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Hypoxia

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I'm cooking-up a story idea involving engines circa 1908. Yes, there's lots of sex too. But reading of engines of 1908 is eye-opening.

The world's fastest car in 1908 was a Stanley Steamer using an off-the-shelf steam piston engine. You know that most of the world's power is produced by steam engines, right? All those nuke and fossil-fuel generating plants, they're steam turbines. Anyway, for vehicles, steam was king in 1908, and dead by 1911, same as electric, because cheap gasoline and Ford.

Mobile 1908 gasoline engines ranged from little motorcycle pushers of around 255cc / 15 cubic inches delivering a few horsepower, up to racing monsters of 15 liters / 910 ci giving 100 hp. In comparison, a new Mercedes racing engine is 1.5l / 91 ci with 800 hp. One-tenth the cubic, eight times the power, FTW!

Diesel engines were fairly bulky, not like today's wee optimized turbo-diesels. Submarines were just morphing from petrol to diesel because less explosive. Steam locomotives wouldn't succumb to diesel for two generations. But the British battleship Dreadnought's oil-fired turbines forces all navies to five up coal steamers from then on. (Then nations started fighting over oilfields, leading to OPEC and ISIS, et al, but that's another issue.)

Engines are fun. I look forward to new steam-turbine mills knocking electric out of the picture, right. Or maybe we'll have artificial-life rodents running in superconducting hamster wheels. Or mini-fusion reactors to jet us along.

What's your favorite engine?
 
Ford 428 FE side-oiler. I'd gladly take a 426 Hemi.

I don't think it was ever really developed to its potential but the 427 Ford cammer would have improved American engine development by a full generation of NASCAR had not outlawed it.

I like B series Honda Engines, but I was reflecting on what an elegant engineering marvel the ubiquitous Honda D16 is. In stock form, the ZC single overhead cam V-tec version puts out a 135 horsepower it's not hard at all to get that to 150 and you can get 35 miles to the gallon out of it on premium gas.
 
Solar (unless nuclear can work cleanly) is the most logical, as there's a massive fireball really close to us you know? Sure, it might not be great for deep space but.. If you're smart enough to get to deep space, wouldn't you be smart enough to not run out of batteries too?
 
Good call on the Wankel.

Those would have had even more potential if it wasn't for their tendency to pollute. Some set screws in the pressed center insert and I have seen a 12B wind to 10,000 rpms while sucking all the air a Holly double-pumper could flow.
 
Que said:
Good call on the Wankel.

Those would have had even more potential if it wasn't for their tendency to pollute. Some set screws in the pressed center insert and I have seen a 12B wind to 10,000 rpms while sucking all the air a Holly double-pumper could flow.
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Torque through the roof! Fuel gauge needle through the floor..
ahh the bitter sweet paradox of engineering physics.
Suck,squeeze,bang,blow.....Fuck friction.
 
First 4WD? It was electric!

"...in Britain, the remarkable Toujours Contente built by the Luten firm of E.W.Hart in 1900. Capable of 50 mph, it had a Lohner-Porsche [electric] motor in each hub, making it probably the world's first four-wheel-drive car."
--Burgess Wise, VETERAN AND VINTAGE CARS

That's more reliable than a hamster-wheel in each hub.
 
427 z11. Well, in theory, of course. Knowing it's one of those things I've never touched and will never have probably adds to it. I did really like my 327 on my 67 camaro. I have odd tastes though.
 
Hypoxia said:
"...in Britain, the remarkable Toujours Contente built by the Luten firm of E.W.Hart in 1900. Capable of 50 mph, it had a Lohner-Porsche [electric] motor in each hub, making it probably the world's first four-wheel-drive car."
--Burgess Wise, VETERAN AND VINTAGE CARS

That's more reliable than a hamster-wheel in each hub.
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I was in the pits at the Pikes Peak Hill Climb in 2013. An electric car was being prepped with dry ice for the run. The dry ice cooled the batteries and components. The thing flew out off the starting line like a rocket.

A special warning system was developed by the race to keep people off the track while the electrics were coming up the hill. After a day of loud combustion engines the silent electrics would catch spectators off guard.
 
Honda B series VTEC engines, 100+ hp/L in 1989!!!!

And still competitive today nearly 30 years later on the street against cars with literally 100x the price tag and milage.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0135/4662/products/gato3_530x@2x.jpg?v=1328737332

It is an engineering masterpiece.

Also good call on the rotary...always be a favorite.

I still think about getting another FD.

https://automodia.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/fd.jpg

So sexy....and a 20B with a full bridge port will lope harder than any cam you can put in a big block.
 
Favorite engine

Hypoxia said:
I'm cooking-up a story idea involving engines circa 1908. Yes, there's lots of sex too. But reading of engines of 1908 is eye-opening.

The world's fastest car in 1908 was a Stanley Steamer using an off-the-shelf steam piston engine. You know that most of the world's power is produced by steam engines, right? All those nuke and fossil-fuel generating plants, they're steam turbines. Anyway, for vehicles, steam was king in 1908, and dead by 1911, same as electric, because cheap gasoline and Ford.

Mobile 1908 gasoline engines ranged from little motorcycle pushers of around 255cc / 15 cubic inches delivering a few horsepower, up to racing monsters of 15 liters / 910 ci giving 100 hp. In comparison, a new Mercedes racing engine is 1.5l / 91 ci with 800 hp. One-tenth the cubic, eight times the power, FTW!

Diesel engines were fairly bulky, not like today's wee optimized turbo-diesels. Submarines were just morphing from petrol to diesel because less explosive. Steam locomotives wouldn't succumb to diesel for two generations. But the British battleship Dreadnought's oil-fired turbines forces all navies to five up coal steamers from then on. (Then nations started fighting over oilfields, leading to OPEC and ISIS, et al, but that's another issue.)

Engines are fun. I look forward to new steam-turbine mills knocking electric out of the picture, right. Or maybe we'll have artificial-life rodents running in superconducting hamster wheels. Or mini-fusion reactors to jet us along.

What's your favorite engine?
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Yanmar 2GM20F. Nice little efficient sailboat engine. Runs forever on very little diesel, though does not real get me hard at all. What gets you going?
 
Matthew Craig said:
Solar (unless nuclear can work cleanly) is the most logical, as there's a massive fireball really close to us you know? Sure, it might not be great for deep space but.. If you're smart enough to get to deep space, wouldn't you be smart enough to not run out of batteries too?
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Develop a massless battery......no problem.

SelfTawt said:
Wankel Rotory.
Diesel 'mono's'.
V-twin.
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I remember those in snowmachines in the 70's. Fuckers would be sporting a cherry red exhaust pipe.

Saint Peter said:
http://img.auto.cz/news/img/galleries/2015-46/hocrz23_5645e33d23642.jpg
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What the fuck is that?
 
richard_daily said:
Hydrogen powered.
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By the time we have technology sufficient to contain hydrogen for energy, we won't need it. Big problem with H2 is that the molecules are SMALL. They leak through EVERYTHING we have! With current tech we need a BIG HEAVY container to carry a LITTLE ULTRALIGHT gas that leaks frantically. H2 can be used if consumed immediately after it's generated, which takes more energy than is released. H2 isn't a fuel -- it's an inefficient storage medium, worse than old NiCad rechargeable batteries.

How can H2 work? We need to able to keep it from leaking. Ain't gonna happen physically -- we need force fields to contain the universe's smallest molecules. And if we can make those force fields, we'll be running fusion, not burning H2.

Like growing food crops for biodiesel, mobile H2 power is a scam.
 
Most electricity is still generated by STEAM turbines.

Whether the power station is fuelled by oil, gas, coal or nuclear, it is a steam turbine that converts the generated heat into electricity.
 
Hypoxia said:
By the time we have technology sufficient to contain hydrogen for energy, we won't need it. Big problem with H2 is that the molecules are SMALL. They leak through EVERYTHING we have! With current tech we need a BIG HEAVY container to carry a LITTLE ULTRALIGHT gas that leaks frantically. H2 can be used if consumed immediately after it's generated, which takes more energy than is released. H2 isn't a fuel -- it's an inefficient storage medium, worse than old NiCad rechargeable batteries.

How can H2 work? We need to able to keep it from leaking. Ain't gonna happen physically -- we need force fields to contain the universe's smallest molecules. And if we can make those force fields, we'll be running fusion, not burning H2.

Like growing food crops for biodiesel, mobile H2 power is a scam.
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Hydrogen is very flammable and even small amounts can produce a big fire. The tanks used in cars are not small and normally sit under the back seat of the prototypes.

I call shotgun.
 
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