It's not exactly underage, but ...

[ElouisaHardy]

Hi everyone, I'm so pleased to have found you!

I'm writing a story and the narrator has a flash back to when she was 15, and she had her first sexual feelings. Is that allowed to be in my story, given the guidelines?

Thank you!

Elouisa

 

[tnhardon]

Hi everyone, I'm so pleased to have found you!

I'm writing a story and the narrator has a flash back to when she was 15, and she had her first sexual feelings. Is that allowed to be in my story, given the guidelines?

Thank you!

Elouisa

I'm not sure since it is about her feelings. I would be willing to bet that it isn't allowed because they are really tight on the age limit thing on here. I forgot about it in one of the stories I wrote and had to go back and edit the age out to get it approved.

I'm not sure how old your character is in the present, but you might be able to get away with satin "when she was younger" and then describe that scenario. That prevents the direct implication she is under age. Again, you have to tread lightly if you are going to get anywhere near that line.

 

[EquinoxRising]

No, it won't be allowed. Memories of sexuality under the age of 18 is against the rules.

 

[FantasyXY]

Try writing the flashback but don't mention the age at which it happened. I've read plenty of stories where this has worked.

 

[ChloeTzang]

No, it won't be allowed. Memories of sexuality under the age of 18 is against the rules.

Correct. I had a story rejected for that. Just stay away from any reference, direct or indirect, to under 18. Those be the rules. No exceptions permitted and no point in trying to skirt them.

 

[NotWise]

Hi everyone, I'm so pleased to have found you!

I'm writing a story and the narrator has a flash back to when she was 15, and she had her first sexual feelings. Is that allowed to be in my story, given the guidelines?

Thank you!

Elouisa

Welcome to AH.

Whether or not that's allowed depends on how it's written. You can't describe any sexual act involving the 15-year old, but you can say that it happened. That is a fine line.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

On 18

[stock reply, skip if you’ve seen it]

This is a privately owned site. All of Literotica is moderated by a single person, who goes by Laurel. She makes her livelihood from it and is an owner. All that gives her the unquestionable and unlimited right to set rules, and reject or subsequently delete any story, forum post or comment she thinks isn't in the site's best interest. She and she alone gets to decide what that means.

One of the biggest surprises people get on coming here as a writer, is the "18" rule. As the rule is written, no character in a story can be under 18 if they are exposed to sexual situations of any sort.

You are not the first person to ask about this rule. You probably aren't the first person in the last 30 days, which is why some replies you get from other authors may seem grumpy. We see these questions a lot.

The 18 rule, like everything else here, is interpreted and applied by Laurel, and she takes a conservative stance with this one - if she thinks a story is going to encourage people to think about sex with people under 18, she'll generally reject it. That means that it's not enough to state your character is 18+. He or she has to act 18+ as well. In Laurel's opinion, not yours.

Note that this rule isn't in place because of any existing laws. (There are few if any countries where a written story describing sex between seventeen years olds is illegal.) The argument "but the law says it's legal!" is meaningless here. This is Laurel's site, it’s her personal property, and she's not required to accept stories just because the law doesn't forbid them. This is not a free speech issue because private properties (like Literotica) are not required to honor anyone’s free speech laws. (The internet in general is not a haven for free speech - someone owns those servers you are using, whatever site you go to, and that gives them the right to filter content they don't like. The rules are just more pronounced here than you may be used to.)

Note that the rule has nothing to do with pedophilia. Pedophilia is an interest in pre-pubescent children, formally defined as age 12 and younger. The under 18 rule is in response to different concerns - but it should be trivially apparent that an actual pedophilia story is beyond unacceptable here. Don’t even attempt to post one.

Evidence suggests Laurel is firm, but reasonably even-handed, in implementing her interpretation of her "18" rule. If you're here because the story was rejected, you probably weren't singled out and you're definitely not alone. Rewrite your story until it passes muster. Or take it to a site without such rules. Those are your only options.

Because the interpretation of the rule is not negotiable, it’s important to write carefully in certain settings:

1. Characters in High school. Some authors here feel strongly that any mention of high school is an attempt to imply to the readership that your "18 year old" is really younger, in short that you're speaking in a kind of code and attempting to get people to think about underage characters. Be careful to be very clear about ages in these stories. Some high school seniors are 18 by graduation. Leave those sophomores alone.

2. Characters described as having physical characteristics that sound more like 14 than 18. Slight breasts on someone just turned 18, a beard just starting to come in, excessively juvenile behavior - all these are going to look to many people like you're attempting to sneak an underage character in, and are very likely to get a story rejected.

3. Historical setting for stories. Romeo and Juliet is probably not what you'd consider racy filth; but Juliet lost her virginity at fourteen. That story would certainly be rejected here. It has a fine moral message, it was startling but not shocking when it was written, and it's clearly a well crafted story, but none of that matters. All that matters is by Laurel’s rules, it’s an underage story.

4. Incest stories. In the real world, incest is almost always tied to underage sexuality and is abusive by definition. Despite the fact that the site has an Incest category, stories in that category should never depict incest as it most commonly occurs in the real world.

5. Fantasy stories. The story “The Time Machine” by H. G. Wells had Eloi, a race of innocents; a fanfic based on it with any sexual content would likely be rejected here. I had a story about a 6,000 year old succubus (i.e., not underage and not human) rejected because in human form, she didn’t sound convincingly 18 to Laurel. Don’t assume you’re on safe ground with human-like species or alien cultures.

6. First time stories. Statistically speaking, in the US at least, you probably lost your virginity at an age younger than 18. (That is, just over 50% of men and women in the US who are sexually active, lost their virginity at 17 or earlier, as of 2010). If you write your first time account here, you must write it so all characters involved are explicitly past their 18th birthday.


7. Recollections. A character can mention a sexual encounter before age 18, but not dwell on it or describe it. “I lost my virginity at 16. Bob was… persuasive. But I’ve learned to value myself a little more.” isn’t likely to be a problem. “I lost my virginity at 16, and, um… wow. Bob was just so kind and amazing.” is at best problematic. Anything more explicit will not pass muster. You may be able to work around this by leaving out ages.

When in doubt, check with Laurel first, via a Private Message (PM).

Please note that occasionally an underage story gets past Laurel, and gets posted. If you see one, report it using the [!] reporting mechanism at the bottom of most pages. Finding such stories doesn't give you permission to write under 18. It gives you an obligation to report it, so people don't get confused about the rules.

Please do NOT respond to this post with complaints, Whys, What Ifs, etc.. This post has covered everything you need to understand. This topic is considered dead by all long-time members; it’s been examined from every possible angle; and Laurel has shown absolutely no inclination to soften her stance. Sincere questions can be sent directly to Laurel; the rest of us (whether or not we agree with the rule’s implementation) don’t want this topic argued here. You will be Ignored and perhaps Banned if you insist on talking about this.

Good luck, and welcome to Literotica.

 

[Hypoxia]

Whether or not that's allowed depends on how it's written. You can't describe any sexual act involving the 15-year old, but you can say that it happened. That is a fine line.

I phrase that as, underage sex can be reported but not described. You can say the youngster had sexual feelings or experiences but you can't say what they were.

One of my (probably overused) lines goes something like, "She had been a wild child; her first kids popped out when she was only 14." That way her now 18-year-old offspring can have a MILFy 32-year-old mom to play with.

The OP could write, "She thought back on the confusing waves of emotion and lust that had swept over her budding body," but don't go into ANY details.

 

[ElouisaHardy]

Thanks all

Thank you for your replies - I'll rewrite the section I'm concerned about and just say that she was younger. That's safest.