away shingles, anybody's shingles. But we had to get rid of them. So, each garbage can that was put out on the curb had a layer of shingles in the bottom, and the garbage men didn't realize there were shingles until it was too late. Either that or they took pity on us and took the shingles anyway. As I mentioned, I was 10 when that pile got started. I think when I left home at the age of 19 to get married, the last of the shingles had finally been smuggled out.

Other projects my dad did around the house: putting up cherrywood paneling on the west living room wall, a stout shelving system made out of 2x4s for all the magazines he collected (that he was going to have bound up into books, except he never did) and a complete renovation of the main bathroom from the slab up. I didn't get involved in the paneling or the shelves--I think I must have been too little--but I was significantly involved in the bathroom project.

With regard to our present project, I'm happy to report that it's on again. My husband was off today, and he called to report that Paul and his crew were there, when I hadn't expected them until Thursday, and were busy with the house. When I got home, they'd left, but I could see they had taken the old siding off the front of the house (they'd left it on in the back and end of the building because, I was told, the old siding had a greater R value than insulation). They did put insulation on the front of the house. I realized, to my dismay, that they had been also been up to remove the siding from the upper story in front, thereby having a view of the inside of the bedroom if they chose--had I known they were going to be up there I'd have drawn the curtain, and I'll certainly draw it tomorrow. But it's no secret that I'm no housekeeper.

I don't have a blog, but I'm thinking that I probably should have blogged this.
 
More progress! I came home to find most of the front of the lower story of the house sided. The temporary table is now at the head of the driveway, with Hardie planks on it. I took several pictures of it. I've been taking pictures of the whole work in progress, from the before pictures to the during pictures to the beginning of the after pictures.

Paul had called and said he was going to need another draw to pay his crew, because they're working on Saturday and Sunday, something it's very hard to get contractors to do right before Christmas. This job is nearing the end, I've just about got it paid for. He said he was going to give me back the other money in cash and I could stick it back in the bank or whatever. He respected that I didn't want to tell my husband about it, at least not right away--I probably will tell him when the whole adventure's over. It's like when I didn't tell him for a long time about the time I was trying to drive and de-ice my windshield at the same time and ran my car up onto a lane divider and high-centered it. I don't know what I'd've done had not this lovely, sweet, wonderful Navy guy in a red jeep come along. He had me and Henry wait in the jeep, where it was warm, while he manouevered my car off the divider. He must have lived off base; he raised free-range chickens and sold the organic eggs as a sideline. The back of his jeep was stacked with flats of eggs. I wanted to contact his CO and tell him what a good man this was, but he has a very common last name and I never could figure out how to trace him. I hadn't told my husband about it because I was embarrassed. ("I should think you would be," was what he said.)

Later in the evening, my family and I went to the mall to do a little shopping. Henry had something wrong with his iPod and he wanted to go to the Apple store to see if they could look at it. Turned out one has to make an appointment. I think the thing just needs to be reset, is all, but he'd mislaid his UBS cable. We ended up buying another one at Radio Shack.

Just before I went upstairs for the night, I backed out the screws that attached the doorknocker to the door. This knocker has been a sore point with me for the last 6 years--it has the name of the original owner of the house, and hitherto, we'd talked about replacing it but always ended up doing something else with our money. Sometimes I'd put an address label with our name on it over the engraved name that wasn't ours, but of course, this eventually fell off and had to be replaced. But I'd ordered one from Lillian Vernon with our name on it, and it's in its box on top the chiffarobe waiting to be installed when the front door is painted. Since I didn't know when this would be, I thought it as well to be prepared. It gave me great satisfaction to hear the old knocker fall to the concrete outside with a clang.
 
This time it's the weather

...which has been atrocious, drizzly and rainy all weekend. Plus, I kind of doubted he'd be able to get those two guys to work the weekend before Christmas.

So here I am with the house about 3/4, or 4/5 sided and another temporary table set up at the head of my driveway. On top of that, yesterday I looked out my window and saw a strange truck in the cul-de-sac, and I thought, oh, good, my crew's come out after all. But no, it was my neighbor across the cul-de-sac, who'd come over to diss our work. And now my husband is muttering, "I knew we should have waited" and peering darkly at the siding on other people's houses as we drive up the street. I'd had no idea the neighbor was in the bidness himself, and I told my husband he should consider the source: was he really going to come on all complimentary about the work of someone he was in competition with? I have no idea if he knows what he's talking about. Hopefully this weather will break and my friend/siding guy/whateverthehell he is will come around and enlighten me.
 
SlickTony said:
...which has been atrocious, drizzly and rainy all weekend. Plus, I kind of doubted he'd be able to get those two guys to work the weekend before Christmas.

So here I am with the house about 3/4, or 4/5 sided and another temporary table set up at the head of my driveway. On top of that, yesterday I looked out my window and saw a strange truck in the cul-de-sac, and I thought, oh, good, my crew's come out after all. But no, it was my neighbor across the cul-de-sac, who'd come over to diss our work. And now my husband is muttering, "I knew we should have waited" and peering darkly at the siding on other people's houses as we drive up the street. I'd had no idea the neighbor was in the bidness himself, and I told my husband he should consider the source: was he really going to come on all complimentary about the work of someone he was in competition with? I have no idea if he knows what he's talking about. Hopefully this weather will break and my friend/siding guy/whateverthehell he is will come around and enlighten me.

Okay, you live SOMEWHERE nearby, lol, and dammit, why don't we all get together for a weekend this summer and trade horror stories about building? We'll throw the kids in the pool, grill out and giggle- you and my mom could compete for contractor hell awards, lol. She got a call today saying that her guy fell off a lawnmower and won' be coming in for two more weeks.
 
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